The Manchester United Thread

[Theatre of Dreams83]

Will have to agree to disagree. I think we are in a far better place in ways more than just numbers going into the new season. Which will change numbers wise before the window finishes anyway

 

[Vanjagl]

Chriat thats even worse for them after they went out last week to box him.

Utd need to seriously walk away. He’s taking the P now out of Utd as much as Barcelona are out of him.

I never understood why they’d want a player who doesn’t want them to atart with. But if ever it needed confirming he wants to stay at Barcelona and will ride this out ‘till they have to keep him next season its making that plane.

The problem now though if they do the right thing is any alternative will be double the price this late in the window.

*Exit* ‘Alternatives’ as he needs more than one.

Can we be done with it? Going down the rabbit hole constantly, there's nothing there.

Manchester United: Frenkie de Jong's move from Barcelona held up

Manchester United agree a £63.5m deal for Frenkie de Jong but the Netherlands midfielder's move is held up by a contract dispute with Barcelona.

www.bbc.com

In the end, there's still over a month worth of this transfer window and this will be test for United upper management and if they learned anything from previous failures.

 

[Legend Incredible]

Chriat thats even worse for them after they went out last week to box him.

Utd need to seriously walk away. He’s taking the P now out of Utd as much as Barcelona are out of him.

I never understood why they’d want a player who doesn’t want them to atart with. But if ever it needed confirming he wants to stay at Barcelona and will ride this out ‘till they have to keep him next season its making that plane.

The problem now though if they do the right thing is any alternative will be double the price this late in the window.

*Exit* ‘Alternatives’ as he needs more than one.

Pretty sure we could get Fabian Ruiz for ~£25 million (last year on his contract etc).

I’d want us to walk away primarily to screw over Barcelona at this point. They wouldn’t be able to register any of their new signings without offloading one of Busquets, FdJ or Pique so I’d love to see them just crash and burn.

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

Can we be done with it? Going down the rabbit hole constantly, there's nothing there .....

Ok, no worries. Just that its topical was all but it is beyond a tiresome farce now.

Pretty sure we could get Fabian Ruiz for ~£25 million (last year on his contract etc). .....

Forgive my complete ignorance mate but who's Fabian Ruiz again?

 

[Sherkey]

Rumours that we are in conversation with Sangare. If so, that would be good. Unproved in the Prem, but atleast we are actively trying to address a DM sort of signing, which has been needed for multiple windows now.

I'm still not seeing ST as a major issue right now, because I don't know where Ronaldo will go, unless someone does something rather stupid. Napoli potentially (if Osimhen moves to Bayern), but I doubt they'll be able to afford wages. It's a rather strange move by Mendes, so no idea.

But outside of current transfers, if we get 2 midfielders in and still go for a versatile attacker, that will be a pretty decent window. Major concern is still RB, but no movement at all on that, so not sure what is happening there. Plus, who knows, we have a coach who can actually coach, so maybe he will teach the horse new tricks.

I'm not sure about Maguire retaining captaincy though. One would think he would be third choice when everyone is fit (Varane + Martinez start), so it's kinda strange.

 

[Legend Incredible]

Will have to agree to disagree. I think we are in a far better place in ways more than just numbers going into the new season. Which will change numbers wise before the window finishes anyway

If I’ve ever seen an exaggeration, this is it. I’m not even going to address that midfield cos I’d sound like a broken record.

Defensively, we’ve got DDG, whom I’m not even sure is a good fit for a Ten Hag-esque high line (look at the goal we conceded yesterday), 2 right backs that offer next to nothing in the final third, 7 center halves with whom a couple (or maybe 3) spend more time on a physio bed than on the pitch, one with little experience, a new signing, Maguire and Lindelof. Oddly enough, I’m fine with the left back position as Luke Shaw with competition is a different breed of player all together.

Then we have our forward line: 2 center forwards, one that’s extremely streaky and a bit of a mood player (not to mention injury prone) and then there’s Ronaldo. Question marks over Rashford, Elanga is too raw, Diallo isn’t ready, neither is Pellestri so those two might go on loan. So there’s just Sancho, whom I’m expecting to have a huge season.

