Three-tactic-COMBO (Man Utd): CONQUER PL title! BANG Barcelona 6-2 Aggr! CL finalist!

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The 4-4-1 does not seem to work for me, I just get overwhelmed by defences on the counter. I've only gotten results from set pieces and have had to rely on them. ( 6 ft 6 regents :) ). And as I have not been able pressure opposing teams I just get attacked and eventually scored against, that's what I've found so far. The 3combo works extremely well :)
 
Birdman2002 said:
The 4-4-1 does not seem to work for me, I just get overwhelmed by defences on the counter. I've only gotten results from set pieces and have had to rely on them. ( 6 ft 6 regents :) ). And as I have not been able pressure opposing teams I just get attacked and eventually scored against, that's what I've found so far. The 3combo works extremely well :)
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Hi Birdman 2002,

Can you provide ss on the matches you have played so far?

And don't worry about 2COMBO. It's just because I have not provided the manual guide. Let's take a quick tutorial right now:

- You must have really good wingers who can individually run at defense to make 2COMBO work. Good dribbling, crossing, pace, acceleration and same strong foot with the wing he plays. I have Karim Ait Fana and Torje with Leeds, and Young, Nani, Valencia with Man Utds.

- 2COMBO is just for Away matches again similar team with you, or matches against top table teams
- When play against very strong teams, use 2COMBO/defensive

- If you have good wingers, use Work ball into box, but chances still not come, it's because the opponent is not strong enough, especially no good middle field enough, so that you cannot launch counter attack. The symptom is easy to figure out: your attacker lost balls in the middle field repeatedly, chances (all-match) are fewer than 10, and most of them are not into the box. In this case, please use shout: Push higher up. After 15 minutes, if things are not chances please gradually increase the strategy up to Balance-> Control -> Attack -> Overload, until you get more chances but still stable at the back.

- If your wingers (2COMBO) can launch the byline, but can not cross, because he is marked by more than 2 opponents, please use Look for Overlap

- On the back, 2COMBO is really solid. You rarely concede when defend on purpose. But sometimes you get it on opponent's counter attack. My lessons: you should not get Counter when using 2COMBO. Solutions for this are as follows:
+ Firstly, drop deeper
+ If you notice some good opponent's dribbler, who get past several of your defenders, than get shots, please use OI: Mark always, Close down, Tackle hard on him, also use the shout: play narrower. Please don't misunderstand this situation with the other case when the opponent just get easy long shot, really far from goal, out of box or just into goal keeper's hand. This is the other case when 2COMBO is working. If it is the case, you should make nothing chance to 2COMBO
+ If the opponent get quick play through, and constantly get dangerous long shot, please use OI: Close down always to the Long shot taker, use the shout: Hassle opponent
- If you are leading by just one goal, 75 minute, please change to: 2COMBO, contain, Drop deeper, Play Narrower, Past to feet, Play even safer. Also, remove Work ball into box. Remember that the match is very different at about last 15 minutes, so please be cautious. With this trick, I have never get caught in last 15 minute during my current season.
- In the end, there is a fact that I have seen: opponent which you hardly win by 2COMBO, will be easier to win by 3COMBO, unless your team is far more weaker, or you get loose at some super heroes of the opponent.

So please don't forget to use my suggested OI. There is always some super men out there in this soccer world.
 
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dzunglv said:
Oh my quick tut is long now :(
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Lol, thanks ill use that guide see how I go. With the matches the possession is 68 to 32, and 25 shots to 2 I just get completely dominated. I'll try your instructions and tell you how I go
 
Hello.....just wanted some advice. Firstly, congrats, this is a cracking formation. It looks great and since using it mid way through the season my defence seems to have tightened up and my results have been steady.

Just a couple of things really......

Firstly, when playing against a narrow formation with either combos....how do you set up opposition instructions for the AMC's...if at all? (i.e. vs the man city type formation with 2 CM 3 AMC and 1 ST)

I went along the lines of putting the same instructions for the amc's as I would the fbs/wbs + wingers. I should have beaten them but instead wound up drawing 2-2 at home.

Also, I see your suggestion when having to deal with waves of attack through the middle is to use hassle opponents......gratned my team isn't the best but its definitely a weakness for my team that it seems as though the opposition get too much space in front of the defence. Any suggestions?

You mention somewhere about pitch size being a factor....however altering the defensive line pre match results in the familiarity bars going down so would you suggest a pre match shout of push higher up if on a long pitch and drop deeper if on a short pitch?

That aside....I'm looking forward to using these for a whole season and making use of the extra wage room for new players when the fringe players I've got are out of contract.

My results are as follows with the combo formations: P9 W5 D 3 L1.....really good considering I'm still not quite fluid on everything....
 
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mcbgun said:
Hello.....just wanted some advice. Firstly, congrats, this is a cracking formation. It looks great and since using it mid way through the season my defence seems to have tightened up and my results have been steady.

Just a couple of things really......

