Mr Langvatn's Tactic Thread (Updated for 13.3.3)

I think Mr.L found that 4-4-2 had better result than 4-5-1 did at away games.
 
yea,if im not wrong to said it before.it is 451 triple tweak at home and 442 triple tweak at away.

im afraid can't upload my set piece right now,my internet connection weren't so great atm,you can do it ,it so easy,aim to near post,and swap your forward which may set to "go forward" into "attacking near post",your striker has to be a target man obviously.
 
I'm sick of loading the game every time i can't win for 5 games or so. I used all the advices and still nothing works.
 
Barracuda8 said:
I'm sick of loading the game every time i can't win for 5 games or so. I used all the advices and still nothing works.
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make sure your cm have good 'off the ball' stat and dont change the player every game.i only change 1 or 2 player in every game.
 
noname11 said:
Any diamond 4-4-2 here?
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wide diamond? Well, I used Mr.L tactic setup and moved around to make a 4-4-2 wide diamond...but I do not know if it is good because I need to test it. I'm feeling really reluctant sharing it because I don't want to waste anyone time if it turns out to be bad or inefficient.

edit: I need to know what is a good way to test. I read somewhere that one used Mr.L test template. I'd like to get my hand on that, somehow.
 
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JP Woody said:
Hmm yeah right, running all the way.
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You don't try and make money on someone elses product, it comes across as conning and to be honest you know this yourself Mr. Langvatn. Same amount of people would come to this forum whether or not Mr. Langvatn is here after all he is not the inventor of soccer/football manager, someone else would be hyped . Good tactics especially the late ones developed by Malte & Wa4nker. Mr.Langvatn i'm not trying to put you down, but I totally dislike your money making attempt its not ethical. Enough said about the subject by me. Ps. I have read the whole thread, thats amazing stuff and stories
 
Jatjr said:
wide diamond? Well, I used Mr.L tactic setup and moved around to make a 4-4-2 wide diamond...but I do not know if it is good because I need to test it. I'm feeling really reluctant sharing it because I don't want to waste anyone time if it turns out to be bad or inefficient.

edit: I need to know what is a good way to test. I read somewhere that one used Mr.L test template. I'd like to get my hand on that, somehow.
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actually i once tried to tweak it,mate.just one single player which is my striker and it's not working very well,so i learn my lesson,not to tweak any particular moves,except the set piece,simply cause it didn't ruin any scheme ,any player on the pitch has a role somekind a puzzle that if you change one of them ,it possibly could destroy the entire plan,it just in my experience however.:$
 
I tweaked Rock into a 3412 that worked well on my long term save (Crystal Palace)...

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The home leg against Bayern I won 6-1 and went on to win the Treble.

Also worked on a Shamrock Rovers save but no screenshot of that
 
Hi everyone,

Does any of you running fm 13 with the latest up to date transfers and right teams in right league etc?

And were kind i find these database if so?

ciao
 
W4NKER said:
I tweaked Rock into a 3412 that worked well on my long term save (Crystal Palace)...

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The home leg against Bayern I won 6-1 and went on to win the Treble.

Also worked on a Shamrock Rovers save but no screenshot of that
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Nice to see that you still is playing :) I'm currently installing FM2013 once again.. going to start playing again after my break.
 
I'm trying to create a narrow 4-2-2-0-2 tactic. Can anyone provide me some tactical insight into tempo and width? I'm having trouble deciding. I'd like to have a touch of possession but I am not trying to create a 60% possession. 53-57% possession is good to me. But I don't want to lose that attacking touch. My initial thought is that quick tempo is better for attacking while slower tempo is better for possession (but I look at 4-5-1 tripletweak, has slow tempo that attack pretty well?) So I am little confused here. Now width, because I am creating a narrow formation, does this mean I need to stretch out my width? Majority of successful tactics have narrow width, I have yet literally to see any tactics with wide width. Maybe high-end notch on narrow side or somewhere around normal width?

Also, is it recommended to tick TM/Plymker with this formation?
 
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Jatjr said:
I'm trying to create a narrow 4-2-2-0-2 tactic. Can anyone provide me some tactical insight into tempo and width? I'm having trouble deciding. I'd like to have a touch of possession but I am not trying to create a 60% possession. 53-57% possession is good to me. But I don't want to lose that attacking touch. My initial thought is that quick tempo is better for attacking while slower tempo is better for possession (but I look at 4-5-1 tripletweak, has slow tempo that attack pretty well?) So I am little confused here. Now width, because I am creating a narrow formation, does this mean I need to stretch out my width? Majority of successful tactics have narrow width, I have yet literally to see any tactics with wide width. Maybe high-end notch on narrow side or somewhere around normal width?

Also, is it recommended to tick TM/Plymker with this formation?
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Well since almost every tactic is arranged with short passing styles it also dictates that a narrow width will be more suited (shorter distance between players). If you are going for a wide width it may be better with a more direct approach (longer distances between players).

Regarding the tempo. If you are going for short passing style it's better with a less faster tempo, it takes skill to complete short passes with a fast pace (think barca, real etc...). However, fast tempo goes well with a more direct passing style.

I my self prefer short passing, narrow width and a rather slowish tempo.. just decrease the time wasting a lot if you are going for a slow tempo.

