GOOAALL-262-FM13.3.3 by Jesaustralia - The best tactic I've seen for FM13

[mcbgun]

I have 4-5 players who can play anchorman, and to be honest those I don't always develop a ppm for an anchorman, but if generic anchorman saids that then develop those if you can, I like all my dm types to be creative as well, for me its not as simple as a 1 type development my dms are allrounders as well, and an anchorman I would probably start out with defensive midfielder training for a few seasons, then deep laying playmaker then anchor man and maybe finish it off with with box to box

Hope this helps you

cheers

It does indeed! I kind of got the feeling having watched the team playing closely that the anchorman was playing a bit more fluently. I have Etuhu playing there in my Blackburn side (I'll reveal how the first season went in the championship when I finish it over the next few days). He has short simple passes and dives into tackles as PPMs and tends to average around 7.0 per game which is spot on as it's the least flashy role of the team I believe.

One last question as per my initial post....what pitch size for home games to use? I've got standard size for Blackburn selected. Is bigger better or smaller more ideal?

 

[jesaustralia]

It does indeed! I kind of got the feeling having watched the team playing closely that the anchorman was playing a bit more fluently. I have Etuhu playing there in my Blackburn side (I'll reveal how the first season went in the championship when I finish it over the next few days). He has short simple passes and dives into tackles as PPMs and tends to average around 7.0 per game which is spot on as it's the least flashy role of the team I believe.

One last question as per my initial post....what pitch size for home games to use? I've got standard size for Blackburn selected. Is bigger better or smaller more ideal?

McBGun - What version do you use?

Pitch dimensions 105x68 I think this is normal, I check at start of next season

Anchorman examples I use:
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Ludo's PPM's
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I will say it is a less flashy role but nevertheless a very important one, its both a defensive ball winner but also a type that recycles possession. As I have said earlier I like to make the dm types more allrounders meaning that they can also play the CM/Creative Ballwinner position in case of injuries. And not all the players I get to specialize with PPM's. If you have a faster ball playing defender for me usually the DCR its not a bad idea to also retrain him to be able to play DM/Anchorman in case of injuries.

I just sold my star striker from last season 21 years old Ferrand he scored I think it was 64 goals last season Chelsea bought him for 51 million pounds I have plenty of striker talent, infact I have a striker with bigger potential and even faster and a super dribbler as well + he is a spaniard which count well in Europe when registering he looks like this
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And...my 2 new goal machines Coco 100 million pounds and Obem 31 million pounds
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I wanna give some thought to match preparation training in my tactics its recommended to use attacking movement, but now I'm doubting this, I actually use team work currently I don't know if I will go away from team work even if I get team gel level Die for each other - I'm currently at extremely strong team blend. I believe that this is one of the most important things in FM13 Team Blend, when I get to die for each other I will change to attacking movement to see how they react, if anyone have any experience with this please tell about it. When I changed to team work away matches improved dramatically and also home matches

vs Racing no 7 in the league
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Vs. Sevilla no 2 in the league one of the best teams in spain
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So that happened when I changed to teamwork and makes me doubt whether I want to change away from that if it continues
I don't know what version people are using, but I have changed a little like very offensive sweeper keeper, I haven't seen any mistakes yet, but its still early on

Download Version 8 Here

Cheers!

 

[mcbgun]

I'm using the first version and sticking exactly to your instructions in the OP. Only thing I do is to change tackling to easy if I get a yellow card (basic stuff that really) and on the one occasion I got a straight red from someone I took off my poacher and played with my DLF and just adjusted my team so the formation was exactly the same minus 1 striker. Ended up scoring with 10 men and winning the game comfortably.

30 games gone of 46.....6 points clear with a game in hand....unbeaten in 31 games since losing first league of the season....all screenshots to follow with a summary of the season etc

 

[jesaustralia]

I'm using the first version and sticking exactly to your instructions in the OP. Only thing I do is to change tackling to easy if I get a yellow card (basic stuff that really) and on the one occasion I got a straight red from someone I took off my poacher and played with my DLF and just adjusted my team so the formation was exactly the same minus 1 striker. Ended up scoring with 10 men and winning the game comfortably.

