The Manchester United Thread

Legend Incredible said:
First off, this is no way, shape or form comparable to the de Jong farce. If you recall, de Jong never wanted to leave Spain. We spent all that time negotiating with Barcelona only for de Jong to say no. That was the worst part. I thought the closest signing to that was Yoro as I mentioned previously. From every legitimate report possible, personal terms with Ugarte wasn’t an issue. PSG expecting to make a £10 million profit on a player on the back of an underwhelming season is. Not to mention they signed a replacement already. .....
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Really? It's in no way comparable mate? You spent all last summer dicking around with a player you were never getting. You've spent 5 weeks dicking around when a price was set and personnel terms were agreed. Knowing full well you weren't paying/ don't have the money to pay, the price that was never dropping. To now pull out, less then a fortnight from the start of the season. When you desperately need players. If you'd turned around 5 weeks ago and gone nah, we aren't paying that, see ya. Then sound. You'd have a point. PSG are never getting that. I agree completely he shouldn't be bought at that. But you didn't walk away earlier to pivot elsewhere.. You've known for well over a month what the price is. And that they wouldn't drop it. And they've P around doing F all until deciding to pull out now. It's no less F embarrassing, and ridiculous on ten Hag as he won't have a DM in for Fulham, than last summers fruitless chase for a player they knew they were never getting.

Only this time the name on the can is different so folk are desperate to try take a positive from it.

And the leaks/ briefs that you'd agreed terms and were in for him for over a month at that price is no less of the same from the past either. Both summers making clowns of themselves by publicly failing to get there open number one target they spent weeks on. And knew they were never getting.
 
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Scouseinthehouse said:
Knowing full well you weren't paying/ don't have the money to pay, the price that was never dropping.
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This isn’t a Jarran Braithwaite situation where xyz player is seen as integral and a lack of leverage. It’s a bit known that Enrique doesn’t rate Ugarte and PSG had been actively shopping for his replacement (signed Joao Neves). PSG had the fee set but you’d imagine a player that isn’t fancied by the gaffer would get pushed out sooner than later in order not to allow his value plummet even further. Reasonable to see an opportunity for negotiating that price down under the circumstances. Unfortunately, it didn’t play out that way.


Now, I’m not certain how the negotiations were like behind the curtains and if it depends on sales/purchases from either side (cos ffp).

I’m definitely not a fan of the club briefs to journos cos this maybe what negotiations look like when everything is played out this publicly, it can look so arduous
 
Mate, seriously. You aren't normally anything like that naïve.

PSG don't have to drop any price. They aren't arsed about player depreciation. They are run by a whole F State. (Who may or may not be P off Utd played them to get that buffoon Ratcliffe to keep the Glazers in power.).. You can't bully clubs like them were money is no object. If the PSR rules weren't as stringent as they are in this Country, Newcastle would have happily sat and paid Ashworth for the rest of his contract doing F all. It's what State owned clubs are as money is no object to them. That Ugarte price was never dropping to Utd. I suspect what ultimately ended it was McTonimay not going and Utd banking on that money. Lesson never learned in never talking wham to the media about top targets and contracts agreed. And then not following through on the fee.

ten Hag's the loser. He's now looking at McTominay and Casimero starting the season which puts him on the backfoot from the get go in a season I'll be shocked if he survives. But that's another discussion for another day.

Unless something dramatic changes over the next month, and Bayern et al certainly aren't budging on price like Utd aren't on their dross so everything's just dead, he's been sold down the river yet again by those above him at the club in another terrible window. But the immediate issue is Fulham and virtually the same, and now weaker, squad starting the season.
 
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Scouseinthehouse said:
Mate, seriously. You aren't normally anything like that naïve.

Who may or may not be P off Utd played them to get that buffoon Ratcliffe to keep the Glazers in power.).. You can't bully clubs like them were money is no object.
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You know what mate? Fair play. I forgot about this bit and I can definitely see how Qatar would’ve felt peeved by Ratcliffe’s comments so there’s a vendetta
 
Legend Incredible said:
Context? I’m also privy to how they may use Yoro’s injury as leverage
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Mazzaroui. Bayern agreed a deal with West Ham for around 19m add ons included reported by Ornstein. Now I’m reading this morning by Pletigol that Bayern are now demanding 25m + bonuses.

Also on De Ligt I know Bayern have the right to demand what they want. It’s just annoying seeing them bend Leverkusen over for Tah who originally wanted 40m. And now Bayern have somehow getting him now for 25m. They have a player on huge wages and a player the manager doesn’t want and the director has openly said he can leave. But won’t give us any wiggle room on the price.
 
