VerZa's 4-3-3 - Breaking the record with Southampton

VerZa said:
To me, they're pretty important. Actually my midfielders score quite a lot of goals. I haven't tried to change them lately, as the current v2 tactic still works wonders to me. I'm just enjoying the game at the moment, as I don't have much time to play.
If you try it, please let me know how it works :)

At the moment I'm playing with Fulham. I'm in my second season, currently in the PL after getting promoted from the championship. I'm second in the PL atm, United is first (They're undefeated after 27 games, they're unstoppable). I've only lost one game so far this season, and that was against United away (1-0 defeat).

My team looks like this:
Koval, Joe Gomez, Sviatchenko, Balanta, Flanagan, Amartey, Lasse Vigen Christensen, Ruiz, Patrick Roberts (Just sold Andrija Zivkovic), Sisto, Woodrow.

Sisto (11 goals) and Woodrow (18 goals) are my star players.

If I'm leading with 15-20 minutes left, I often substitute Ruiz (CM, Auto) for a more defensive-orientated player, and change his role to defensive + I change the mentality to control.. If I'm at home, with a lot of ball poss, I might even change the tempo to slower, shorter passes etc, to waste more time.
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Roberts the inside forward I'm guessing?
 
mikeruttz said:
Roberts the inside forward I'm guessing?
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Yeah. I don't find him to be that great, but he's the only real option after I've sold Zivkovic, who was a beast.
Now I'm just trying to develop him, so that I can sell him for some cash.
 
I used the tactic with the inside forward on the left with Milan for 5 seasons, won 4 leagues, 2 champions leagues and a lot of other trophies and here are my impressions about this tactic:

GK and CB - I'm using Scuffet on the goal, with Balanta and Chiriches/Astori at the moment, and they are solid. The center backs can score a lot of goals for me, the best example beeing Balanta who scored 45 goals in 4 seasons, 16 of them on my last one.

FB - Equally solid, but there is a funny aspect in some of them. I have Darmian and Di Siglio playing there but it is my 3rd full back (Murru) who steals the show. Because he his a throw in specialist he can average between 8.5 and 9.0 a game because he makes a lot of key passes, around 15-25 each game. I see a lot of times him passing the ball to my right winger via corner kick or throw in, then the winger crosses the ball to the opposition box, but a lot of times with no effect. However the match engine considers that a key pass and awards him a great exibition because he does that often, wich sometimes prevents me from knowing if he had a good game besides doing some throw ins.

HF - I have Samper there, and before him was Gil Romero. This is the weakest point in this tactic, considering average ratings. In a 50 game-season, playing in a title winning-team, the player in this position gets around 6.6 to 6.9 in most games, even when he gets the job done. I tried to change the role to ball-winning midfielder, with the same results.

MC and RP - I have a love-hate relationship with these two positions. I have Lucas Romero and Gil Romero with Locatelli as backup and they both get a good goals/assists tally per season, but they shoot A LOT!!! I changed they instructions to shoot less often, but they still shoot around 5 to 9 times in almost every match. And only 20 to 40% is on target and most times none of then goes in. Not even the PPM 'looks for a pass instead of scoring' can save this. I had some cases of a midfielder shooting 7 or 8 times in a game, with one or even none going on target. It's forgettable when you have a good win, but infuriating when you don't win a match or don't score as much goals a you should.

IF - I have Balde Keita now and El Sharawaay before him and they get the job done. They don't score as much as I imagined they would do, as the best season I've seen there was El Sharawaay with 23 goals in 47 games, and never again I got close to that. But i'm pleased with the performances on this position.

W - I still have Bonaventura here, who despite looking a average player he became a icon in Milan and one of the best italian players in the game, even outperforming Konoplyanka in this role. Whoever plays in this role is the assist king in my squad, probably benefiting a little from the corner kick drill or the throw ins mentioned above, as the ball is passed to him and then he crosses to the box. Bonaventura reached the impressive tally of 39 assists in 48 games my last season, scoring 14 goals too and got the award for Best player in Europe, above Messi and Depay.

