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Alcaraz said:
Of course big name does not always equate with success but I think the basic point is, you have greater chance of succeeding with a big name. Maybe someone like Howe can do a job, maybe he cannot. But look at the dressing rook currently. They may have liked Hodgson but they obviously never respected him as a manager and ignored his tactical instructions on the pitch. You have this bunch of big egos who will eat someone like Howe alive. You need a big name experienced manager to come in and impose his authority without veering into authoritarianism like Capello.
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While I do not necessarily agree I have not kept up with this thread so you may have already ansered this question so apologies if so, who would you like to get the job mate?
 
epic terrorist said:
While I do not necessarily agree I have not kept up with this thread so you may have already ansered this question so apologies if so, who would you like to get the job mate?
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I honestly do not know but I think the English managerial pool is incredibly underwhelming and appointing English managed just because he is English is a route to disaster. I am happy to be proved wrong though!
 
Alcaraz said:
I honestly do not know but I think the English managerial pool is incredibly underwhelming and appointing English managed just because he is English is a route to disaster. I am happy to be proved wrong though!
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Yeah I get you there, I mean even if we did go foreign the pool isn't great either, I think what is more alarming then anything is the lack of top class managers coming out and saying they want the job.
 
Alcaraz said:
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Yes I do not agree with your views because they seem arbitrary. You are more than happy to have foreign players and manager at Liverpool and even call a German who has been there for a few months the new Shankly. Therefore, I see no reason why you should have an issue with England having a foreign manager as long as he understands and appreciates English football and the culture that goes along with it. A point which you did skip over since you asked me to pray tell.

Keep the snarkiness away Scouse.....
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Dude, aside from the fact we've had this discussion and you know full well my views on an International manager being a National of that Country (International football being COMPLETELY different to club football), and you just being as argumentative as all **** to keep answering (as you were the pother day by refusing to acknowledge any response that didn't fit and still running with the no answer B/S); the last line there ..... Practice what you preach. Seriously, go play silly beggars with someone that will indulge you.

And now this needs leaving COMPLETELY alone as I'm sure it's boring the living **** out of everyone.
 
Tyton said:
Anyhow, this randomly poped on YouTube, and I think it was spot on. .....
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Yeah, with respect, the views of someone that could never give a flying **** about his Country outside of a competitive game, jibbing out of most every friendly through his career with one B/S injury excuse to the next; in a discussion on other International players attitudes is not something anyone should give much of any credence to.
 
Scouseinthehouse said:
Yeah, with respect, the views of someone that could never give a flying **** about his Country outside of a competitive game, jibbing out of most every friendly through his career with one B/S injury excuse to the next; in a discussion on other International players attitudes is not something anyone should give much of any credence to.
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What are weird thing to say. He could have easily played for England instead and would've probably won the World Cup, since left winger is the only thing Golden Generation were missing to be an unstoppable team. Instead he opted for Wales, knowing all well that he signs up for decades of misery.

But that's besides the point. That one phrase he says: "I didn't want to be famous, I wanted to be successful". That nails down the entire problem. Its the whole celebrity culture in English football that's out of whack.

You sing up for a club, suddenly you become 100x more rich than everyone you've ever met. People worship the ground you walk on, whole world is cuddling you. Then you get called up for NT, and suddenly 500 ton of media pressure drop on you like a hammer. It's no wonder these guys crumble.
 
Tyton said:
What are weird thing to say. He could have easily played for England instead and would've probably won the World Cup, since left winger is the only thing Golden Generation were missing to be an unstoppable team. Instead he opted for Wales, knowing all well that he signs up for decades of misery.... .
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64 caps he had in a 16 year International career. Ridiculously low for the first name on the team sheet. Why? Because friendly Internationals were beneath him. I believe the figures are 50 or so he pulled out of. ****, it took him missing 18 straight friendlies whilst gaining 25 caps in competitive game before he was finally shamed into turning up for one. ****, he's Utd's record appearance holder isn't he with over 900 games for them. Wales was always a distant second to Giggs.

You want to talk about what a great player he was and how dedicated to his craft to be the best he was within that right through at Utd I'll listen to you all day.

But the point still stands he didn't care much at all about Wales and he isn't worth listening to IMO when it comes to talking about other players attitudes toward playing for their Country.
 
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Scouseinthehouse said:
64 caps he had in a 16 year International career. Ridiculously low for the first name on the team sheet. Why? Because friendly Internationals were beneath him. I believe the figures are 50 or so he pulled out of. ****, it took him missing 18 straight friendlies whilst gaining 25 caps in competitive game before he was finally shamed into turning up for one. ****, he's Utd's record appearance holder isn't he with over 900 games for them. Wales was always a distant second to Giggs.

You want to talk about what a great player he was and how dedicated to his craft to be the best he was within that right through at Utd I'll listen to you all day.

But the point still stands he didn't care much at all about Wales and he isn't worth listening to IMO when it comes to talking about other players attitudes toward playing for their Country.
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Giggs makes a good point, but you can't listen to him talk...because he was skipping meaningless games 20 years ago? That makes no sense whatsoever.

And seriously, how many teenage sensations of English football had their careers broken due to being overplayed when they were young? We can all probably print out a list. 3 games a week since 17, league, cups, qualifiers, friendliers, pre-season tours, charity games, testimonials, all year long, and suddenly their legs start going in their mid 20s.

Nothing wrong with playing it smart and taking care of your health.
 
I think Wenger would be fantastic for England and far better than what we deserve quite frankly. In terms of calbire as an international manager and knowing the English game you can't get any better.

However I still have a preference for someone like Eddie Howe, yes he isn't perfect but I feel the players would relate to someone like him with his brand of football and he would give it a good go without going out with a wimper like Hodgson.

It will never happen but Howe deserves a look in.
 
FFS big Sam just been confirmed on SSN to have a meeting in the coming days for the England job. Well **** me sideways, what's the obsession with have an English manager? We will continue to be laughing stocks at tournaments and the FA are a joke. I'm sure they said they would appoint the best manager possible for the job. :(
 
Turns out I was wrong

There’s no embarrassment. We never took our chances and they took theirs. The second leg will be different.Celtic manager Brendan Rodgers

Losing to part timers is not [FONT=Helvetica, Arial, freesans, sans-serif]embarrassing[/FONT] for Celtic
 
Theatre of dreams said:
FFS big Sam just been confirmed on SSN to have a meeting in the coming days for the England job. Well **** me sideways, what's the obsession with have an English manager? We will continue to be laughing stocks at tournaments and the FA are a joke. I'm sure they said they would appoint the best manager possible for the job. :(
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Baffles me as well but some people will just insist on an English manager for no rhyme or reason
 
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