The Manchester United Thread

[Mike.]

You're missing the point, I'm not saying we have to buy premier league proven players, but when you have a choice between two similar players and one is younger, dominated midfields all last season in the same league, it would be bizarre to choose the other who is in French League close to his 30s.

the other one is a better player and played a a higher level for longer.

 

[zzeezzy]

It could happen. But i think is too optimistic to expect that he reaches 34 without signifcant losses on the physical side of his game.
He would make immediate impact tho.

Mike does tend to over-expect on the age front, no way will we get 5 years out of him at his best, it will be 3 or 4 if we're very lucky.

Just like Schweinsteiger, when you buy a player at 29/30, it's always a risk how they will adapt, I'm sure Mike said we'd get 3/4 seasons out of Schweinsteiger at his best, so far we've had a season of injuries out of him pretty much. Schweinsteiger we will likely only get one or two seasons out of now if we're lucky, at any kind of good form. Wouldn't say we'll ever see the best Schweinsteiger in a United shirt.

 

[Theatre of dreams]

Matuidi > Kante simple!!

 

[ninjaskill]

Matudi won the French Player of the Year award ahead of the likes of Pogba, Benzema, Griezmann, Kante and a ton of other incredibly talented footballers if that isn't good enough then I don't know what is

 

[zzeezzy]

He's dominated for France in midfield. more so than Pogba ever has. He's not hyped up, he's actually well ahead of Kante, a player you laud. Which means you either have never watched enough of him, or don't really understand the argument you;re making. He's also better than Krychoiwak. As for where he fits: 4-3-3.

Not really, Matuidi has been on a bigger stage than Kante has before he came to the Premier League. Kante has had his first season at the top level competing in a team that was capable and look how well he done. It's only now France have taken notice of Kante, before when he was at Caen he never had a chance.

 

[Mike.]

Mike does tend to over-expect on the age front, no way will we get 5 years out of him at his best, it will be 3 or 4 if we're very lucky.

Just like Schweinsteiger, when you buy a player at 29/30, it's always a risk how they will adapt, I'm sure Mike said we'd get 3/4 seasons out of Schweinsteiger at his best, so far we've had a season of injuries out of him pretty much. Schweinsteiger we will likely only get one or two seasons out of now if we're lucky, at any kind of good form. Wouldn't say we'll ever see the best Schweinsteiger in a United shirt.

Over expect? Carrick hasnt retired, and Bastain despite having one knee, asrolled off the bench each time and been great for Germany. He played over 100 minutes against italy. Only mistake was a pen.

And 3 or 4 years is more than enough. We've got TFM behind him.

Find a better argument to make. Because this one has more holes than a sieve

I said we'd get 3 seasons from Bastian. Which I expect we will.

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

If it helps zz, I had a conversation on Matudi with a French friend the back end of last week when we got linked to Newcastle's Sissoko and the PSG man came up in comparison. His thoughts on him:

Blaise is a normal guy who raised his game through discipline. He touched his technical limits, he's a fighter who will do the dirty work. Barton said he's a juggling clown with plates, you're just waiting for him to drop them, but somehow, he always manages to keep up. He contradicts the laws of motion.

He lacks tactical vision and sometimes he has problems to raise his game vs the strongest competition. Maybe because he had only one great coach (Ancelotti) to learn from and only for a year.
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[Mike.]

Not really, Matuidi has been on a bigger stage than Kante has before he came to the Premier League. Kante has had his first season at the top level competing in a team that was capable to compete and look how well he done. It's only now France have taken notice of Kante, before when he was at Caen he never had a chance.

So literally like I said Matuidi has dominated on the bigger stage for better and longer. Try again.

 

[Mike.]

If it helps zz, I had a conversation on Matudi with a French friend the back end of last week when we got linked to Newcastle's Sissoko and the PSG man came up in comparison. His thoughts on him:

Blaise is a normal guy who raised his game through discipline. He touched his technical limits, he's a fighter who will do the dirty work. Barton said he's a juggling clown with plates, you're just waiting for him to drop them, but somehow, he always manages to keep up. He contradicts the laws of motion.

He lacks tactical vision and sometimes he has problems to raise his game vs the strongest competition. Maybe because he had only one great coach (Ancelotti) to learn from and only for a year.