ETH could get creative and use Bruno as a false 9 but then, we’d need our wingers to bag 15-20 goals each. This goes back to Rashford and him finding form again.

There are just too many variables here with this team besides the midfield which itself is a dumpster fire.

 

[Theatre of Dreams83]

Rumours that we are in conversation with Sangare. If so, that would be good. Unproved in the Prem, but atleast we are actively trying to address a DM sort of signing, which has been needed for multiple windows now.

I'm still not seeing ST as a major issue right now, because I don't know where Ronaldo will go, unless someone does something rather stupid. Napoli potentially (if Osimhen moves to Bayern), but I doubt they'll be able to afford wages. It's a rather strange move by Mendes, so no idea.

But outside of current transfers, if we get 2 midfielders in and still go for a versatile attacker, that will be a pretty decent window. Major concern is still RB, but no movement at all on that, so not sure what is happening there. Plus, who knows, we have a coach who can actually coach, so maybe he will teach the horse new tricks.

I'm not sure about Maguire retaining captaincy though. One would think he would be third choice when everyone is fit (Varane + Martinez start), so it's kinda strange.

I think if we can shift AWB, Telles, Williams a RB will come in. Most likely Dumfries as inter are open to selling for around 30m euros. Apparently Sangare talks are nonsense according to MVerweij. He’s been scouted but not approached in anyway. Which makes sense as ETH doesn’t play a pure DM.

 

[Theatre of Dreams83]

If I’ve ever seen an exaggeration, this is it. I’m not even going to address that midfield cos I’d sound like a broken record.

Defensively, we’ve got DDG, whom I’m not even sure is a good fit for a Ten Hag-esque high line (look at the goal we conceded yesterday), 2 right backs that offer next to nothing in the final third, 7 center halves with whom a couple (or maybe 3) spend more time on a physio bed than on the pitch, one with little experience, a new signing, Maguire and Lindelof. Oddly enough, I’m fine with the left back position as Luke Shaw with competition is a different breed of player all together.

Then we have our forward line: 2 center forwards, one that’s extremely streaky and a bit of a mood player (not to mention injury prone) and then there’s Ronaldo. Question marks over Rashford, Elanga is too raw, Diallo isn’t ready, neither is Pellestri so those two might go on loan. So there’s just Sancho, whom I’m expecting to have a huge season.

ETH could get creative and use Bruno as a false 9 but then, we’d need our wingers to bag 15-20 goals each. This goes back to Rashford and him finding form again.

There are just too many variables here with this team besides the midfield which itself is a dumpster fire.

So you don’t think we are in a better way having all the gone players wages off the bill. Better off without the unreliable Cavani. Without the leaker Lingard. Without the circus that is Pogba. Without Henderson sulking on the bench and the constant talk week in week out with who should be number 1. You don’t think we are better off with a massively reduced wage bill. You don’t think we are better off with ETH getting his preferred signings in. It’s not all about signings in team football and squad building it is a lot more complex than that.

 

[Legend Incredible]

Forgive my complete ignorance mate but who's Fabian Ruiz again?

Midfielder from Napoli. He’s similar to Thiago; not quite as silky but is a better goal threat. Get a DM next to him and we’re practically all set

 

[Legend Incredible]

…Which makes sense as ETH doesn’t play a pure DM.

Alvarez is a pure DM however…

 

[Legend Incredible]

So you don’t think we are in a better way having all the gone players wages off the bill. Better off without the unreliable Cavani. Without the leaker Lingard. Without the circus that is Pogba. Without Henderson sulking on the bench and the constant talk week in week out with who should be number 1. You don’t think we are better off with a massively reduced wage bill. You don’t think we are better off with ETH getting his preferred signings in. It’s not all about signings in team football and squad building it is a lot more complex than that.

We’ve let those players go, great but we need replacements. if not, we’re stuck with another season of McFred

Depth is going to be important in the upcoming seasons with the WC and the new 5 subs rule.

