Do you Believe In God

[matthew.thomas]

Pot, kettle, black? You said to Chris his female housemates were slaves!
Also you criticise 'non-believers' for preaching when you appear to be preaching yourself, massive contradiction. Someone makes a point about God being a fantasy and you then rant about how he isn't responsible for free will. So people are preaching to you about the lack of God and you preach back about his existence. If it winds you up that much perhaps it's best not to participate in a forum entitled 'do you believe in God?'. Everyone is entitled to an opinion Scott, and by definition an opinion can neither be right nor wrong.

Some lad also made a point like 'why does God let people die?' You didn't really answer that, instead you avoided the question and focused on murder/rape etc and free will. Perhaps your best argument to this would be what would happen if he didn't allow people to die? The fact we would become over-populated. Also we are only animals, just like cats or dogs and they have a limited life span. Even the sun has a life span and isn't immortal as an object.

 

[donkarlito]

but I believe it does explain why there's no need for a creator

Are you not saying there is no need for a creator. Therefore, there can be no God. God is most often conceived of as the supernatural creator and overseer of the universe.

Hypothetically speaking if someone created a new universe should they not be called God

 

[alyndavies]

1) Do you Believe In God

No I believe in the "God particle" that created the universe and made matter solid. Something had to create the Universe as we know it, as I understand it there is no centre of the univers as you would expect at the centre of the explosion the whole thing appeared at once, so I wonder what is the universe inside.

2) Are you Religious

No my family is a mix of christians and muslims, im christian my partner is muslim both my children are muslims, but none of us goto church or mosque. In my opinion christianity is far to commercialised its more about taking your money than finding answers. Thats why the religion is dying and Islam is displacing christianity all around europe as the main religion.

3) Why ?

I dont think the answer lies in ancient myths that were used to explain what science can partially explain. There are still a lot of blanks but they are being answered. But I dont believe in any kind of after life certainly not a guy in a white robe with a beard sitting on a cloud when I kick the bucket.

 

[Halbard]

Chuck Norris doesn't believe in God, God believes in Chuck Norris ^^)

Nuff said.

Also, i shall quote Nietzsche

There cannot be a God because if there were one, I could not believe that I was not He.

 

[Nixon]

The only people I know that believe in Santa Claus are kids aged 7 and under and its used so kids will behave so they can get the present, I dont know of any adult that believes in Santa Clause. I find it funny your using the "Belief of Santa Claus" and compare against the likes of Christianity, Islam, Hinduism bit insulting dont you think?

No it's not insulting. Both are beliefs in something that has no evidence to prove that it exists.

 

[Joel`]

Are you not saying there is no need for a creator. Therefore, there can be no God. God is most often conceived of as the supernatural creator and overseer of the universe.

Hypothetically speaking if someone created a new universe should they not be called God

Don't quote half of what I said to try and make it look like I meant something else, thanks. Lets look at my actual quote in full:

Stephen Hawking: 'because there is a law such as gravity, the universe can and will create itself from nothing.'

Religious people say God must be the uncaused cause, why? Why can Gravity not be the uncaused cause? Or something else we're yet to discover. I won't even begin to understand M-theory, there's only around 1000 people on the planet who do understand it fully, but I believe it does explain why there's no need for a creator, there are just a lot of holes in the theory to fill.

I believe that the theory explains the non-need for a creator. In no way, shape or form does that say "I believe in M-theory, it is fact."

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So everyone is saying my Santa Claus versus God argument is either insulting or nonsense, yet no one has offered an explanation on why they can differentiated? Interesting that. Is it because you've been taught that Santa is false, and that you've been taught that religious views have truth in them?

If we look at what I'm saying Mathematically:

X represents zero evidence. S = No Santa. G = No God.

So, we're accepting that there's zero evidence for Santa, thus there is no Santa. Therefore, X = S. And then there's no evidence for God, and if there is some I'd love to see it, I'll fly to the Vatican and convert immediately. Therefore, X = G. Since X = S and X = G, G = S.

I've now explained the concept numerous times with different phrasing, and in terms of Maths. I'm really failing to see why it's being dismissed so readily.

 

[19-11-08]

Santa Claus and god aren't the same.
There is lots of concrete proof Santa Claus probably doesn't exist.
What proof is there that god doesn't exist?

 

[donkarlito]

No it's not insulting. Both are beliefs in something that has no evidence to prove that it exists.

Believing in Santa Claus and believing in god through Christianity is hardly the same

 

[Joel`]

Santa Claus and god aren't the same.
There is lots of concrete proof Santa Claus probably doesn't exist.
What proof is there that god doesn't exist?

What evidence is there Santa Claus doesn't exist?

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Believing in Santa Claus and believing in god through Christianity is hardly the same

I've shown it multiple times now, tell me WHY they're not the same thing, and my argument is gone, but all you are doing is telling me they aren't the same thing, based on nothing.

 

[GodCubed]

The only people I know that believe in Santa Claus are kids aged 7 and under and its used so kids will behave so they can get the present, I dont know of any adult that believes in Santa Clause. I find it funny your using the "Belief of Santa Claus" and compare against the likes of Christianity, Islam, Hinduism bit insulting dont you think?

Whereas Jesus is believed in by many people around the world, and used so that people will behave so they will get their present (heaven). Parallels much?

Santa Claus and god aren't the same.
There is lots of concrete proof Santa Claus probably doesn't exist.
What proof is there that god doesn't exist?

What proof is there Santa doesn't exist?

 

[19-11-08]

What evidence is there Santa Claus doesn't exist?

Santa claus as in the man who brings christmas presents to all the good children in the world.
How about this:
Most parents in the world admit to buying christmas presents for their children with no involvement of santa claus. Satellites would have picked up on him flying through the air. Etc.

