donkarlito
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Hi everyone im trying to implement this seasons formation into football manager after spending most fm 2011 trying to create a Barcelonaesque style of play I fancied a change for my last save game before fm 2012 and United I think have been really impressive so far.
So Lets begin...
I will be using Zonalmarking as a reference to help but into FM
"Ferguson’s flexible front four hints at a return to the fluidity of 2008"
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To me looking at the picture it looks like a 4-4-2 with 2 dm's instead of mc's
Quote
"It was interesting to see, then, that Ferguson chose to use a 4-4-2ish system with much more flexibility. Young and Nani can both play either side – Young started on the left, Nani on the right – but both came inside quickly and linked up with the front players. The key was the positioning and movement of the front two. Neither stayed high up the pitch against the Manchester City centre-backs – Welbeck came deep, primarily to pick up Nigel de Jong, whilst Rooney played something of a false nine role. Therefore, United were roughly 4-4-2, and yet had no true strikers – instead, Rooney and Welbeck linked seamlessly with Nani and Young, whilst Vincent Kompany and Joleon Lescott struggled to cut out their passing. When those been drawn up the pitch, any of United’s front four could make runs in behind."
Reading this Young and Nani are to me wingers that cut inside. Rooney's false nine role well I have been using a tweaked trequartista, ask for Welbeck he is described as a fast striker so im guessing advanced forward possibly with lower mentality maybe man marking opposition holding mid??
Pic of front 4 movements
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Vs Tottenham
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Vs Arsenal
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Looking at the two pictures, first against Tottenham both Anderson and Cleverley are level with possible given the task of taking in turns who picks up VDV. D-line looks deep possible to stop Defoe's pace and it looks narrow.
Arsenal game again looks narrow to me, high line to stop Arsenal from passing the ball.
So far I have got this
View attachment 193685
4-4-2 with to DMs
Fluid
Control or Attacking depending on opposition
Short
More Expressive
Default (Gary Neville said "united like to let the opposition play"
Default
Man ??
Drill crossing ??
More roaming
D-line changes depending on the other team
Narrow width
I have put tempo in the middle with time wasting set to rarely ??
Counter attacking always ticked
Player roles
Gk-Gk
RB - Fullback auto ?
CB's - Central def
LB - Wingback auto
DMRC - Deep-lying playmaker - Def
DMLC - Def mid - sup
MR - Winger att - cut inside
ML - same as above
STLC - false nine (tweaked TQ)
STRC - advance fwd (tweaked)
So what do guys think any advice would be brillant?
*TESTING ONLY*
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View attachment 193724
The 4-2-3-1 shape is for big games like when SAF uses a 4-5-1 or more recently 4-4-1-1
There is one tweak role which is the "false 9 role" thats it
So Lets begin...
I will be using Zonalmarking as a reference to help but into FM
"Ferguson’s flexible front four hints at a return to the fluidity of 2008"
View attachment 193681
To me looking at the picture it looks like a 4-4-2 with 2 dm's instead of mc's
Quote
"It was interesting to see, then, that Ferguson chose to use a 4-4-2ish system with much more flexibility. Young and Nani can both play either side – Young started on the left, Nani on the right – but both came inside quickly and linked up with the front players. The key was the positioning and movement of the front two. Neither stayed high up the pitch against the Manchester City centre-backs – Welbeck came deep, primarily to pick up Nigel de Jong, whilst Rooney played something of a false nine role. Therefore, United were roughly 4-4-2, and yet had no true strikers – instead, Rooney and Welbeck linked seamlessly with Nani and Young, whilst Vincent Kompany and Joleon Lescott struggled to cut out their passing. When those been drawn up the pitch, any of United’s front four could make runs in behind."
Reading this Young and Nani are to me wingers that cut inside. Rooney's false nine role well I have been using a tweaked trequartista, ask for Welbeck he is described as a fast striker so im guessing advanced forward possibly with lower mentality maybe man marking opposition holding mid??
Pic of front 4 movements
View attachment 193682
Vs Tottenham
View attachment 193684
Vs Arsenal
View attachment 193683
Looking at the two pictures, first against Tottenham both Anderson and Cleverley are level with possible given the task of taking in turns who picks up VDV. D-line looks deep possible to stop Defoe's pace and it looks narrow.
Arsenal game again looks narrow to me, high line to stop Arsenal from passing the ball.
So far I have got this
View attachment 193685
4-4-2 with to DMs
Fluid
Control or Attacking depending on opposition
Short
More Expressive
Default (Gary Neville said "united like to let the opposition play"
Default
Man ??
Drill crossing ??
More roaming
D-line changes depending on the other team
Narrow width
I have put tempo in the middle with time wasting set to rarely ??
Counter attacking always ticked
Player roles
Gk-Gk
RB - Fullback auto ?
CB's - Central def
LB - Wingback auto
DMRC - Deep-lying playmaker - Def
DMLC - Def mid - sup
MR - Winger att - cut inside
ML - same as above
STLC - false nine (tweaked TQ)
STRC - advance fwd (tweaked)
So what do guys think any advice would be brillant?
*TESTING ONLY*
View attachment 193723
View attachment 193724
The 4-2-3-1 shape is for big games like when SAF uses a 4-5-1 or more recently 4-4-1-1
There is one tweak role which is the "false 9 role" thats it
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