 

[Theatre of Dreams83]

Alvarez is a pure DM however…

Which he was a backup for mainly used Gravenberch and Schone

 

[Theatre of Dreams83]

We’ve let those players go, great but we need replacements. if not, we’re stuck with another season of McFred

Depth is going to be important in the upcoming seasons with the WC and the new 5 subs rule.

i agree mate totally. That’s why I said the window is still open to Scouse and more signings are likely. I just think I would rather be starting off from where we are than where we started last season.

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

i agree mate totally. That’s why I said the window is still open to Scouse and more signings are likely. .....

But those signings (if more do arrive) should be in now and away on tour with him mate. They've let ten Hag down massively as much as you keep trying to push Murtogh and co mate.Utd are away for another week right and then the season starts two weeks after. Can anyone honestly see them getting reinforcements done over the next week to at least have a chance to train with the others and start opening day?

Sound that the windows open until September. But that could also be throwing away the first 4 games or so in the race for 4th. (Hypothetical optimism for the sake of a best case season scenario. ).

 

[Theatre of Dreams83]

But those signings (if more do arrive) should be in now and away on tour with him mate. They've let ten Hag down massively as much as you keep trying to push Murtogh and co mate.Utd are away for another week right and then the season starts two weeks after. Can anyone honestly see them getting reinforcements done over the next week to at least have a chance to train with the others and start opening day?

Sound that the windows open until September. But that could also be throwing away the first 4 games or so in the race for 4th. (Hypothetical optimism for the sake of a best case season scenario. ).

Unfortunately that can’t always be the case. Especially after how bad we have been run. It’s not been helped by ETH coming in late and deciding his own targets. Also by a lot of the higher ups on the scouting and recruitment level been binned back end of the season. And ETH targets being hard to get for one reason or another. Some our fault some not.

I can totally see what everyone is saying. But after the mess we have been in for years and years people also need to understand that this was never gonna be a smooth window / transition to hopefully something better going forward.

 

[Anthony]

Some our fault some not.

Manchester United are a business TOD. They don't work for Marks and Sparks or a local factory.

Here's a quick lesson from a business owner. If you fail... It's your f.ucking fault.

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

Do you know if we have any targets outside the Dutch contingent?

Good, thought provoking piece-

Why going Dutch again is a gamble for Manchester United

Erik ten Hag's preference for recruiting from the Eredivisie is a risk – and fans will be hoping history does not repeat itself

www.telegraph.co.uk

 

[Theatre of Dreams83]

Good article but some key differences

 

[Legend Incredible]

Good, thought provoking piece-

Why going Dutch again is a gamble for Manchester United

Erik ten Hag's preference for recruiting from the Eredivisie is a risk – and fans will be hoping history does not repeat itself

www.telegraph.co.uk

Good article but I have a couple gripes with it: It’s not really fair to lump Depay and Blind together as I thought Blind had a really good 2nd season playing at center half under LVG. Sure, he was a bit of lightweight and slow but he made up for it with his technical ability and footballing IQ. He was binned because Jose preferred brute strength and stamina over technical players.


Another thing is the article doesn’t do Marco Van Ginkle any justice there by refusing to even acknowledge the injury he sustained before he saw a football pitch in England. Brilliant talent but was done over unfortunate circumstances.

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

Good article but I have a couple gripes with it: It’s not really fair to lump Depay and Blind together as I thought Blind had a really good 2nd season playing at center half under LVG. Sure, he was a bit of lightweight and slow but he made up for it with his technical ability and footballing IQ. He was binned because Jose preferred brute strength and stamina over technical players.


Another thing is the article doesn’t do Marco Van Ginkle any justice there by refusing to even acknowledge the injury he sustained before he saw a football pitch in England. Brilliant talent but was done over unfortunate circumstances.

I more took that this league isn’t the Dutch league. And leaving a new manager solely in charge of recruitment is never a clever idea.

And we never even mentioned the elephant in the room in Catolonia. Yay us!*^5