The Manchester United Thread

I had one too many last night at the pub but why wouldn’t I? Born into a family with city, Liverpool and arsenal fans, you know I’m going to need lots of it. I was quite upset waking up sober to about 53 texts from so and so sending memes and “lovely” banter.

Where do I even begin? The first half was okay. Liverpool scored when I thought we were starting to create chances. Even scored an offside goal shortly before Gakpo scored (brilliant effort btw). Going into halftime, I remember telling my mates I was “encouraged” by what I’ve seen so far and hopefully we can keep on doing what we’ve been doing. In the 2nd half, the players might as well not have even showed up. We got overzealous with the amount of players we pushed forward in trying to find a goal and got battered on the counter. A bit of a naive thing to do at anfield. Before we knew it, we were 4-0 down and heads dropped. Liverpool were extremely clinical with their opportunities and punished us without mercy. Bruno Fernandes, in times like this, is probably the worst choice to be captain. Casemiro put up his worst game in a red shirt and our defense was shambolic after the 2nd goal. Part of me wonders if Varane was fully fit after the injury scare.

Ten Hag also needs to take some blame here. Not sure what the half time talk looked like but it sure as **** made the players much worse. The reality is he’s overseen our joint worst defeat in the club’s history. There’s losing to liverpool (which is fine) and there’s losing 7-0. Unforgivable if you ask me as I’ll never hear the end of it in years to come.
 
woolly said:
Sounds like ETH is going along the Ferguson way of discipline. He made the players sit in silence in the dressing room listening to the Liverpool celebrations (both the fans and team) before giving them the 'hairdryer' treatment. I dread to think what plans he has for them on the training ground but it's safe to say they won't be allowed to forget in a hurry.
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It won’t be running 14k extra after training that’s for sure and if he does then he’s only making things worse for himself.
 
woolly said:
Sounds like ETH is going along the Ferguson way of discipline. He made the players sit in silence in the dressing room listening to the Liverpool celebrations (both the fans and team) before giving them the 'hairdryer' treatment. I dread to think what plans he has for them on the training ground but it's safe to say they won't be allowed to forget in a hurry.
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Should have a look at himself.

Playing a yard dog lump of a CF as a 10 has to be seen live to be believed.
 
woolly said:
He will have accepted he has made mistakes but to lay the blame on the CF is not the problem there was a far bigger culprit in the form of the captain on the night. Bruno is a 'fair weather' captain to be honest if things are going right for him it's not a problem but he can't boost morale of his team mates when things aren't going his way, he lost the team yesterday and the scoreline reflected that.
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Bruno didn’t award himself the armband mate. Maybe look to the guy that gave him the armband to begin with.

Also, the weghorst at #10 experiment needs to die. It’s only worked once at camp nou (much can be attributed to the element of surprise)
 
FA have confirmed that no action will be taken against Fernandes because it was spotted by referee Andy Madley and his assistants and was not included in their report.

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When will the time come and they have balls to give retrospective fines or bans ( This goes also to dives, fouls, stupid stuff...)
 
woolly said:
He will have accepted he has made mistakes but to lay the blame on the CF is not the problem …..
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Oh, I wasn’t putting the blame on that mate.

I was observing that actually seeing the least technically gifted Dutchman I can remember over here since Erik Meijer, playing as a 10, up close and personal live; is even more jaw droopingly staggering than seeing it on the telly.

Although someone in here did claim he’d score more goals than Darwin the rest of this season so yanno’, there may be hope for him yet!
 
I gotta agree with Scouse, these weird kindergarten 'punishments' are just a cheap way of placating the fans. But this ain't kindergarten and stuff like this won't fly with the squad for very long. Or maybe ETH should give himself a silent treatment for messing up the tactics.
 
Some information on Kleyn from two years ago via TGG.

TGG: "Kleyn, who has worked for the club since September 2017, revealed that the club use three ‘waves’ of metrics to measure team performance: traditional event data, XY data and tracking data."

"Each is "useful for different reasons" and has "a varying level of complexity”, meaning that “from a data point of view, what we were able to do very quickly was to apply our first team data model to our B team,” Kleyn explained."

“This was really powerful," he added, "because it provided use with a ready-made tool to check that transition tactically. It allows us to use internal comparisons, so we can compare the first team with key metrics to the B team and interpret the differences.”

"Kleyn, who worked for Norwich for three years before joining the Saints, used pressing metrics in his presentation to illustrate how the B team, who play in Premier League 2, has become more closely aligned tactically to Hasenhuttl's first team than the U23s were previously."

The high press is fundamental to Hasenhuttl’s style of play, as enshrined in the Southampton Playbook.

"The diagram below compares the pressing of the first team and U23s last season, with red indicating a high amount of defensive pressure and blue a low amount of defensive pressure. As you can see, there were major differences in what is a fundamental of Southampton's senior style of play."

"What we’re seeing here is that the U23s became the B team who were immediately able to show that they were capable of more aggressive pressing style of play this season."

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Training Ground Guru | How Southampton use data to align their first team and B team

SOUTHAMPTON'S Lead Data Scientist, Alex Kleyn, explains how the club use data to ensure the new B team is tactically aligned with Ralph Hasenhuttl’s first team.
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His job at Southampton was to align the first team and B team tactically via advanced data metrics. So basically his job was to align Hassenhüttl's high pressing play style with how the B team played.

For anyone interested, below is short video of Kleyn explaining his work.

 
I'm sure it felt bad to Rashford who's a local lad. Th rest don't give a toss about rivalry, they're here for a pay check. That's just modern football for ya.
 
Tyton said:
I'm sure it felt bad to Rashford who's a local lad. Th rest don't give a toss about rivalry, they're here for a pay check. That's just modern football for ya.
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Well….there’s also McTominay. He didn’t start but he’s a local lad
 
Legend Incredible said:
Bruno didn’t award himself the armband mate. Maybe look to the guy that gave him the armband to begin with. …..
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Amused me-

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