CF - Berardi is the king here. Scores from run-ins, headers, both feet and more. 138 goals in 150 matches for me and counting. In my first season i had pazzini there and he also had a great season. In my second I had Javier Hernandez there and despite scoring 28 goals in a season he lacked the aerial prowess that could make him score even more goals.
 
alex21px said:
I used the tactic with the inside forward on the left with Milan for 5 seasons, won 4 leagues, 2 champions leagues and a lot of other trophies and here are my impressions about this tactic:

GK and CB - I'm using Scuffet on the goal, with Balanta and Chiriches/Astori at the moment, and they are solid. The center backs can score a lot of goals for me, the best example beeing Balanta who scored 45 goals in 4 seasons, 16 of them on my last one.

FB - Equally solid, but there is a funny aspect in some of them. I have Darmian and Di Siglio playing there but it is my 3rd full back (Murru) who steals the show. Because he his a throw in specialist he can average between 8.5 and 9.0 a game because he makes a lot of key passes, around 15-25 each game. I see a lot of times him passing the ball to my right winger via corner kick or throw in, then the winger crosses the ball to the opposition box, but a lot of times with no effect. However the match engine considers that a key pass and awards him a great exibition because he does that often, wich sometimes prevents me from knowing if he had a good game besides doing some throw ins.

HF - I have Samper there, and before him was Gil Romero. This is the weakest point in this tactic, considering average ratings. In a 50 game-season, playing in a title winning-team, the player in this position gets around 6.6 to 6.9 in most games, even when he gets the job done. I tried to change the role to ball-winning midfielder, with the same results.

MC and RP - I have a love-hate relationship with these two positions. I have Lucas Romero and Gil Romero with Locatelli as backup and they both get a good goals/assists tally per season, but they shoot A LOT!!! I changed they instructions to shoot less often, but they still shoot around 5 to 9 times in almost every match. And only 20 to 40% is on target and most times none of then goes in. Not even the PPM 'looks for a pass instead of scoring' can save this. I had some cases of a midfielder shooting 7 or 8 times in a game, with one or even none going on target. It's forgettable when you have a good win, but infuriating when you don't win a match or don't score as much goals a you should.

IF - I have Balde Keita now and El Sharawaay before him and they get the job done. They don't score as much as I imagined they would do, as the best season I've seen there was El Sharawaay with 23 goals in 47 games, and never again I got close to that. But i'm pleased with the performances on this position.

W - I still have Bonaventura here, who despite looking a average player he became a icon in Milan and one of the best italian players in the game, even outperforming Konoplyanka in this role. Whoever plays in this role is the assist king in my squad, probably benefiting a little from the corner kick drill or the throw ins mentioned above, as the ball is passed to him and then he crosses to the box. Bonaventura reached the impressive tally of 39 assists in 48 games my last season, scoring 14 goals too and got the award for Best player in Europe, above Messi and Depay.

CF - Berardi is the king here. Scores from run-ins, headers, both feet and more. 138 goals in 150 matches for me and counting. In my first season i had pazzini there and he also had a great season. In my second I had Javier Hernandez there and despite scoring 28 goals in a season he lacked the aerial prowess that could make him score even more goals.
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Having used this tactic for endless amounts of season i agree completely with you. The Half Back never ends up with a good rating although if you watch the game he does sit and recycle possession and break play up quite often in my opinion. I think its extremely important the two central midfielders are very physical as well as can have a good long shot. If they lack either of them then it becomes a weak point in the team. The inside forward is meant to be your star man in terms of making things happen. he always cuts inside and grabs a goal or assist or is waiting at the back post for the right winger to stick a ball in. The striker also has to be very physical but also must be able to run with the ball and find teammates. Daniel Sturridge is the perfect fit for this as is Sterling for the inside forward. The entire Liverpool team fits this formation and tactic.
 
This is now my go to taxtic. A non 3 striker formation that actually works and is consistant. Using V2 loving it. Highly recommended
 
going t try with liverpool, IF AML depay and winger AMR sterling should be beast
 
I miss having a lone striker that scores goals with some consistency so will give it a go :)

Will it be wise to use a very attacking minded player at CM(a) like for example Ozil or Pastore?

