The Manchester United Thread

[Mike.]

In fairness, I asked Miguel Delaney about United and Guardiola, and reps have approached him. But City have been chasing him for 3 years.

 

[Alcaraz]

We probably had an idea and was talking to a few managers about taking over from LVG when he retires. Perhaps we even had someone lined up and had others say they can't wait 2 years (pep or ancelotti).

You can't just blame Woodward because he hasn't told every manager in the world "Hey you should manage Man Utd. Don't worry about when. Just promise us you'll manager Man Utd whenever we ask"

No one is asking them to stay unemployed for two years. The whole purpose is to cultivate a long-term relationship so that if those managed (Pep or Ancelloti) ever decide to leave their present clubs, you are front-runners for their signature if you throw your hat into the ring. Especially if you always known that LVG is a short-term option

It's like what City did. They probably don't want to sack Pelligerini but they are willing to do so if they can get Pep. That's the type of flexibility that putting in effort to construct a relationship gives you. You can either go with current manager if he is doing well or you can decide to let him leave so you can get your star man in

Executives at City did what Woodward should have done. I am just comparing his performance to that of his nearest rivals so I don't see where a this talk of me being so harsh comes along. Do you even think Mourinho would be in the conversation if you guys were confident of Pep like City are? Probably not as United would have taken morale high ground and claimed how values and traditions are more important. Now when they are getting desperate, they are more willing to overlook Jose's flaws which they so despised 3 years ago

Chelsea are the ones who will be ****** in managerial merry go round because we didn't bother making long term relationships with anyone as we though Jose was the man. Now Roman is forced to run around like a headless chicken to find someone good

 

[Alcaraz]

In fairness, I asked Miguel Delaney about United and Guardiola, and reps have approached him. But City have been chasing him for 3 years.

Roman apparently has offered him anything he wants to come coach next season. Made the same offer at least 2-3 times previously. Will be much harder for United even if they make serious last minute push

Should never have come to this juncture though. If they wanted, they could easily have been favourites with their stature and pedigree

 

[Puddz]

No one is asking them to stay unemployed for two years. The whole purpose is to cultivate a long-term relationship so that if those managed (Pep or Ancelloti) ever decide to leave their present clubs, you are front-runners for their signature if you throw your hat into the ring. Especially if you always known that LVG is a short-term option

It's like what City did. They probably don't want to sack Pelligerini but they are willing to do so if they can get Pep. That's the type of flexibility that putting in effort to construct a relationship gives you. You can either go with current manager if he is doing well or you can decide to let him leave so you can get your star man in

Executives at City did what Woodward should have done. I am just comparing his performance to that of his nearest rivals so I don't see where a this talk of me being so harsh comes along. Do you even think Mourinho would be in the conversation if you guys were confident of Pep like City are? Probably not as United would have taken morale high ground and claimed how values and traditions are more important. Now when they are getting desperate, they are more willing to overlook Jose's flaws which they so despised 3 years ago

Chelsea are the ones who will be ****** in managerial merry go round because we didn't bother making long term relationships with anyone as we though Jose was the man. Now Roman is forced to run around like a headless chicken to find someone good

Maybe we should have been more like City. Maybe we were and asked both Pep and Ancelotti about the possibility of them managing us. Maybe they both said that they wanted to do so sooner (End of this season) rather than later (end of next season). And since we thought LVG would get the results, we didn't think to sack him just to get one of the two.

 

[Alcaraz]

Maybe we should have been more like City. Maybe we were and asked both Pep and Ancelotti about the possibility of them managing us. Maybe they both said that they wanted to do so sooner (End of this season) rather than later (end of next season). And since we thought LVG would get the results, we didn't think to sack him just to get one of the two.

Lots of Maybe's in your post ... Point is that you let City get ahead of you in the race. And seriously, Roman would probably have sacked Mourinho in the summer if he could get Pep. Woody is a huge moron if he wanted to keep LVG if Pep was knocking on the door. If that is true, the board should sack him

 

[Alcaraz]

Also has anyone actually given serious consideration to the idea that maybe this isn't all LVG's fault. He has a 250k p/w striker for a captain who has forgotten to play football

Maybe it's time to back him with a proper striker signing in the January market rather than add to his pressure. I am pretty sure even Mourinho and his vodoo magic won't be able to revitalize Rooney anymore. Not like Jose worked any magic with Eto, Torres or Falcao

 

[Quasit]

Henry showed quite well the difference between Pep and LVG and whats wrong with Utd in MNF today.

 

[Mike.]

Neither Mangala or Otamendi are as good as Smalling. Worth remembering considering the outcry at the time.

 

[Mike.]