Firstly, when playing against a narrow formation with either combos....how do you set up opposition instructions for the AMC's...if at all? (i.e. vs the man city type formation with 2 CM 3 AMC and 1 ST)

I went along the lines of putting the same instructions for the amc's as I would the fbs/wbs + wingers. I should have beaten them but instead wound up drawing 2-2 at home.

Also, I see your suggestion when having to deal with waves of attack through the middle is to use hassle opponents......gratned my team isn't the best but its definitely a weakness for my team that it seems as though the opposition get too much space in front of the defence. Any suggestions?

You mention somewhere about pitch size being a factor....however altering the defensive line pre match results in the familiarity bars going down so would you suggest a pre match shout of push higher up if on a long pitch and drop deeper if on a short pitch?

That aside....I'm looking forward to using these for a whole season and making use of the extra wage room for new players when the fringe players I've got are out of contract.

My results are as follows with the combo formations: P9 W5 D 3 L1.....really good considering I'm still not quite fluid on everything....
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For the amc do the same instructions as the striker from what I saw on the op good luck
 
mcbgun said:
Hello.....just wanted some advice. Firstly, congrats, this is a cracking formation. It looks great and since using it mid way through the season my defence seems to have tightened up and my results have been steady.

Just a couple of things really......

Firstly, when playing against a narrow formation with either combos....how do you set up opposition instructions for the AMC's...if at all? (i.e. vs the man city type formation with 2 CM 3 AMC and 1 ST)

I went along the lines of putting the same instructions for the amc's as I would the fbs/wbs + wingers. I should have beaten them but instead wound up drawing 2-2 at home.

Also, I see your suggestion when having to deal with waves of attack through the middle is to use hassle opponents......gratned my team isn't the best but its definitely a weakness for my team that it seems as though the opposition get too much space in front of the defence. Any suggestions?

You mention somewhere about pitch size being a factor....however altering the defensive line pre match results in the familiarity bars going down so would you suggest a pre match shout of push higher up if on a long pitch and drop deeper if on a short pitch?

That aside....I'm looking forward to using these for a whole season and making use of the extra wage room for new players when the fringe players I've got are out of contract.

My results are as follows with the combo formations: P9 W5 D 3 L1.....really good considering I'm still not quite fluid on everything....
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Hi mcbgun,

AMC is a special player in every team. He sometimes play like a deep ST (target man), sometimes like a high MC (advance player maker). For opponent AMC, I suggest you starting the match by OI "mark always" for him. If in match he plays high and have some chances toward your goals, please close him down always. Please consider tackle him or not, because you might concede a penalty by foul on him.

Man City's formation is also different you know that. It is narrower, and actually no wingers at all. I suggest Mark always, Tackle hard on every players you afraid. In match, if any player becomes thread, close him down also. 2COMBO/defensive is my best way to deal with Man city.

"Hassle opponent" is only good in case they get too many quick long shots which are dangerous because they have really good Long shot takers. This case does not happen regularly, I rarely use hassle opponent though. And do not use hassle opponent in case the opponent have many long shots but nowhere near to your goal, or just safely and softly go into your goal keeper hand. This is a totally different case, when the opponent have no other choice but Long shot, even they have no good Long shot takers. This case is when your formation works great there, and no more Shout or change needed.

If you feel you get too much space in front of your defender, do not use hassle, but push higher up or increase the strategy.

I concerned about pitch size on very early days playing FM13 (maybe 2 months ago?). Now it is no longer a important factor. I think mentioning it here will make thing too complex. My suggestion is to NOT change your D-line in accordance to the pitch size.

One more thing, if you need to change to strategy, or use shout higher up or drop deeper in according to the cases I mentioned in "quick" tutorial above, do not hesitate to do that. Familiarity is not important that much, and by changing the D-line you just lose a very little amount of familiarity.

Sometimes you will get draw or lost games. Frustrated, yeah, but it is really not a big deal I must tell you that. It is all about the lessons you learned from these games. Make sure you know why the opponent scored, who scored and why you let him do that. I have had a really better 2nd half season because I do not let the opponent plays game easily like the first time they messed me up. Take note of your mistakes in losing matches if it is needed, so that when you play against that opponent in future, you will revenge.
 
