The Manchester United Thread

No matter who we are interested in, the price goes up £20 straight away so we are always going to pay over the odds. With all the money in the league now, Premier League clubs are going to pay over the odds for everyone. Thats just the way it is now.

As for Perisic, Yes he's 28 and £35-50m is a lot of money but thats simply the going rate now because of the market, If 20-24 year olds are going for £40-80m then you have to expect that. Then also you have the "Premier League Premium" added on by clubs as well.

Looking at what he's actually going to offer the team, I dont see it as a bad deal at all. He can play as a genuine winger on the left. Something we are lacking. Were actually even lacking a genuine winger on the right also so it offers the team something else. We have too many players looking to cut inside, or basically too many number 10's being shifted out wide. He's experienced Internationally, offers goals and assists, good work rate, and tall which Jose will like especially defensively.

As for Martial, ive had enough personally. He doesnt seem interested at all. As ive said with the other wide players, he does the same thing over and over and over. Just cuts inside and run's into trouble. Just going off this season, he may as well have had a Nani shirt on for me. So frustrating. I think he's wasted on the left. On the odd occasion he played up top after the Ibra injury, you could see he'd get a lot more success in games using his pace to get in behind like Rashford does. But with Rashford now well ahead in that position, plus the possibility of keeping Ibra and maybe a new striker that will be coming in to start games, where does he fit?

He really needs to kick on and add something different to his game on the left coz its just not working for me. Becoming a one trick pony. Dont think Jose has much trust in him either and may well be tempted to sell if a good offer comes in, to recoup most of what we spent.
 
35mil is a steal, you can get 70% of a city defender for that money usually.
 
Answered yer own question Robbo. He's not a winger. For some reason, presumably his pace, you stick him out there. As did Monaco most of the time before. Ala Henry at Juve. But his skill set is ultimately that of a 9. Along with not allowing him to play forward in quite a few of your games which has seen him real frustrated.

He'd be flourishing at 3 of the top 6 clubs. Maybe 4 given how Tottenham play.
 
Scouseinthehouse said:
Answered yer own question Robbo. He's not a winger. For some reason, presumably his pace, you stick him out there. As did Monaco most of the time before. Ala Henry at Juve. But his skill set is ultimately that of a 9. Along with not allowing him to play forward in quite a few of your games which has seen him real frustrated.

He'd be flourishing at 3 of the top 6 clubs. Maybe 4 given how Tottenham play.
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You would think with the all the others manager tendency to 'high press/gengen' and Mou's to sit deep, break fast. Man U & Mou should be ideal for him over the others, cept maybe Arsenal.
 
Must say, Martial has looked good in the #9 role in the string of games he got there lately. And when he first arrived under Van Gaal too. Strong, quick, good ball carrier and dangerous on breaks - tbh, he's probably the better finisher between himself and Rashford, ice cold. But doesn't match Rashford's work ethic, which is 50% of the deal with Jose
 
Scouseinthehouse said:
Answered yer own question Robbo. He's not a winger. For some reason, presumably his pace, you stick him out there. As did Monaco most of the time before. Ala Henry at Juve. But his skill set is ultimately that of a 9. Along with not allowing him to play forward in quite a few of your games which has seen him real frustrated.

He'd be flourishing at 3 of the top 6 clubs. Maybe 4 given how Tottenham play.
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Exactly. I may be a bit harsh but he's really frustrated me this season. As I said he may as well have had a Nani shirt on. But despite being played out wide, and limitations being put on him, its still not stopped Miki, Mata and even Lingard performing under the same instruction. Even Rashford when he's been put out wide offers so much more. When Martial is in an attacking area and allowed to get forward, its the same coming inside off the left with his head down and running into trouble. Every time. That's nothing to do with tactical limitation by Jose or the position he's in. That's just **** play and not learning. He should know after the 5th time of doing it in a game and getting nowhere that he needs to do something different, but he doesn't. Could point to the coaches also who should be seeing this game after game and telling him to stop it, but for whatever reason he's not. Maybe he has been told but keeps doing it and that's why Jose doesn't seem to trust him. Who knows. But he needs to get his head down sharpish and do something.
 
If Martial must play as a wide man I'd personally put him on the right. Whenever I seen him play for Monaco he was on the right and he terrorised defenders. Like he did last year from the left. Keep him on that right side. He will still get opportunity to cut in to the box purely from his pace beating the defender but he'd be so mush more effective on the right either putting balls in or driving into the box and pulling it back for someone. Basically Valencia with a better end product. We are crying out for that on the right and have been since Valencia was moved back.
 
wkdsoul said:
Turn him into a fullback. #PEPMAGIC
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LOL. You know I almost used the Fernandinho example among others to whomever it was the City thread saying you can't get all the attackers on the pitch together.

Pep wants to get all his best XI players regardless of position onto the pitch together and expects them to figure it out!
 
Martial can be a bit of a one-trick pony at times on the left, I agree, but the extra defensive responsibility and iffy man-management has definitely played a part imo.

Every player is a different individual, everyone reacts differently; they're human! Some need the kick up the **** (like Shaw, and it did get a positive reaction on the pitch, unfortunately short-lived), and some need an arm around the shoulder - I don't think Mourinho operates in the latter. I just look at Martial this season and all I see was a player severely lacking in confidence; taking away his #9 shirt, being asked to do things he hasn't been before (track back a lot, etc), and then things just not quite falling into place at the other end. All of that, on top of the off-field issues, he just seemed unhappy to me.


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He isn't entirely blameless in his lacklustre season, but I do think the kid needs a bit of a break.
 
Scouseinthehouse said:
LOL. You know I almost used the Fernandinho example among others to whomever it was the City thread saying you can't get all the attackers on the pitch together.

Pep wants to get all his best XI players regardless of position onto the pitch together and expects them to figure it out!
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Totally football next gen.. You CAN play anyway, but you lot have to guess where.
 
It's just a different system. The lack of defensive stability meant the wingers needed to be more defensive than either would have liked, it worked for Miki, but not so much for Martial. Get a better CB, and a DM and the flanks can play faster and harder. Jose's best style actually suits Martial, high tempo and direct. He's fine out wide, we just need to change the play a bit.
 
Mike. said:
It's just a different system. The lack of defensive stability meant the wingers needed to be more defensive than either would have liked, it worked for Miki, but not so much for Martial. Get a better CB, and a DM and the flanks can play faster and harder. Jose's best style actually suits Martial, high tempo and direct. He's fine out wide, we just need to change the play a bit.
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Do you think there are DM's out there that are willing to do all the muck Herrera consistently does? Do you see him as an area of upgrade?
 
Martial may be a limited player, but then so is Robben. With a proper setup they both can destabilize nearly every defense out there.
 
You have Robben as limited?

Interesting. Aside from his diving, I don't think there's been many moe talented wingers the past decade personally. I guess he favours his left more but he's been great either side.
 
Scouseinthehouse said:
You have Robben as limited?

Interesting. Aside from his diving, I don't think there's been many moe talented wingers the past decade personally. I guess he favours his left more but he's been great either side.
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Extremely talented, one of the best we've seen in the modern game, but you do know what he's gonna do 8 times out of 10 - beat you and or cut inside on his left. Stopping it however, is another ball game altogether.

Valencia is another example of this, one-trick pony, always that heavy touch/rapid change of pace outside, you know he's gonna do it, but still beats his man at a ridiculously high success rate.
 
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