30 games gone of 46.....6 points clear with a game in hand....unbeaten in 31 games since losing first league of the season....all screenshots to follow with a summary of the season etc

Version 1 most recommended, my new experiment with version 8 putting wingbacks on ML/MR is a bit to offensive for my taste meaning it creates alot of free space for the opponent strikers and wingers and conceede to much, but away from home it seemed improved thats whats puzzling me, but their is a fair bit of changes so I should maybe not call it version 8, but its related.

About 10 men play: What I do is I put SCR in the centre I actually think I take SCL into the centre, but right now it sounds better in my ears to take the deeplaying forward (SCR) into the centre and keep the midfield because they are the cornerstone too possession in version 1 & 2. This is a possession tactic more than anything else.

The strong midfield version I think is next to useless and is not recommended to use at all, I was never satisfied with it and I consider too delete it from this thread.

I'm really looking forward to see how you been going and when you post screenshots I will post them on the front page as well for people to see.

Cheers pal

 

[champion7891]

Version 1 most recommended, my new experiment with version 8 putting wingbacks on ML/MR is a bit to offensive for my taste meaning it creates alot of free space for the opponent strikers and wingers and conceede to much, but away from home it seemed improved thats whats puzzling me, but their is a fair bit of changes so I should maybe not call it version 8, but its related.

About 10 men play: What I do is I put SCR in the centre I actually think I take SCL into the centre, but right now it sounds better in my ears to take the deeplaying forward (SCR) into the centre and keep the midfield because they are the cornerstone too possession in version 1 & 2. This is a possession tactic more than anything else.

The strong midfield version I think is next to useless and is not recommended to use at all, I was never satisfied with it and I consider too delete it from this thread.

I'm really looking forward to see how you been going and when you post screenshots I will post them on the front page as well for people to see.

Cheers pal

Yeah, you are putting Wide Midfielders with Overload philosophy and have only 2 CBs, its suicide. Teams that play wingers and attacking fullbacks should murder you on the flanks. Basically you are instructing your team to bomb forward crazy and your are putting your widemen's starting position further forward which means they won't go back as much. Since your MCs are also at the same 'level' as your WMs, they won't be effective in helping out on the flanks.

The further forward your player starts, the less inclined he is defensively, no matter the philosophy. I've yet to see an AML/AMR do well/track back consistently but as Arigo sacchi's 442 shows moving a winger to ML/MR and MC to DM in an attacking philosophy does not negate the effectiveness of the attack and improves defensively.

IMO if you are going for overload and WMs then you should have 3 CBs like that Marcelo tactic.

If you want both overload and play with 2 CBs, you should move your WBs/WMs to FBs and go overload in a 4-1-3-2 formation like I suggested before. It should still be pretty attacking but the fullbacks will insure that they are not caught out defensively. Since your formation is quite wide, your CM's MCL & MCR should track back along the flanks, helping defensively and preventing doubling up.

 

[jesaustralia]

Yeah, you are putting Wide Midfielders with Overload philosophy and have only 2 CBs, its suicide. Teams that play wingers and attacking fullbacks should murder you on the flanks. Basically you are instructing your team to bomb forward crazy and your are putting your widemen's starting position further forward which means they won't go back as much. Since your MCs are also at the same 'level' as your WMs, they won't be effective in helping out on the flanks.

The further forward your player starts, the less inclined he is defensively, no matter the philosophy. I've yet to see an AML/AMR do well/track back consistently but as Arigo sacchi's 442 shows moving a winger to ML/MR and MC to DM in an attacking philosophy does not negate the effectiveness of the attack and improves defensively.

IMO if you are going for overload and WMs then you should have 3 CBs like that Marcelo tactic.

If you want both overload and play with 2 CBs, you should move your WBs/WMs to FBs and go overload in a 4-1-3-2 formation like I suggested before. It should still be pretty attacking but the fullbacks will insure that they are not caught out defensively. Since your formation is quite wide, your CM's MCL & MCR should track back along the flanks, helping defensively and preventing doubling up.