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Birdman2002 said:
When does your combo 3 guide come out
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Here it is now, mate!
- 3COMBO is useful for playing against weaker team, or Home matches against similar teams. Contrast to 2COMBO, 3COMBO is expected to dominant the match, push up the Defensive line and cover the opponent with the storm of chances.
- Use the same OI, and start the match with Work ball into box. If the players still waste many chances by Long shot, please push higher up, or increase the Strategy
- If poacher does not perform, increase his Mentality by 2 knot (Just 1 knot before it reaches maximum). If thing does not improve, untick him as the Target man (because he is tightly marked), or just sub him out
- With quality wingers, you will do it fine. But sometimes the AMR and AML just cannot dribble the ball so they are left useless far from opponent's goal, try Increase their Run from deep to Always. If thing does not improve, increase their Mentality to 2knots before the maximum (If it is difficult to define, change strategy to Attack, Tick the square box on the left of Wingers' mentality, change strategy back to Standard). Consider use Look for Overlap if the wingers are isolated on the flank.
- The 2 Wingers will make a lot of pass to each other during the game (quick switch the ball to other flank). If these passes are complete, your opponent with deal with great trouble. But if these passes keep going wrong, try: Play it narrower, exploit the middle
- If the 2 Wingers dribble well, you may use Run at defense shout to maximize their threat on opponent
- If you cannot keep the possession, and the passes between every players keep going wrong, try this Shout: Drop deeper + stand on feet + play narrower + pass into space + get ball forward + stand off opponents. If thing still does not improve, switch to 2COMBO, reset the OI.
For Defenders:
- If the defenders constantly leave their position to close down, and keep failing to retake the ball but let the opponent go through the space behind them, try to reduce their Close down in player setting by 2-3 knots.
- The MCL usually gets yellow card in 3COMBO. Reduce his tackle when this happens. If he concedes card in first half, tell him to avoid another book during pep talk before second half.
- If the opponent constantly attack you on the break, either by running at your defense or by crossing, their chances is much more than yours, and if most of the time their shots go on target, please check again the OI, close the dangerous player down by OI, try either reduce the strategy or use: Drop deeper + stand on feet + play narrower + pass into space + get ball forward + stand off opponents. If thing does not improve, switch to 2COMBO
- If the opponent is constantly dangerous on Long shot, try Hassle the opponent
 
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I forget to tell you.

When you do not need scoring, but need solid defense (1-0 leading at 75 min for example), please remove "Work ball into box". This shout generally will push your men forward, you may suffer Counter
 
One of the best way to choose between 2COMBO and 3COMBO is to look at:
1. Home match or Away match, Stronger, similar or weaker team
2. Opponent team report, Tactic face, find the different between 4-2-3-1 and 4-4-1-1 or 4-4-2 (2COMBO works similarly to the traditional 4-4-2)
3. Past meeting: What tactic you have used in the past? What was the result?

Updated progress: Leeds Utd just got beaten 0-1 by Man Utd in FA Semi Final. Belhanda scored for MU in the very last minute of the match :(
PRM: Man City just get lost, Leeds Utd is now at second place. 4 more games to play and there is chance for all 4 top teams: Arsenal 75, Leeds 71, Man City 70 Tottenham 70
 
Nice work dude,

Now I thought as this hasn't been posted complacency seems to occur a lot in FM 13 and as this tactic is so successful your team talks have to be up to the quality of the tactic. Many team talks have won me games and pulled crazy results out of a hat.

Pre match, Let your assistant talk unless you don't agree what he is suggesting.

Half time, Losing: Aggressive talk
Draw Assertive: I expect a better showing this half
1-0 up Don't get complacent
2-0 up You have played well but you can do better or, don't get complacent
3-0 You have built a solid lead but don't stop now, keep you performance levels up

Win or good draw: Praise
bad draw or loss: Aggressive

You have to slam your players and bring them back to reality instead of letting them go off with the fairies. if you are well respected the more you expect the more your players will do. Hopefully this helps you guys ;D
 
Birdman2002 said:
Nice work dude,

Now I thought as this hasn't been posted complacency seems to occur a lot in FM 13 and as this tactic is so successful your team talks have to be up to the quality of the tactic. Many team talks have won me games and pulled crazy results out of a hat.

Pre match, Let your assistant talk unless you don't agree what he is suggesting.

Half time, Losing: Aggressive talk
Draw Assertive: I expect a better showing this half
1-0 up Don't get complacent
2-0 up You have played well but you can do better or, don't get complacent
3-0 You have built a solid lead but don't stop now, keep you performance levels up

Win or good draw: Praise
bad draw or loss: Aggressive

You have to slam your players and bring them back to reality instead of letting them go off with the fairies. if you are well respected the more you expect the more your players will do. Hopefully this helps you guys ;D
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Totally agree with this.

Personally, I usually aggressively slam team. Even they win 1-0 home match. Always there is 1 or 2 player feel bad about it but I don't care haha.

Thank you birdman2002, I would like to copy your assist to my OP, is this ok?
 
dzunglv said:
Totally agree with this.

Personally, I usually aggressively slam team. Even they win 1-0 home match. Always there is 1 or 2 player feel bad about it but I don't care haha.

Thank you birdman2002, I would like to copy your assist to my OP, is this ok?
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Go for it, it was one of the main intentions of the post lol ;D
 
dzunglv said:
Is this crazy thing made by 3COMBO? My best game now is 6-0 win over Chelsea, Leeds Utd + 2COMBO + defensive + W into box
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Yeah this is combo3, i put it on attacking and just let my players dominate, wasn't even my full first team ;D. I had three disallowed goals as well
 
Birdman2002 said:
Go for it, it was one of the main intentions of the post lol ;D
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Oh one more thing.

I often slam team in the half time break. Even if we are leading 1-0. Aggressive + Not happy

The full time team talk is sometimes more complex. It also depend on the ratings. If all the squad is rated for 7.3-7.4+, I still praise them even we win just 1-0.

Somewhere on the Internet, I hear people say that if your team is in the long bad games run, praising them will encourage better.
 
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