Also has anyone actually given serious consideration to the idea that maybe this isn't all LVG's fault. He has a 250k p/w striker for a captain who has forgotten to play football

Maybe it's time to back him with a proper striker signing in the January market rather than add to his pressure. I am pretty sure even Mourinho and his vodoo magic won't be able to revitalize Rooney anymore. Not like Jose worked any magic with Eto, Torres or Falcao

It is 90% his fault. He's had the full financial backing of the club, something Moyes never got.

 

[Legend Incredible]

Henry showed quite well the difference between Pep and LVG and whats wrong with Utd in MNF today.

What did henry say...pls fill me on cos i didn't see it

 

[Legend Incredible]

Neither Mangala or Otamendi are as good as Smalling. Worth remembering considering the outcry at the time.

Was that really in doubt?

 

[wkdsoul]

Not really, due to the fact Smalling wasnt being questioned, lack of an out and out CB to go with him was, once Evans left and Jones went down injured. Smallings been one of the standouts of the LVG era.

 

[Quasit]

What did henry say...pls fill me on cos i didn't see it

Hmm he explained the similarities of their approach, and that both want see structured approach from their teams on first two thirds of the pitch LVG wants players to follow his instructions on final third where as Pep allows freedom.

Went on to show how on Utd's last game Martial was clearly instructed to keep the width where there were many instances he should have made runs inside as one example.

 

[Legend Incredible]

Hmm he explained the similarities of their approach, and that both want see structured approach from their teams on first two thirds of the pitch LVG wants players to follow his instructions on final third where as Pep allows freedom.

Went on to show how on Utd's last game Martial was clearly instructed to keep the width where there were many instances he should have made runs inside as one example.

That's too obvious...it's like I say, his system is too rigid...it's even worse that we like to hog possession

This is why Memphis has struggled...it sys why di Maria has struggled

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[Tyton]

It is 90% his fault. He's had the full financial backing of the club, something Moyes never got.

Then again, which of his transfers flopped? I can't actually think of one. Bastian is great. Herrera, Shaw and Schneiderlin are all great, just can't stay healthy. Memphis and Martial are obviously for the future. Darmian is a wall. Rojo and Blind are solid versatile squad players, about what everybody expected of them.

The only misses are Valdes - free transfer, Falcao - loan, and Di Maria, who's wife probably forced him to leave after the robbery thing. That's a very solid record.

 

[Mike.]

Not really, due to the fact Smalling wasnt being questioned, lack of an out and out CB to go with him was, once Evans left and Jones went down injured. Smallings been one of the standouts of the LVG era.

Neither would be any use next to him, being my point as well.

 

[wkdsoul]

Neither would be any use next to him, being my point as well.

They'd both be fine in LVG's system. The ability is there, the fall down is Pelles logic in thinking role defines the style of play. there. all cbs must do what Kompany does, All strikers do what Aguero does, All Fb's do what zaba/kolarov does. Its high line and tight marking or nothing. Nastitic had the same issue, he's inflexible in changing the system to suit the players when injuries occur.

Both would be fine in LVG's set up.

 

[Tyton]

Hmm he explained the similarities of their approach, and that both want see structured approach from their teams on first two thirds of the pitch LVG wants players to follow his instructions on final third where as Pep allows freedom.

Went on to show how on Utd's last game Martial was clearly instructed to keep the width where there were many instances he should have made runs inside as one example.

So I went and I watched it and that whole part was weird. First Henry says that Martial being required to keep the width is too restrictive. Okay.

Then Henry explains how in Barca players there have a lot of freedom in the final 3rd. He goes through bunch of footage from Pep's Barca games, and gives several examples about how he was...required to keep the width. He also tells a story about how he was subbed at half time for roaming from his position. And then he keeps talking about how Pep gives players freedom.

WTF.

 

[Legend Incredible]

So I went and I watched it and that whole part was weird. First Henry says that Martial being required to keep the width is too restrictive. Okay.

Then Henry explains how in Barca players there have a lot of freedom in the final 3rd. He goes through bunch of footage from Pep's Barca games, and gives several examples about how he was...required to keep the width. He also tells a story about how he was subbed at half time for roaming from his position. And then he keeps talking about how Pep gives players freedom.

WTF.

Remember that "T" cone structure?...under pep, in midfield, a left winger isn't allowed to cross that line. You only cross it in the final third. Henry was busy linking up with Messi on the right but ignoring his position on the left

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[Quasit]

So I went and I watched it and that whole part was weird. First Henry says that Martial being required to keep the width is too restrictive. Okay.

Then Henry explains how in Barca players there have a lot of freedom in the final 3rd. He goes through bunch of footage from Pep's Barca games, and gives several examples about how he was...required to keep the width. He also tells a story about how he was subbed at half time for roaming from his position. And then he keeps talking about how Pep gives players freedom.

WTF.

He said as a default you are required to keep the width, but in final third if opportunity presents itself are encouraged to do as you see best.