Who's demonising religion? I'm merely pointing out the flaws in a statement.
Do you Believe In God
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Who's demonising religion? I'm merely pointing out the flaws in a statement.
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John Lennox, arguably the greatest modern day philosopher/mathematician, believes in god. In his debates with Richard Dawkins and Christopher Hitchens, two of the most respected scientists/philosophers right now, he has left them embarrassed.
http://johnlennox.org/index.php/en/
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So all faith is ignorant? So if you are married, and have faith in your wife, are you ignorant?
No, you have reason to have faith. All faith is not blind faith, that's a fallacy that I've been hearing a lot lately.
http://johnlennox.org/index.php/en/
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So all faith is ignorant? So if you are married, and have faith in your wife, are you ignorant?
No, you have reason to have faith. All faith is not blind faith, that's a fallacy that I've been hearing a lot lately.
Do you have a link to a video/audio/transcript of those debates they'd be interesting to look into.
That's a different definition of faith, the faith which I defined is what I was referring too as ignorance.
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I simply don't know lol 
Sometimes i think that it's good to believe in God, other times i think religion is a terrible thing. 
Im on a gap between believing in God and being Atheist. I never go to church, read the bible or do any religious stuff.
Sometimes i think that it's good to believe in God, other times i think religion is a terrible thing. Im on a gap between believing in God and being Atheist. I never go to church, read the bible or do any religious stuff.And if you look hard enough he also states he is not an athiest. " I'm not an atheist and I don't think I can call myself a pantheist. " and " I want to know how God created this world. I'm not interested in this or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know His thoughts; the rest are details." also "What I am really interested in, is knowing whether God could have created the world in a different way; in other words, whether the requirement of logical simplicity admits a margin of freedom." If he did not think there was a god then he would not use him in his quotes.
I didn't say he was an atheist. I said he wasn't religious.
The reason why Einstein regularly used God in his quotes is to allow him to extrapolate on ideas with less hassle. God is a useful catch all term for a creator. On top of that, he was generally talking to theists, and he recognised that they may not agree with his ideas. God is a way of breaking down barriers, he said.
And what I actually said is he was open to both science and religion. I did not say he believed in a religion.!!!!! Jeez now who is being pedantic. In fact he respected the God of Spinoza. Im done with this as people take too many things out of context.
Apologies. I thought you'd written "Einstein was a religious person", which really ****** me off. In which case, you're right, and this was a waste of time.
Apologies again.
godcubed, checked the figures, and youre right.i retract my statment. but hitlers purge of the jews was less to do with religion and more to do his belief that they were we behindd the "downfall" of germany earlier in the century
Of course. But they're JEWS. And therefore a religious group. He was blaming a religious group for the downfall of Imperial Germany, therefore turning it into a religious war/massacre.
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no he talked of them as a race. he hated them as a care not a religion, look at some of the bile he spouts. its about the jewish peple, the jewish race not the religion. actually im gona leave it here because were gonna get into an off topic debate about hitler
I thought it was both the race and religion? But you're right, we're already broken Godwin's Law.
Why are we still trying to turn people here? Hitler's war had nothing to do with religion. Einstein's views on the existence of God are no more valid than mine or yours. And, if, as some people have stated, God is a simple no, then why does this debate wrangle on thousands of years after the idea was conceived? There is no simple answer. That’s why, in the year 2010, this thread has been made.
The thread asks -- Do you believe in God? Not -- Can you validate the bible? The bible is a man made interpretation of events that may or may not have happened. God (or a / the divine being), is a separate issue all together.
I don't understand why non-believers call the believers 'ignorant', 'stupid', blah. blah, blah... Are we stupid because a scientist said God doesn’t exist? In itself, that’s a pretty stupid reason to call someone ignorant, seeing as science is often wrong itself and regularly changes it’s mind. As I said earlier, the great man Einstein believed the universe was static so he was not (by any means) an ‘all seeing eye’.
No one is ignorant and no one is stupid -- we know the tiniest fraction of what the universe is capable of -- so how we can we possibly know what started it off?
The thread asks -- Do you believe in God? Not -- Can you validate the bible? The bible is a man made interpretation of events that may or may not have happened. God (or a / the divine being), is a separate issue all together.
I don't understand why non-believers call the believers 'ignorant', 'stupid', blah. blah, blah... Are we stupid because a scientist said God doesn’t exist? In itself, that’s a pretty stupid reason to call someone ignorant, seeing as science is often wrong itself and regularly changes it’s mind. As I said earlier, the great man Einstein believed the universe was static so he was not (by any means) an ‘all seeing eye’.
No one is ignorant and no one is stupid -- we know the tiniest fraction of what the universe is capable of -- so how we can we possibly know what started it off?
Except that's ****, because that's mostly what happened during the Dark and Medieval ages.
Well its because you believe in something with no evidence to support, its not healthy for human evolution to have that rationale.
To me its no different than still believing in Thor, Horas or Zues, if I had faith in any of these ancient gods people would think I was crazy, believing in Yahew, Allah etc is just as crazy
A few short videos worth watching
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDHJ4ztnldQ&feature=player_embedded#!
YouTube- An Atheist Meets God - An atheist meets god
Well to believe it something it cannot be proven one way or another, hence believing. You speak of healty evolution and rationale thinking saying religion is not good for either, But it the last 2000 years, human have evolved had rationale thinkers. in that time the main popularity of this planet was religious, it didnt harm evolution or rationale thinking then no more then we have irrationale thinkers now.