An [Amateur] Tactician's Chalkboard for FM11

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Too true, but some experts are 'high and mighty' and humility is a rare commodity.:)

I'll be back with some results soon.....

what i have been doing is taking PI's from threads like this testing them out if needs be changing editing them and just trying to learn how to make a good tactic again, i was pretty good in 11.0 all the way to 11.2 but the latest has just be a kick in the balls
 
Ok i get right to the point for some odd reason with my formation i can go so many games with out losing and go on such a great run of games and then this happens.

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So as you can see i can go about 6 games max untill i lose am not sure why and the most stupid thing is against teams we should beat why i dont know what is going on .

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This is the formation i use

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Any tips would be wellcome
 
Ok i get right to the point for some odd reason with my formation i can go so many games with out losing and go on such a great run of games and then this happens.

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So as you can see i can go about 6 games max untill i lose am not sure why and the most stupid thing is against teams we should beat why i dont know what is going on .

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This is the formation i use

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Any tips would be wellcome

Could be fatigue maybe try rotating abit more or possibly the players become complacent and take their foot off they are the only 2 things i can think of the results would suggest your tactic is sound
 
Ok i get right to the point for some odd reason with my formation i can go so many games with out losing and go on such a great run of games and then this happens.

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So as you can see i can go about 6 games max untill i lose am not sure why and the most stupid thing is against teams we should beat why i dont know what is going on .

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This is the formation i use

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Any tips would be wellcome

Losses happen, but the way you play invites counter-attacking far too easily for others to take advantage of. The defeats you have encountered away from home are due to you know really recognising the opponent as much of a threat as you already should. I will be writing an article on tackling away games, but you should take in account the advice your backroom staff give you, the scout report that comes along and the odds. They all swirl up into a conclusive background check on how you should set up.

Especially with your formation being a 4-3-1-2, you could easily subvert it into a 4-1-3-2 so that it counter-acts 4-4-2's 4-2-3-1's and 4-5-1's away from home. It would benefit you largely.
 
Well, personally, I would suggest a 4-2-3-1 - whether that be with defensive midfielders or central midfielders, it doesn't matter that much really as both can be used as primary or secondary formations in a rotational system. The 4-2-3-1 formation maintains possession, keeps direct control of the match and allows the team to basically attack whenever they feel best. Liverpool, on Football Manager, are more than capable of doing so and the players in their current crop (as they show now in real-life) under Dalglish.

It should have Andy Carroll as an Advanced Forward, but under the instructions of the 'modern Target Man, Suarez and Kuyt as wingers and either Steven Gerrard or Raul Meireles (an option nonetheless) as an attacking midfielder. Suggested roles for them are Suarez as an Inside Forward (Attack), Kuyt as a Defensive Winger or normal Winger (Both on Attack) and Raul Meireles as an Advanced Playmaker (Support) or as a Trequartista.

Then you could have Lucas and another midfielder, whoever you choose to be the 'destroyer - creator' midfield partnership that is often associated with the formation. Lucas could be a Deep-Lying Playmaker (Defend) and the other as a Ball-Winning Midfielder (Support or Defend, whichever). At the back, the usual, but would recommend one of your defenders as a Limited Defender and the other as a Ball-Playing Defender (Both on Defend duty) whilst the Full Backs are normal and play with Automatic duty.

As for the team instructions, the combinations of Fluid with Standard and Balanced with Counter help in both home and away games and against larger teams than yourself. Short passing, expressive creative freedom, mixed around with high closing down (Press More) and Default tackling would help. Zonal marking, Default crossing and Stick to Position. With Default tackling, I would suggest altering that individually so that it differs in the various thirds of the pitch. The same with Crossing. I would suggest one crosses to the Target Man (Supposedly the one with the better Crossing, Anticipation and Decisions attributes) and the other one to the Far Post. The full backs cross from deep and 'Hug the Touchline'.

I hope that's enough and you gain success from it.

Thanks mate I'll make a new one similar to this one, I made my own tactic yesterday with the modern fullbacks and Andy Carroll as a Target Man - Support with the modern Target Man instructions and put Suarez up as a Complete Forward - Attack, I bough a lot of players (I do that in the first season and then calm down) and I put in AML & AMR as Wingers - Attack those are Eden Hazard & Douglas Costa, both left footed but that's ok in my opinion, they're both naturally AMC's but I'm retraining them to AML & AMR (both accomplished in those positions), I have Steven Gerrard as an Adv. Playmaker - Attack in the MCL position and Lucas as a Ball Winning Midfielder - Support. The Modern Fullbacks are Aly Cissokho and Glen Johnson, then I have Sakho as a normal defender - cover and Phil Jones as a Ball Playing Defender - Stopper, it's still early but my first two games were against Skonto in the EC and I wont 0-4 away and 9-0 home.

Going to make another one with your instructions because I have enough dept in my squad for new tactics and it's always nice to give the AI a tactical surprise.