Yea version 8 is just an experiment it creates indoor soccer moments and I wanted to see how they react on the pitch and yes defensively it becomes unstable but offensively it is still good even away from home. Their is only one reason for me not to play with fullbacks and that is my widemen are specialized wingers and have immense quality offensively, but lack on the defensive play, so I think it would fail to position them all the way back at FB position, that doesn't mean I will not recommend it, but I think the offensive play will lack if pulling them back that far not to mention the amount of possession which is key in version 1
will probably be less.

I think key to version 1 is to get a team blend of Die for each other - any tactic actually, but I still think my version 1 tactic is the best looking tactic I've used for fm13 and that is mostly important for my fm13 experience, I wanna dominate possession I wanna play one twos's often I wanna see the players make through balls often and I wanna see midfielders dribble through the middle and shoot or create a chance and as far as defense goes possession is defence and 0.5 goals conceeded (19) in 38 matches is not bad in my opinion. I don't believe I have seen my best season yet, but that is a matter of team gel.

By the way I'm not suggesting this tactic to be the best tactic for fm13, but to get the most enjoyment on the pitch when you have a top team its probably one of the best looking ones. Best tactics is in Mr Langvatn thread - Arrigo Sacchi and I'm sure Marcelo is right up their. Tried all 3 and they are consistant with their tactics and plenty of people having enjoyed these tactics out their, but I enjoy my own more and proves consistant for me as well, but I won't rate it.

Cheers

 

[jesaustralia]

Yeah, you are putting Wide Midfielders with Overload philosophy and have only 2 CBs, its suicide. Teams that play wingers and attacking fullbacks should murder you on the flanks. Basically you are instructing your team to bomb forward crazy and your are putting your widemen's starting position further forward which means they won't go back as much. Since your MCs are also at the same 'level' as your WMs, they won't be effective in helping out on the flanks.

The further forward your player starts, the less inclined he is defensively, no matter the philosophy. I've yet to see an AML/AMR do well/track back consistently but as Arigo sacchi's 442 shows moving a winger to ML/MR and MC to DM in an attacking philosophy does not negate the effectiveness of the attack and improves defensively.

IMO if you are going for overload and WMs then you should have 3 CBs like that Marcelo tactic.

If you want both overload and play with 2 CBs, you should move your WBs/WMs to FBs and go overload in a 4-1-3-2 formation like I suggested before. It should still be pretty attacking but the fullbacks will insure that they are not caught out defensively. Since your formation is quite wide, your CM's MCL & MCR should track back along the flanks, helping defensively and preventing doubling up.

Is this what you are asking for?

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Download Click Here - GOOAALL-262-FM13.3.3 Inspired by champion7891.tac

If you try this tactic can you please give some feedback and tell us how it went, I haven't tried this myself yet, but I will give it a good shot. However my midfielders are not liking their new positions, but should act in the same offensive manner. The wingbacks have become fullbacks I have wingers in this position and I hope they will react well to the change both offensively and defensively, but I have my doubts. I need someone to test this for me with normal fullbacks perferably with defensive & offensive skills. DMCL/R are both dribblers same as the version 1 formation where they played MCR/L. I'm looking forward to try this and hope it will work. I think the idea by Champion was good and I implemented it. This should improve defence , but I don't know what it will do to possession and I don't know if I can use players who play out of position.

Cheers

 

[champion7891]

Is this what you are asking for?

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Download Click Here - GOOAALL-262-FM13.3.3 Inspired by champion7891.tac

If you try this tactic can you please give some feedback and tell us how it went, I haven't tried this myself yet, but I will give it a good shot. However my midfielders are not liking their new positions, but should act in the same offensive manner. The wingbacks have become fullbacks I have wingers in this position and I hope they will react well to the change both offensively and defensively, but I have my doubts. I need someone to test this for me with normal fullbacks perferably with defensive & offensive skills. DMCL/R are both dribblers same as the version 1 formation where they played MCR/L. I'm looking forward to try this and hope it will work. I think the idea by Champion was good and I implemented it. This should improve defence , but I don't know what it will do to possession and I don't know if I can use players who play out of position.