 

[Nixon]

Believing in Santa Claus and believing in god through Christianity is hardly the same

Why is it different? As I've said before, and Joel' has more eloquently explained, both beliefs have to evidence to prove they are correct. If I believed in Santa Claus, I would be considered mad and nobody would take me seriously. Why does believing in God, when there is no evidence to suggest that God exists, mean any different? To me, believing in anything without proof is just illogical. But I suppose I'd better finish this post off with the usual sentence about letting people believe what they want.

 

[GodCubed]

Santa claus as in the man who brings christmas presents to all the good children in the world.
How about this:
Most parents in the world admit to buying christmas presents for their children with no involvement of santa claus. Satellites would have picked up on him flying through the air. Etc.

Whereas god is the man who brings the promise of the present of an afterlife to good people in the world.

How about this:
God has never been seen, yet apparently lives somewhere "up there" considering people point to the clouds in remembrance of others. Satellites would have picked up on him existing in the air.

 

[donkarlito]

Don't quote half of what I said to try and make it look like I meant something else, thanks. Lets look at my actual quote in full:




I believe that the theory explains the non-need for a creator. In no way, shape or form does that say "I believe in M-theory, it is fact."

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So everyone is saying my Santa Claus versus God argument is either insulting or nonsense, yet no one has offered an explanation on why they can differentiated? Interesting that. Is it because you've been taught that Santa is false, and that you've been taught that religious views have truth in them?

If we look at what I'm saying Mathematically:

X represents zero evidence. S = No Santa. G = No God.

So, we're accepting that there's zero evidence for Santa, thus there is no Santa. Therefore, X = S. And then there's no evidence for God, and if there is some I'd love to see it, I'll fly to the Vatican and convert immediately. Therefore, X = G. Since X = S and X = G, G = S.

I've now explained the concept numerous times with different phrasing, and in terms of Maths. I'm really failing to see why it's being dismissed so readily.

How can Math prove there is no God thats clutching at straws a bit ?

http://www.alwaysbeready.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=138&Itemid=0

Read that without being 100% Atheist and then think why people could believe in god as there are big names question gods exist

 

[Joel`]

Santa claus as in the man who brings christmas presents to all the good children in the world.
How about this:
Most parents in the world admit to buying christmas presents for their children with no involvement of santa claus. Satellites would have picked up on him flying through the air. Etc.

You're saying it's not possible for Santa to have technology to hide him from interfering with satellites? If you're denying it, prove it. The first line wouldn't even qualify as evidence, and it would be far from concrete. You've denied the existence of the role he performs, not the man himself.

I can dismiss prayer not working, but that doesn't dismiss God being non-real, right? This analogy again shows why if you dismiss Santa you dismiss God, so I'm still yet to see how they are separate.

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How can Math prove there is no God thats clutching at straws a bit ?

http://www.alwaysbeready.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=138&Itemid=0

Read that without being 100% Atheist and then think why people could believe in god as there are big names question gods exist

That's not what the Maths is proving, it was a demonstration of the fact if you deny Santa is real you are denying God is real.

I read the first sentence of that link and wasn't going to read again, what every religious person states as proof. Firstly, it is not evidence in the slightest, extremely biased and misleading of them to word it in such way. You're asking questions that Science doesn't yet have the answer too, but Science will continue with the Scientific Method to find the answers, as it has done to make every single discovery about our world today. Religion will continue to explain the current unexplainable in an unexplainable way.

 

[donkarlito]

Why is it different? As I've said before, and Joel' has more eloquently explained, both beliefs have to evidence to prove they are correct. If I believed in Santa Claus, I would be considered mad and nobody would take me seriously. Why does believing in God, when there is no evidence to suggest that God exists, mean any different? To me, believing in anything without proof is just illogical. But I suppose I'd better finish this post off with the usual sentence about letting people believe what they want.

Santa Claus is for kids as is the Tooth Fairy. Also I think believing in God has been around alot longer than believing Santa Claus

 

[Lol_101]

in the end, its all about RESPECT. whether ur religious or not, respecting is vital for everyone's good.

amore better question: the big bang theory or adam and eve story.

choose.

 

[GodCubed]

Santa Claus is for kids as is the Tooth Fairy. Also I think believing in God has been around alot longer than believing Santa Claus

You don't get it. Why is Santa for kids and god not? Essentially, they're so similar they might as well be regarded as the same person.

Also, if I spend 6000 years believing bacon is a vegetable, does that make it more true? Longevity of belief has nothing to do with the acceptability.

 

[Average Joe]

I'm 22 years old and some years ago I sat on Santas knee in his grotto sooo.... proof?

Well, I say 'years' it was about a month back....

 

[19-11-08]

Whereas god is the man who brings the promise of the present of an afterlife to good people in the world.

How about this:
God has never been seen, yet apparently lives somewhere "up there" considering people point to the clouds in remembrance of others. Satellites would have picked up on him existing in the air.

God is supposedly all-knowing and all-powerful. If he doesn't want to be detected, he won't.

There is a pretty clear difference between Santa Claus and God. Santa claus as in the red coat wearing, reindeer riding myth guy ( as opposed to Saint Nicholas) has never been claimed to be an all powerful being who would be able to avoid our detection. So the fact he has never been seen or picked up on a satellite is proof he probably doesn't exist.

I'm using the word probably because whatever piece of evidence i think up you can just find an elaborate explanation to explain why he still exists. You can never prove the non-existence of anything but the difference is there is lots of evidence santa probably doesn't exist whereas there isn't with god because by definition of him being all-powerful there would be no way to prove he probably doesn't exist.