My squad:
GK: Reina, Alex Smithies, Brad Jones.
DR: Johnson, Sebastian Jung, Jordan Spence (P/Ex for Kyrgiakos).
DL: Cissokho, Aurelio, Wilson, Robinson.
Ball Playing DC: Phil Jones, Wilson, Carragher.
Covering DC: Sakho, Carragher, Wilson.

Ball Winning MC: Lucas, Gerrard, Meireles, Poulsen (He's going out next season lol)
Adv. Playmaker: Gerrard, Meireles, Cairney, Shelvey.

AMR: Douglas Costa, Kuyt, Gerrard, Joe Cole.
AML: Eden Hazard, Martin Zeman, Joe Cole, Vaclav Kadlec, Kuyt.

Target Man: Andy Carroll, Tomas Necid.
Complete Forward: Luis Suarez, Vaclav Kadlec.

I usually always change something in the player roles, so not all of the roles are in the default settings.
 
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Too true, but some experts are 'high and mighty' and humility is a rare commodity.:)

I'll be back with some results soon.....

Here we go then
tactics
Home
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Away - counter
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Some results
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Not really dominating any match but I'm still unbeaten. The home tactic has the defensive line high up but my DC's are quite slow McManus (pace 12), Bates (12), Spence (14). If I drop down the d-line should I alter anything else ?

Match prep is fluid besides mentality and passing (competent)

How does my set up look ?

Goalkeeper - defend
LB, RB Fullback automatic (tight mark)
DC Defend (Cover/stopper on counter)
DMCR DM defend
DMCL Deep play defend
AML/AMR Winger att (Soukuona still winger because he plays well and scores anyway)
AMC AMC Att
ST Deep Forward Att (chose this because it fits both boyd and mcdonald)
 
Somebody please answer to this question ... Wanna get the fun in the game back :)
 
Thanks mate I'll make a new one similar to this one, I made my own tactic yesterday with the modern fullbacks and Andy Carroll as a Target Man - Support with the modern Target Man instructions and put Suarez up as a Complete Forward - Attack, I bough a lot of players (I do that in the first season and then calm down) and I put in AML & AMR as Wingers - Attack those are Eden Hazard & Douglas Costa, both left footed but that's ok in my opinion, they're both naturally AMC's but I'm retraining them to AML & AMR (both accomplished in those positions), I have Steven Gerrard as an Adv. Playmaker - Attack in the MCL position and Lucas as a Ball Winning Midfielder - Support. The Modern Fullbacks are Aly Cissokho and Glen Johnson, then I have Sakho as a normal defender - cover and Phil Jones as a Ball Playing Defender - Stopper, it's still early but my first two games were against Skonto in the EC and I wont 0-4 away and 9-0 home.

Going to make another one with your instructions because I have enough dept in my squad for new tactics and it's always nice to give the AI a tactical surprise.

My squad:
GK: Reina, Alex Smithies, Brad Jones.
DR: Johnson, Sebastian Jung, Jordan Spence (P/Ex for Kyrgiakos).
DL: Cissokho, Aurelio, Wilson, Robinson.
Ball Playing DC: Phil Jones, Wilson, Carragher.
Covering DC: Sakho, Carragher, Wilson.

Ball Winning MC: Lucas, Gerrard, Meireles, Poulsen (He's going out next season lol)
Adv. Playmaker: Gerrard, Meireles, Cairney, Shelvey.

AMR: Douglas Costa, Kuyt, Gerrard, Joe Cole.
AML: Eden Hazard, Martin Zeman, Joe Cole, Vaclav Kadlec, Kuyt.

Target Man: Andy Carroll, Tomas Necid.
Complete Forward: Luis Suarez, Vaclav Kadlec.

I usually always change something in the player roles, so not all of the roles are in the default settings.

Sounds good. With that team, you should be able to gain some success.

Here we go then
tactics
Home
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Away - counter
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Some results
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Not really dominating any match but I'm still unbeaten. The home tactic has the defensive line high up but my DC's are quite slow McManus (pace 12), Bates (12), Spence (14). If I drop down the d-line should I alter anything else ?

Match prep is fluid besides mentality and passing (competent)

How does my set up look ?

Goalkeeper - defend
LB, RB Fullback automatic (tight mark)
DC Defend (Cover/stopper on counter)
DMCR DM defend
DMCL Deep play defend
AML/AMR Winger att (Soukuona still winger because he plays well and scores anyway)
AMC AMC Att
ST Deep Forward Att (chose this because it fits both boyd and mcdonald)

Don't play a high line if you have slow defenders. You will be caught up by quicker and technically-gifted wingers, especially from teams that are better than you, and therefore be exposed. It's like for example two John Terry's playing a high line. As much as they are good defenders, they would so easily be caught out. Only play a high line, for your team, if you are hoping to execute the offside trap frequently. And even that takes a lot. Concentration, Anticipation, Decisions and Acceleration attributes should be preferrably over 13/14.

Increase the tempo of your team slightly, but shorten the width a little more and reduce the time wasting by a few clicks. It's your home tactic, so you want to dominate but not pass the ball around when you could easily beat another team by 2-3 goals. Also, don't counter-attack at home unless you aren't favourites to win.