Cheers

No No, I just meant to put your WBs in your original tactic to FBs and set Philosophy to Overload. 4-1-3-2 formation, back 4, 1 DM, 3 CMs and 2 strikers. I think the 4-3-1-2 becomes too defensive though it might actually surprise me.

Edit: yeah I just read you DM comments. No need to shift CM to DM, only WBs to FBs or in the case of your newest tactic MR/ML to DR/DL. Although you might need to tweak their individual settings a bit

 

[jesaustralia]

No No, I just meant to put your WBs in your original tactic to FBs and set Philosophy to Overload. 4-1-3-2 formation, back 4, 1 DM, 3 CMs and 2 strikers. I think the 4-3-1-2 becomes too defensive though it might actually surprise me.

Edit: yeah I just read you DM comments. No need to shift CM to DM, only WBs to FBs or in the case of your newest tactic MR/ML to DR/DL. Although you might need to tweak their individual settings a bit

This sounds fairly simply to do. FB's Forward runs=sometimes/often - RWB=Often & team instruction overload and if their is any changes on the counter attack button, then untick that so its not a counter attacking tactic.

 

[jesaustralia]

Download GOOAALL.4-1-3-2 Dribbling FB's(FM13.3.3) by Jesaustralia HERE

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Alright here it is, I need testers. Team mentality=Overloading.This is with attacking FB's marauding both sides of the pitch, FB's set to forward runs sometimes and run with ball often crossing from byline Its my hope that this means that the Fb's will cover the sides much better than they currently did and still keep its offensive killer instinct. You will be looking for Attacking FB's they should be world class

16+ dribblers and have a high stamina workrate - pace/acceleration - agility - balance
14+ positioning - Offball - teamwork and crosses.
12+ anticipation - concentration and decision
10+ Tackling Marking and finishing.

All numbers are just references they can ofcause be better/higher - If you create one of these I would like to see an image so post it on here.

How to create such or get such? well retrain wingers could be a suggestion but if you buy a winger it means he will probably have low tackling/marking skills and they will probably be limited to how much these skills will gain. So another suggestion is to buy a young talent who is either good as a winger or a FB who have high stats 8 or 9 in the other required skills and then train them to become the way you want. I admit that these types of players will be hard to come by, but I think well worth the effort.

Individual training:
winger schedule
defensive winger schedule
wingback schedule
full back schedule
poacher schedule

And ofcause if its a winger you bought you retrain him forever to become a natural full back, I think its beneficial to do that as early as possible 15/16 years of age

Let us know how you go with this formation

Cheers

 

[champion7891]

Download GOOAALL.4-1-3-2 Dribbling FB's(FM13.3.3) by Jesaustralia HERE

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Alright here it is, I need testers. Team mentality=Overloading.This is with attacking FB's marauding both sides of the pitch, FB's set to forward runs sometimes and run with ball often crossing from byline Its my hope that this means that the Fb's will cover the sides much better than they currently did and still keep its offensive killer instinct. You will be looking for Attacking FB's they should be world class

16+ dribblers and have a high stamina workrate - pace/acceleration - agility - balance
14+ positioning - Offball - teamwork and crosses.
12+ anticipation - concentration and decision
10+ Tackling Marking and finishing.

All numbers are just references they can ofcause be better/higher - If you create one of these I would like to see an image so post it on here.

How to create such or get such? well retrain wingers could be a suggestion but if you buy a winger it means he will probably have low tackling/marking skills and they will probably be limited to how much these skills will gain. So another suggestion is to buy a young talent who is either good as a winger or a FB who have high stats 8 or 9 in the other required skills and then train them to become the way you want. I admit that these types of players will be hard to come by, but I think well worth the effort.