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The tatical vision part is incorrect. Watch him vs Chelsea, even when down to 10 men. out thought them each time.

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

The tatical vision part is incorrect. Watch him vs Chelsea, even when down to 10 men. out thought them each time.

Dunno' to be perfectly honest. Honestly never really sat down and looked at him. Taking you all on face value and just giving another opinion I've had.

 

[Mike.]

Dunno' to be perfectly honest. Honestly never really sat down and looked at him. Taking you all on face value and just giving another opinion I've had.

When he was coming through, definitely. It's now his strongest part of the game. And I think that could be even better under Jose. It's why I want us to keep Schneiderlin. They are both intelligent mids. IF we are after him, we are going 4-3-3, and that is the end of Mata.

That or we are about to offload more than one CM, potentially 3

 

[zzeezzy]

So literally like I said Matuidi has dominated on the bigger stage for better and longer. Try again.

Dominated what exactly? A national team that has underperformed? Or are we just talking about the French league with the best team by far where he is in a midfield consisting of players like Veratti/Pastore and other star players.

Kante at the first chance in a good team has dominated a better league, with better opposition, doing it with Drinkwater. Kante was a stand out reason why Leicester won the title and Matuidi as a player isn't better. His experience and reputation is.

 

[Theatre of dreams]

So if Mkytarian is having his medical now if what Di Marzio says is correct will it be announced tonight? I would assume so being tomorrow is Mourinho day.

 

[Theatre of dreams]

Can't believe we're actually discussing who is better out of Matuidi and Kante :O

 

[ninjaskill]

Dominated what exactly? A national team that has underperformed? Or are we just talking about the French league with the best team by far where he is in a midfield consisting of players like Veratti/Pastore and other star players.

Kante at the first chance in a good team has dominated a better league, with better opposition, doing it with Drinkwater. Kante was a stand out reason why Leicester won the title and Matuidi as a player isn't better. His experience and reputation is.

How many times have you watched Matuidi?

 

[Mike.]

Dominated what exactly? A national team that has underperformed? Or are we just talking about the French league where he is in a midfield consisting of players like Veratti/Pastore and other star players.

Kante has dominated a better league, with better opposition, doing it with Drinkwater. Kante was a stand out reason why Leicester won the title and Matuidi as a player isn't better. His experience and reputation is.

France havent underperformed, and they are currently on their way to the semi's with him as the lynchpin. Enjoy you ignoring the CL.

Matuidi as a player is better. You've basically just used the prem as a reason, without once mentioning how that play. Matuidi reads the game better, is tactically active (he actually shepherds Kante under France, and marshalls the midfield, hes far technically adept, not just a runner, but carries from midfield, rarely loses the ball. Can play across the midifield and in any role. He's so adept he can play on the WING, and deliver cross after accurate cross. He's in effect a midfield general.

 

[Mike.]

How many times have you watched Matuidi?

Rarely, judging by his complete lack of knowledge on him.

 

[Mike.]

For what it's worth I think Kante is very very good. But he's simple not on matuidi's level tactically, as a leader or as versatile, or experienced at the very top.

If Pogba is the raw top talent, Matuidi is the midfield boss.

 

[Mike.]

Where Kante excels is right behind that midfield, and in that regard he's as good as Schneiderlin, arguably better, if not technically as adept. If there is any argument for Kante its between those two.

 

[zzeezzy]

France havent underperformed, and they are currently on their way to the semi's with him as the lynchpin. Enjoy you ignoring the CL.

Matuidi as a player is better. You've basically just used the prem as a reason, without once mentioning how that play. Matuidi reads the game better, is tactically active (he actually shepherds Kante under France, and marshalls the midfield, hes far technically adept, not just a runner, but carries from midfield, rarely loses the ball. Can play across the midifield and in any role. He's so adept he can play on the WING, and deliver cross after accurate cross. He's in effect a midfield general.

Doesn't this just sum up what I said originally, jack of all trades king of nothing player. He's not the king of everything like you seem to think because he isn't a great at anything. He's just a good, solid, flexible midfielder. Not one I think we need or a reason why I'd want him now. Kante is the better option, we can argue all night, you obviously think Matuidi is a great player who would boss PL in our midfield, I have doubts why we even need a midfielder like him when we already have Schneiderlin and a wealth of other options.