Also, any particular position should take corner kicks? thanks
 
left corners LB - right corners RB

i use players in that order
striker role d.costa - drogba
roaming cm fabregas - oscar - baker
cm (automatic) ramires - loftus cheek
half back matic (very good) - obi.mikel
aml hazard - remy
amr cuadrado - willian
cbs terry (cahill) - zouma (ivanovic)

match training - defensive position
 
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kandersson said:
I miss having a lone striker that scores goals with some consistency so will give it a go :)

Will it be wise to use a very attacking minded player at CM(a) like for example Ozil or Pastore?

Also, any particular position should take corner kicks? thanks
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Ozil might be great as the roaming playmaker.. Normally I'd recommend having more physical players at CM, but I remember having great succes with Di Maria as the roaming playmaker actually. So I'd try Ozil.
 
VerZa said:
Ozil might be great as the roaming playmaker.. Normally I'd recommend having more physical players at CM, but I remember having great succes with Di Maria as the roaming playmaker actually. So I'd try Ozil.
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So if I have a No.10 type of midfielder (poor tackling and marking) he'd be better suited to play at roaming playmaker rather than CM (automatic)? Could you give me examples of 'perfect' fits for both positions and if there are different requirements for RPM and CM?

I guess the ideal scenario would be having two strong, well-rounded midfielders at both CM positions though I always tend to have a collection of No.10's in my squads :)

thanks!
 
kandersson said:
So if I have a No.10 type of midfielder (poor tackling and marking) he'd be better suited to play at roaming playmaker rather than CM (automatic)? Could you give me examples of 'perfect' fits for both positions and if there are different requirements for RPM and CM?

I guess the ideal scenario would be having two strong, well-rounded midfielders at both CM positions though I always tend to have a collection of No.10's in my squads :)

thanks!
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Like you said: Having two strong, well-rounded midfielders are the best option. Lucas Romero is amazing as RPM.
But I believe if you're a top-team like Barcelona, Real, Chelsea, Man United, Man City, Bayern etc.. Then the RPM can be a No. 10 type of player.

But I'd probably always choose the physically weakest player as the RPM, as I want the traditional CM to be flexible.. If I want to defend a lead during the last 20 minutes, I want to be able to change his mentality to defend or support. Or maybe substitute him for a more defensive-orientated player and then change his mentality.
I just try to use the squad I've got, and then see which players fit the most for the specific positions. But tbh. I always buy Lucas Romero, as I ******* love him :p

Atm I'm playing with Fulham. 8 games into my third season and dominating PL. Won the PL last season, after getting promoted from the Championship. My team is pretty decent already, as Fulham is rather wealthy.
 
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Thx for the tactic Verza, I tryed out with Swansea:

First season:

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Result:

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Team:

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Transfer:

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I most say it works very well, I found that the HB need some speed and technique in this tac, especaliy when it comes to attacking corner and you meet a team with fast strikers.

I think the the Right inside forward is much better then the teak to left inside. that ther are very few good Lb in the game compar to right.

i also add try more shots to the roaming playmaker, that gylfi and cabaye are good long shots players.

Thx for the tactic. will try it out i CL now.

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enjoying this tactic in serie B with San Marino, the striker really shines in this formation, getting lots of goals and assists. I'm surprised that the CM(au) also scores quite a lot despite using a DM type of player in that role!

curious to see the full potential of this when I get better players :)
 
kandersson said:
enjoying this tactic in serie B with San Marino, the striker really shines in this formation, getting lots of goals and assists. I'm surprised that the CM(au) also scores quite a lot despite using a DM type of player in that role!

curious to see the full potential of this when I get better players :)
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You have a San Marino save but no story? I am very disappointed haha
 
Safc-mad-scotty said:
You have a San Marino save but no story? I am very disappointed haha
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I am, too ;)

I thought I'd go very far with my New Zealand story, unfortunately that save became too frustrating due to bugs and league/club limitations...

I started a SM save, only played one full season and now in serie B... I don't think I'll do a story as I know I probably won't have enough time to play the 10-12 seasons needed to make the save entertaining! Though I have a playmaker/striker partnership made of two teenagers on loan from parent club Cesena that I absolutely love, both joined in first season and extended their loan spells for another year. Still the stars of my team, would be great to buy them and keep them in SM for all their career... as long as the sammarinese players suck!

The striker is really on fire in this formation

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