Individual training:
winger schedule
defensive winger schedule
wingback schedule
full back schedule
poacher schedule

And ofcause if its a winger you bought you retrain him forever to become a natural full back, I think its beneficial to do that as early as possible 15/16 years of age

Let us know how you go with this formation

Cheers

I will try this on my new save but it will take some time to get back...Thanks.

BTW as for your training schedule, I d something eaxtly similar with my regens. Train them as wingers when they are young (15-16) (dribbling, crossing, pace and acceleartion) then move to to DW to train tacking, teamwork, positioning, pace and once they are 18-19 set them to alternate b/w FB and WB. Makes them top class attacking FBs as long as they are high potential. I sell those players easily for 40-50 million. I never thought of training them as poachers given that they are mostly there for providing width and crossing from the byline so I don't think it should be of much use.

 

[jesaustralia]

I will try this on my new save but it will take some time to get back...Thanks.

BTW as for your training schedule, I d something eaxtly similar with my regens. Train them as wingers when they are young (15-16) (dribbling, crossing, pace and acceleartion) then move to to DW to train tacking, teamwork, positioning, pace and once they are 18-19 set them to alternate b/w FB and WB. Makes them top class attacking FBs as long as they are high potential. I sell those players easily for 40-50 million. I never thought of training them as poachers given that they are mostly there for providing width and crossing from the byline so I don't think it should be of much use.

Cool Champ - you will be in charge of this tactic right now, because I'm working on a different one that involves 2 anchorman and an attacking midfielder, but I won't reveal it before a season is completed if any success with it.

About FB's training:
In the original Gooaallss262 my wingbacks got in many situations where they could score thats why I would add the poacher schedule till they had around 10+finishing. Its my thought to make them look like the former Real Madrid star Roberto Carlos who also had PPM shot with power and probably 18 finishing.

Oh beware if you feel the FB's are still to offensively acting on the pitch I would take of all their run from deep so it become rare or if they are not offensive looking enough I would have them with often run from deep, but you will see how they react on the pitch in time and you can change it accordingly since I have no experience with this tactic yet

Cheers pal

 

[jesaustralia]

Ok I created a new tactic and didn't want to release it before the season was over, but due to the tendency that its showing I have released it I highly recommend anyone who see this message to go and try that instead of this one

The Connection 2422 thread

 

[nickizzard]

Ok I created a new tactic and didn't want to release it before the season was over, but due to the tendency that its showing I have released it I highly recommend anyone who see this message to go and try that instead of this one

The Connection 2422 thread

Can this be used with any team? Just come back to fm 13. Started unemployed got the lazio job, using artificial Sachi tactic, gaelgo 352 tactic and 4-5-1 triple tweak by mr l. I don't really not what to use as been a long while till I played this game. Anything u reccomend?

 

[jesaustralia]

Can this be used with any team? Just come back to fm 13. Started unemployed got the lazio job, using artificial Sachi tactic, gaelgo 352 tactic and 4-5-1 triple tweak by mr l. I don't really not what to use as been a long while till I played this game. Anything u reccomend?

Those tactics you mention are very strong tactics, if you have never tried them you will be happy you did, but my new tactic might surprise everyone its very strong and might be just as good. Since the tactic is released early I can't tell if any team can use it, but with the success I'm having I'm thinking it might be possible, why don't you give the connection a chance and get back to me via that thread. Their is some really good tips to learn in the connection thread on how you become unbeatable etc. but I believe this thread has some good tips as well that other tacticians don't offer as much as me, but if you use them you can succeed even further also with their tactics I'm sure. So read front page of this tactic thread and front page of the connection thread. I recommend the connection otherwise I wouldn't have released it

 

[mcbgun]

Blackburn Rovers First Season!!!

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Absolutely smashed the league to pieces using Version 1 and my set piece tweaks (see my post previously with link). Over the course of the season I conceded 1 goal from a free kick and 7 from corners (2 of those before I implemented my tweaks) so really it would have been 5 conceded from corners.

