Mr Langvatn's Tactic Thread (Updated for 13.3.3)

Tuvra said:
Hi Guys.

Sorry to ask such a direct question, however I am preparing to go into my second season with Valencia and due to inconsistent form using my own tactics last season I have decided to adopt the 4-1-4-1 Rock Classic tactic. I used it towards the end of last season and it seemed reasonably solid (despite folding like a wet newspaper in the last 7 mins of the Europa League final), the problem I am having like a lot of tactics is getting the best out of my No. 1 Asset - Roberto Soldado.

I have thoroughly researched this tactic and have built and prepared my team to use this tactic for the whole of the coming season. I firmly believe if I can utilise Soldado I can compete in all competitions. I used the tactic as a "plug & play" all as explained last year and although solid, Soldado has been terrible, low match ratings, non existent goal scoring, penalty misses, red cards etc.

Now I know morale is playing a big part in his performances, however, he has never been "at the races" using this tactic. In fact we have fallen out over it and I am really struggling to select him. However, I am going to back down to him and try to get the best out of him as I am trying to get as many Spanish players in my team as possible, therefore I need to pick your brains.

If I use RS as a Target Man, what should his role be? I am leaning towards Poacher/Complete Forward with Target Man supply being set as "Run on to the ball". Can anyone else help me in turning my striker into a big gun rather than a misfiring spud gun?
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Soldado is not the right type of striker for this tactic, you need a complete forward but Soldado has 12 strength and 10 jumping and therefor is not going to be good enough to play a lone striker role. In any tactic with one striker playing against 2 or sometimes 3 centre backs, he is going to need to be strong as he will rarely get the space to be able to do anything fancy or use his pace to race away from the defence and if he isn't strong then he is just going to get knocked off the ball whenever the ball come into the area. The rock tactic is designed so that your loan striker will deal with the centre backs which allows your central midfielders to get forward and find space to score lots of goals (at least around 15 each per season) and then your striker should assist a fair few and if he has good strength should bag you at least 17 league goals a season.
 
struggle to beat arsenal, man u, man city, chelsea and tottenham away RE-POSTED

Hi Mr Langvatn could you please assist.

I am playing with Liverpool and keep finishing 4th year after year purely because I can not beat the big boys away from home.

I am playing with a tweaked version of the 4-4-2 gung ho tactic (screen shots attached) which is pretty unbeatable home and away except when coming up against the big four or five in the Premiership AWAY. I get thrashed 5 or 6 - 0 usually. I need to at least draw with the big boys away so I can win my first premeirship.

How could I tweak this tactic for these important games against the big teams away from home? Basic tried and tested settings when approaching tough away games? This would help me in the champions league also.

Can you suggest one of your tactics I could use instead. I have tried the ROCK tactic with little success. I was thinking of the 442 angels v2 or a complete change of shape using the 2-5-3.
 
rickoo said:
Hi Mr Langvatn could you please assist.

I am playing with Liverpool and keep finishing 4th year after year purely because I can not beat the big boys away from home.

I am playing with a tweaked version of the 4-4-2 gung ho tactic (screen shots attached) which is pretty unbeatable home and away except when coming up against the big four or five in the Premiership AWAY. I get thrashed 5 or 6 - 0 usually. I need to at least draw with the big boys away so I can win my first premeirship.

How could I tweak this tactic for these important games against the big teams away from home? Basic tried and tested settings when approaching tough away games? This would help me in the champions league also.

Can you suggest one of your tactics I could use instead. I have tried the ROCK tactic with little success. I was thinking of the 442 angels v2 or a complete change of shape using the 2-5-3.
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I think most of his tactics are as an alternative to the rock for people who want a change. If you can't get success out of the rock classic with Liverpool then I think you are going to struggle no matter what tactic you try, you should walk the league with a squad like Liverpool using the rock classic. You need to look at your squad motivation or what players you are choosing because I doubt very much it is the tactic that is at fault if you failed with the rock classic.
 
Ronaldo2010 said:
Hi Mr L

Havin great sucess with Rock classic

Just to clarify - do u use Tactics training on HIGH and Match Prep on Attack Movement the whole way through the season even with Rock classic yea?

Cheers bud
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Yes

Ronaldo2010 said:
Also for the ROck Classic the CMs running up to support the lone forward - you would suggest workhorse types with high stamina (Im sure u said AMC types before - maybe Im mistaken) ??And the wingers in Rock classic - is it better to have attack minded or defense minded wingers mate?