And to answer your question regarding if you have to stretch your formation, the answer is no. Think of you passing style instead.. short passing -> less width and vice versa.

Regarding TM/Playmaker it's trial and error, may work, may not work.. It depends on the individual players you got in your squad.

Thats my cup of tea.. you might think otherwise, but thats how i usually create my tactics.

Good luck.
 
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Malte, great post there! It helped a lot for me! :D I have another question. If I tick all players' mentality, then changing counter/standard/attacking (etc..) doesn't really do anything? How does mentality affect their play exactly? a DM with maximum mentality does not help defend?

I think this is a complicated one to tinker around with...I don't have a grasp with this mentality thing. It sure takes a lot of time to make a tactic I'd be satisfied with, lol. :)
 
Jatjr said:
Malte, great post there! It helped a lot for me! :D I have another question. If I tick all players' mentality, then changing counter/standard/attacking (etc..) doesn't really do anything? How does mentality affect their play exactly? a DM with maximum mentality does not help defend?

I think this is a complicated one to tinker around with...I don't have a grasp with this mentality thing. It sure takes a lot of time to make a tactic I'd be satisfied with, lol. :)
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I believe that mentality is a setting witch indicates how much of a risk the player will take to i.e win the ball back, pass the riskier pass.. the more mentality the more risk.. im not such a hard believer of that mentality adjusts the position anymore.. as you can see in MrLangvatns and my tweaks, almost every one is on offensive mentality, even the DMC's... they still help to cover up in the defence.. it has to do with RWB (run with ball) and RFW (run forward) settings.. so imo the mentality dictates how much of a risktaker the player will be :)

This topic has about 1000000000 theories so i would advice you to read the already existing threads on here :) Otherwise we will go offtopic hehe...

have a nice day.
 
W4NKER said:
I'm using balanced high and tactics only but attacking movement works well too
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4-4-2 revisited tc w4nker version
AC Milan - Brondby - Ajax - Middlesbrough - Toulouse

I'm having lots of success using team cohesion all year round, low intensity - 20% match training & attacking movement

In the beginning of the season I do this: First 5-8 league and cup matches I give them match training Teamwork after that switch to attacking movement

Team cohesion keeps the morale steady and your team will perform better when the morale is up, day before and after match is ticked, I also try and get the same 11 ready for the next match by resting them 1 day extra by going into their profile under training and say rest 1 day, I do that straight after a match for all who have condition 83% or below, it seems to be working.

Brondby 12pl 12won 36 points - 15 points down to the 2nd placed
Ajax 8pl 7won 1draw 22 points
Middlebrough 7pl 6won 1 lost 18points
AC Milan 6pl 6won 18 points (9-0 vs Roma)
Toulouse 9pl 5won 1draw 3loss (very young team full of 17 and 18 year olds, they are currently no.3)

All these 5 teams here went from using arrigo sacchi 442 to this one and the tendency is much more positive though arrigo sacchi was consistant this one seems more consistant, I also adopted this tactic to international sides Tunisia - France - Chile - Denmark and they are doing fantastic as well. I have never won the premier league in england playing fm13 but I think it is on its way with middlesbrough.
 
Playing with 442 revisited tc v2 by w4nker this happened

View attachment 397145 And this :) View attachment 397144 Manfred Hinz is a DCL the one that scores from corners

Well lately I have been reading and reading, this thread a few times and other fm13 threads related to tactics. I think the setup in the tactics used in this thread is very well done by Mr.Langvatn - Malte722 & W4nker and also why I'm gonna post the tactic I have played around with in here instead of a new thread. Inspiration is taken from in here anyway and I think its worth posting.

I took the 442 revisited tc v2 by w4nker and added all the settings from both player and team instructions to a 4-3-3 Brobs formation setup. Look at images below and see what happened. It has nothing to do with Brobs and is all related to the tactics in this thread.

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As you can see it seems promising and its possession style. Ofcouse being Barcelona I have an automatic advantage with money and players. I wanted to change to one of Mr.Langvatn's tactics with my Barcelona team but I just felt with the players I have in my squad I have to play without wingers, so the change is no wingers but 2 mc's instead and only 1 dlp to get a central striker, and it seems to work wonders. The 2 mc's and the 3 strikers I would train as complete forward and either advanced forward or trequartista. Obiously I feel acceleration and pace is important especially for scl/r
In my world its also important to have player preferred moves SC shoot with power works great for me. FB's,mc's',sc's knock ball past opponent. Scl/r come deep,anything run with ball, through centre, often etc i think is value. Creativity is highly important for all who can have it but mc-sc is where i want to see it for sure. Mc's can also benefit coming deep for the ball, if they have other offensive moves as mentioned above. Strenght 12+ is fine in my opinion mc's-sc's

My save is a bit slow I run alot of leagues with several teams 6 exactly, so it takes me 2 real life weeks to complete a season, so if anyone wanna try this tactic I will post the link below

Brobs433 Revisited.v1- by Jesaustralia

I have to say I'm still very sceptical about this one because my team is the best the world have seen, and players are still more important than a good tactic in my opinion, well several factors actually,
morale - condtion - quality of players - quality of tactic
 
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