Broke the club record for games unbeaten = 41
Broke the league record for games unbeaten = 37
Broker the league record for points scored = 112

Nothing more to be said. Kudos to jesaustralia for a fabulous tactic! Scary thing is my players are only at good level of understanding so I shall implement the training philosophy in the new tactic to better gel my players. I will post end of season screenies for the next season in the next couple of weeks.

 

[jesaustralia]

Can you put your Setpiece tweak up for download and post it on here and I will give it a nice position on the OP page?

What was the media prediction for blackburn rovers? - no matter what it looks like a great season, also on only good understanding in the team gel level I think the results are really good. This tactic is definitely one of my favourite tactics out their, maybe not the best but I don't think that is always important, I think how the team plays together or how they win can sometimes be even more important. Entertainment possession goals, now you didn't have alot of high scoring games if any I'm ok with that as long that you are aware the potential is their for that as well. When I played with it the first season I was shocked how many high scoring games I had and as you can see on the front page I scored lots of goals. The away from home games tend to be more exciting than the home games at times, better player better team gel will assist with that I'm sure.

About the wingbacks:

In my opinion the wingbacks serves very importantly -I would not use a normal fullback in this position unless he is a good dribbler and crosser further i find it important that he has a certain level of workrate 14+ and teamwork 10+ usually it comes down to me retraining a talented winger and can you get one that also are capable of taking corners well then you have alot more goals from corners.

The team gel level:
Its worth starting that 2 weeks before the first game of the season then keep it for about 2 months if at good understanding you should be able to reach extremely strong understanding that way, then I might recommend that you change back to attacking movement after that. When you get a gap in a higher level of players that you feel you can work with longer term then sign less players each year and achieve the die for each other more easy. In my current save I have had teamwork all year and I'm now in march and still haven't achieved "Die for each other" So 2 months is probably the right amount on very high intensity level. I would suggest to do this with any tactic you implement whether it be Arrigo Sacchi or Mr Langvatn or even a default tactic - this should be the formula to achieve more also with less(underdog teams).

I can't tell you how excited I am that you posted your experience on here MCBGUN, thank you alot, I will post it up on the OP page and if you have tweaked the setpieces for defence I will most certainly post it at the top of OP.

I'm hoping to hear more success from you its an enjoyment to read about it.

Cheers Jes

 

[mcbgun]

My pleasure! I will provide the info you've requested tomorrow evening when I get back home

 

[jesaustralia]

Alright for anyone interested I finished my first season with my new tactic "The Connection" its related to Gooaallss 262 but alot of changes made so somehow very different I offcause recommend it and think it has even bigger potential than the tactic of this thread. I'm pretty sure its better away from home. The proof below.

The League Table:
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Go To The Connection thread Here to read more...

 

[mcbgun]

MCBGUN VERSION 1 SET PIECE TWEAK

Firstly apologies guys, I've had so much work on that I haven't had a chance to upload the tweaked version (set pieces that is) of the original version 1 tactic.

Well...here it is based on:

Set Pieces in Football Manager | FM Academy

Defending Free Kicks

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Attacking Free Kicks
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Defending Corners

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Attacking Corners

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I have attached the tweaked tactic file below. Note the on screen stats for each picture. Tailor your set pieces depending on your players. For example I have set what I consider to be the weakest players in the air marking the posts which happen for me to be a midfielder and wingback...THIS MAY BE DIFFERENT FOR YOU!!!

I would just use my tweaked tactic for the framework and use the link above to read up on exactly who to put and where, but the above screens should be self explanatory if you check out the stats.

I use best header for attacking free kicks in the instructions part.

I haven't touched the attacking corners part whatsoever...it remains the original.

Note for defending corners.....keep a fast striker forward and your best first touch/creative player on the edge of the area. When Joshua King is fit, he is the one forward with Rhodes supplying him...when King is injured/being rested.....Goodwillie takes over from Rhodes, Rhodes takes over from King.

Any questions and I'll edit the post with info. All credit of course goes to Jesaustralia for an immense tactic and to FM Acadamy for providing some slick ideas to tighten up the set pieces for this.

Enjoy!!!

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