Sorry for the million and one questions - great job so far mate - keep it up!!
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CM's should be strong workhorses (Lucas Leiva/Sandro etc...) Wingers can be regular wingers, but it's a bonus if they have good tackling/marking. And they aren't supporting the forward, it's the forward that's supporting them :P

andsur said:
Thank you for the great tactic.
been using 4-1-4-1 rock classic, can you tell me what attributes needed for each position?
using kagawa as mc but he does not really perform well
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Check out Lucas Leiva and Sandro. Try to get players similar to these. Strong workhorses really.
 
rickoo said:
Hi Mr Langvatn could you please assist.

I am playing with Liverpool and keep finishing 4th year after year purely because I can not beat the big boys away from home.

I am playing with a tweaked version of the 4-4-2 gung ho tactic (screen shots attached) which is pretty unbeatable home and away except when coming up against the big four or five in the Premiership AWAY. I get thrashed 5 or 6 - 0 usually. I need to at least draw with the big boys away so I can win my first premeirship.

How could I tweak this tactic for these important games against the big teams away from home? Basic tried and tested settings when approaching tough away games? This would help me in the champions league also.

Can you suggest one of your tactics I could use instead. I have tried the ROCK tactic with little success. I was thinking of the 442 angels v2 or a complete change of shape using the 2-5-3.
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Sorry to say mate, but there are other issues to worry about if you can't make it work with the Rock. The 4-4-2 Gung Ho is not stable at all, that's why I removed it from the front page. You can try the 4-4-2 angels v2 of course, it's better than the old gung ho, but far from as good as the rock. the 2-5-3 is really good, but could take a while adjusting to new positions. Anyways, good luck, whatever choice you make :)
 
In the Queen's Gambit tactic, I have used the outer strikers from the 2-5-3 angels v2, with hug touchline, to make room for all three CM's attacking :) It really is beautiful in play :) Can't wait until this one is ready for release! I have a new tactic test method I'm using too, in order to control all the small details.
 
After having success with swansea I started a new save with Hyde in conference league. Tipped for the drop however made the playoffs and got promoted. 2nd season League 2 tipped for the drop survived on goal difference 3rd season won League 2 when again being tipped for the drop. May I say that you need a good striker that will guarantee u the goals as its solid from the back and goals win you games! Brilliant tactic have to say, the best ive used in fm13.
 
Am giving your 3-6-1 a go in the championship,using your rock classic as back up.
 
Did a Derby test using the Rock Classic as reference when testing the Queens Gambit. Manchester United against Manchester City, first league match.

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[TR]
[TD]Tactic
[/TD]
[TD]Matches
[/TD]
[TD]Shots Diff.
[/TD]
[TD]On Target
Diff.
[/TD]
[TD]Clear Cuts
Diff.
[/TD]
[TD]W/D/L
[/TD]
[TD]Goal Diff.
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Queen’s Gambit
[/TD]
[TD]10
[/TD]
[TD]120 - 61
[/TD]
[TD]70 - 27
[/TD]
[TD]24 - 6
[/TD]
[TD]7/3/0
[/TD]
[TD]26 - 5
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Rock Classic
[/TD]
[TD]10
[/TD]
[TD]108 - 64
[/TD]
[TD]48 - 27
[/TD]
[TD]11 - 5
[/TD]
[TD]4/5/1
[/TD]
[TD]13 - 7
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
 
hiya m8 witch would you say is your best tactic to use id like to give 1 of them ago :)
 
amazing results!
do you have plan to do a liverpool test?


Mr Langvatn said:
Did a Derby test using the Rock Classic as reference when testing the Queens Gambit. Manchester United against Manchester City, first league match.

[TABLE="width: 574"]
[TR]
[TD]Tactic[/TD]
[TD]Matches[/TD]
[TD]Shots Diff.[/TD]
[TD]On Target
Diff.[/TD]
[TD]Clear Cuts
Diff.[/TD]
[TD]W/D/L[/TD]
[TD]Goal Diff.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Queen’s Gambit[/TD]
[TD]10[/TD]
[TD]120 - 61[/TD]
[TD]70 - 27[/TD]
[TD]24 - 6[/TD]
[TD]7/3/0[/TD]
[TD]26 - 5[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Rock Classic[/TD]
[TD]10[/TD]
[TD]108 - 64[/TD]
[TD]48 - 27[/TD]
[TD]11 - 5[/TD]
[TD]4/5/1[/TD]
[TD]13 - 7[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
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mike887 said:
hiya m8 witch would you say is your best tactic to use id like to give 1 of them ago :)
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I wouldn't say one is the best one really. But the Rock Classic is the most approved one. However, I think I now have four tactics that are all extremely good. 4-1-4-1 Rock Classic, 2-5-3 Angels V2, 3-6-1 Sicilian Defense and now the 4-1-3-2 Queen's Gambit!
 
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