Theatre of Dreams83 said:
Mazzaroui. Bayern agreed a deal with West Ham for around 19m add ons included reported by Ornstein. Now I’m reading this morning by Pletigol that Bayern are now demanding 25m + bonuses.
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So if I read this correctly, they want a slightly higher fee from us yet agreed to something lower from west ham?

Also I feel this is West Ham’s way of telling us to pay off AWB so he can get shipped
 
Legend Incredible said:
So if I read this correctly, they want a slightly higher fee from us yet agreed to something lower from west ham?

Also I feel this is West Ham’s way of telling us to pay off AWB so he can get shipped
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Exactly mate. Like how/ why. It’s ****** annoying! Why can’t we get the same deal as WH we’re gonna get.

Everyone thinks we are a soft touch and a joke in the market. Gonna take a long time for the new lot to shake 10/11 years of incompetence in the market.
 
Theatre of Dreams83 said:
Exactly mate. Like how/ why. It’s ****** annoying! Why can’t we get the same deal as WH we’re gonna get.

Everyone thinks we are a soft touch and a joke in the market. Gonna take a long time for the new lot to shake 10/11 years of incompetence in the market.
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I said it a while back that to shake off this “United tax” reputation, it’ll take a few years of missing out on a lot of transfer targets. Today, teams know they can hold firm on the valuation of a player all window and, if they’re a top target of ours, we’ll eventually cave in. I’m curious to see what happens this month to confirm if we’ve truly changed.
 
Legend Incredible said:
I said it a while back that to shake off this “United tax” reputation, it’ll take a few years of missing out on a lot of transfer targets. Today, teams know they can hold firm on the valuation of a player all window and, if they’re a top target of ours, we’ll eventually cave in. I’m curious to see what happens this month to confirm if we’ve truly changed.
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Yeah I don’t mind us walking away. As long as we don’t stump up at the end of the window. If clubs decide to lower the price then I won’t mind us going back. Shows we won’t be pushed around anymore
 
Theatre of Dreams83 said:
I must be missing something with all this weaker squad waffle 🤷🏻‍♂️
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How is it not right here, right now?

Best defender gone and replaced with an 18-year-old. (Still can’t believe Utd would be starting the season with him if not for injury.). Younger, far leas experienced version .of Martial for the back-up striker roles. Greenwood and van de Baek, albeit they rarely played, off the wage bill. And Sancho who nobody wants back in the squad. A squad that was utter S last year and finished 8th. And Utd are about to start the season, sans the new forward, with the EXACT same group of failures from last year.

Now, theres just over 3 weeks or so of the window to go so that could all change. But I’m utterly perplexed mate how, right here, right now, you don’t think an already poor, weak squad isn’t weaker by mere definition of numbers and lost experienced quality? Or how this has remotely been a good window to date for a manger hanging by a thread? 🤷🏼‍♂️
 
I agree Varane going has made us weaker at the back but let’s be honest he’s only fit half a season. But Yoro is a very good/potential top class CB and good signing. And we will likely be signing another.

Don’t know why Martial is getting any Mention he played 13 appearances mostly as a sub couldn’t be relied on at all Greenwood never featured so no loss there. And has been replaced By Zirkzee. We also have the Young lad from Arsenal who will be coming in as 3rd/ 4th choice STR with huge potential. So for me we are stronger in that department already.

DVB again not really played any football for 2 seasons so no loss. Been replaced by Collyer who looks like he’s gonna be intergrated this season like Mainoo last. Mount now fully fit who missed last season back automatically makes us stronger in Midfield. Likely another CM coming in.

On the wings even with just Sancho back and Amad fully fit that’s an upgrade to what we had last season.

Yeah I’m in no way saying it’s been a great window and tbh who was expecting one. Let’s be honest anyone with a bit of common sense/brain knew it was gonna be a rough one. With all the changes at board level down. Shifting players on who are on silly contracts and wages. Trying to shift the stain left on us by the current transfer regime that has seen us become known as a joke in this department for over 10 yrs.

All in all so far I think it’s been fairly good/decent across the board at all levels for there first summer and it will hopefully get better before the close of the window.
 
I’m still expecting Linderlof, AWB, Hannibal, Pellistri to 100% be sold this summer. There all out of contract next summer with no extension options to be triggered.

McTominey is also in his last year but the club has the + 1 yr option. So if he’s not sold this summer they will likely trigger it during the season and then sell him for whatever they can next summer. Same goes for Maguire.

Diallo is in his last year but has the + 1 year option. Anyway reports are he’s already in talks for a new 5yr deal.

Then we have Eriksen, Evans who will likely be let go on a free. Tom Heaton after this season is moving into a full time coaching role at the club so we will need a new GK in the squad next summer.

Hopefully by come start of next season we should have all the dross cleared one way or another.
 
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