Change the passing style, on your away tactic, to Shorter, so that you don't lose possession very easily. Again, narrow the width and possibly focus the passing Down Both Flanks, rather than mixed. In spite of playing a 4-2-3-1.

In reference to your matches: It looks like, from your recent results, that your team isn't aggressive enough to comprehend with tough tackling. It's picking up way too many bookings when they shouldn't and thus, results in you losing leads or having to come back late. Best example was your 1-1 draw at home with Scunthorpe United. Could have easily put that game to bed but your team played far too aggressively and got into the referee's book four times. As much as you dominated, aggression held you back.

In terms of your player roles; Don't play the Stopper-Cover system away from home, or at all for that matter. You're exposing your defence for unnecessary reasons and it looks like the reason why you have conceded in every one of those screenshots. Leave it to normal. Play a Limited Defender in McManus possibly, due to his attributes in Aggression, Bravery, Concentration and Determination.

Unless one of your defensive midfielders is a playmaker, don't play a Deep Lying Playmaker, the Anchor Man-Defensive Midfielder combination is fine.
Starting to look like the same shambles

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Well, you can't expect roses and dasies all the time. You are going to suffer from bad performances inevitably. Moreover when you have started poorly and your team has to rapidly adjust into a new system.

thanks mate will give it ago in the up coming games :)

Looking forward to it.
 
Brilliant feedback mate, I get frustated because I don't know how or what to adjust when things go a.w.o.l.:D
 
im having a few issues with my defence and partly my def mid player with the oppo players simply running past my def and my def making no attempts at tackling stats wise (im in the championship) everything is atleast 13 with most of the defs stats around 14, another issue is that my def doesnt seem to be able to cope with balls over the top that easily though i believe if i drop my dline a notch or two that "should" sort it. any def help would be appreciated
 
Brilliant feedback mate, I get frustated because I don't know how or what to adjust when things go a.w.o.l.:D

Not a problem, just hope people learn from some of the things that they have struggled with and that they become better at the game. Understanding it more.

im having a few issues with my defence and partly my def mid player with the oppo players simply running past my def and my def making no attempts at tackling stats wise (im in the championship) everything is atleast 13 with most of the defs stats around 14, another issue is that my def doesnt seem to be able to cope with balls over the top that easily though i believe if i drop my dline a notch or two that "should" sort it. any def help would be appreciated

Can you provide screenshots of your defence, with the overall team instructions, the defenders themselves, their roles and duties etc.
 
Not a problem, just hope people learn from some of the things that they have struggled with and that they become better at the game. Understanding it more.



Can you provide screenshots of your defence, with the overall team instructions, the defenders themselves, their roles and duties etc.
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theres my current team i didnt include the def mid as looking at analysis hes making quite a few vital headers/interceptions
 
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Changed the tactics as you suggested

Results
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Matches
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Understanding more ? That got me thinking, what is the difference between you spoon feeding me alterations and me just downloading a tactic ? I've played FM 11 for 5-6 months now and I'm still ****** useless at tactics.

In FM 08 I took Bury from L2 to premeir champions (6 times in a row) and CL champions (5 times in a row) in 22 seasons. In FM 11 I couldn't win a one ticket lottery.

Thanks again for taking the time.
 
Understanding more ? That got me thinking, what is the difference between you spoon feeding me alterations and me just downloading a tactic ? I've played FM 11 for 5-6 months now and I'm still ****** useless at tactics.

In FM 08 I took Bury from L2 to premeir champions (6 times in a row) and CL champions (5 times in a row) in 22 seasons. In FM 11 I couldn't win a one ticket lottery.

Thanks again for taking the time.

By being spoon fed alterations you should be learning how this stuff all works and eventually you should be able to apply everything you are learning now without having to be spoon fed. What's the point of spoon feeding a baby? Besides them not having the motor skills, they are learning.
 
By being spoon fed alterations you should be learning how this stuff all works and eventually you should be able to apply everything you are learning now without having to be spoon fed. What's the point of spoon feeding a baby? Besides them not having the motor skills, they are learning.

The difference is a baby learns more in it's early years than I will in the rest of my life. It's just me feeling inadequate in fm 11 after being a star in fm 08. But thanks for calling me a baby, I'm usually called an old fart !
 
The difference is a baby learns more in it's early years than I will in the rest of my life. It's just me feeling inadequate in fm 11 after being a star in fm 08. But thanks for calling me a baby, I'm usually called an old fart !

i know exactly how you feel i only ever ask for help when i have no idea how to do it myself or what i thought was correct ends up being rubbish
 
No. If he's not there in the first place, then it can't happen - so therefore it's set to Rarely.
i dont get it, as a deep lying striker's run from deep is sometimes, that means he will stay deep, doesnt it?
 
i dont get it, as a deep lying striker's run from deep is sometimes, that means he will stay deep, doesnt it?

my understanding is run from deep is run with the ball from deep so how often the player will go on runs from his own box to the other thats my understanding so it could be wrong
 
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