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andrichbrand said:
My Frustration is that I just put the final touches on my new tactic, came to post it on my thread and just read there is a new patch out! :O
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Have I missed something because I've not heard about this new patch :(
 
LiamOT said:
Pretty well actually... I made both Wingers have an Attack Duty.

I've made Gilbey a B2B instead of CM (A) and removed his roam from position instruction. Instead I've given that instructed to my Advanced Playmaker.

Teams seem to pack their midfield and sit back against me, I managed to combat that by simply switching from Standard to Counter with Pass into Space, Run at Defenders and Stand Off Opponents.

At the moment it's going well again.

Recent results (start from Blackpool):

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Yeh I couldn't see how a Support Duty up front would work with my current formation, so I left that how it is.
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Your striker lacked support, when he was on fire, you did well. when he was off his game, your whole team suffered because he was the single point of attack. The key to a lone forward: he ideally needs to be able to bring people into play if he cannot score himself (either directly or as a decoy) and there needs to be an additional point of attack if he is being successfully dealt with.

You're actually better at this than you give yourself credit for, just need to remember, while the game isnt perfect, most things will be user based before bug based. Though I would definitely say the game could do better at telling you what's wrong.
 
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Hi guys, I've bought the FM14 game and installed it but the players all have fake names. The nationality and value parts are real, even in the information section it gives the real name of the player. Is there some add-on or patch that I can install so I get the real names? This is so frustrating please help me if you can. Thank you.
 
footballlover said:
Hi guys, I've bought the FM14 game and installed it but the players all have fake names. The nationality and value parts are real, even in the information section it gives the real name of the player. Is there some add-on or patch that I can install so I get the real names? This is so frustrating please help me if you can. Thank you.
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Have you updated the game?

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Update it? How do you mean? I've only installed a patch that I thought would give me the real player names, but it just gave me the real competition names (like Champions League instead of Champions Cup)
 
Check the box when you start a new save "use fake players" isn't ticked by mistake.
 
No, it's not. This is something else. I heard other gamers were having the same problem too, but I couldn't find out what they did about it, if anything.
 
Got to the Scottish cup final with Morton, but Windows 8 decided to download an update and restart with me leading 2-1 against Celtic after 116 minutes of extra-time. That's frustration inducing, I believe.
 
r1niceboy said:
Got to the Scottish cup final with Morton, but Windows 8 decided to download an update and restart with me leading 2-1 against Celtic after 116 minutes of extra-time. That's frustration inducing, I believe.
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ouch thats harsh...
 
GodCubed said:
wat



No.

Clear cut chances are sometimes a byproduct of a good attacking tactic. They do not MAKE a tactic good. Having thirty thousand CCCs is no good at all unless you've got the players to put them away and the defence to shut up shop after. So viewing CCCs in isolation as the holy grail of tactics creating isn't the way to go at all. Frankly, most peoples' fixation on them is borderline ridiculous. You'd be better off looking how they were created and where your players are shooting from, shot types, where the shots went and so on and so forth.
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GodCubed,

Clear Cut Chances are, by definition, the type of chance that attacking players are most likely to score from and are defined in one of Mike's links as (from memory) "an opportunity that the attacking player would be reasonably expected to score". Mike says they have an average conversion rate of 50%. All other types of scoring opportunity, therefore, are not CCCs and by definition must have a lower successful conversion rate. If not, then they are wrongly classified and should be moved into the CCC group. Perhaps FM is being too broad with its definition of CCC, lumping in shots from tight angles, for example?

You're right that the attacking players have to be up to the job, but since many of the people complaining about this feature of FM14 are claiming to be experienced FM players of versions gone by, I would give them the benefit of the doubt that they know how to judge good strikers and how to sign players that make their teams better quite early on in the game.

I reiterate that the teams who score the most goals are those who create the most CCCs. In this country that's typically Manchester United, Manchester City, Arsenal and Chelsea, whose approach play - no matter how intricate or direct - is intended to create a CCC from which a goal will hopefully result. A well executed counter-attack will provide what we might call a Very-CCC, in the absence of well-placed defenders, so a team could set-up to play on the counter and achieve a relatively high conversion rate with fewer opportunities. The fact that those teams have good players who can also score other types of goals is obviously a massive factor in their success, but their game plan is to create CCCs, not just improvise for 90 minutes.

But if you don't think it's a good tactic to set your team up to create as many CCCs as it can, what do you tell them to do?
 
I must be honest, I'm doing a "pass-through" save. FMC, playing through quickly, and there's nothing that hinders a "speed save" as I suppose you could call it, than the damned pre-pre-season part, where you're sat reading how your player bruised his rib on holiday or stubbed his toe. Please just let me play FM, FM :(
 
rocheyb said:
GodCubed,

Clear Cut Chances are, by definition, the type of chance that attacking players are most likely to score from and are defined in one of Mike's links as (from memory) "an opportunity that the attacking player would be reasonably expected to score". Mike says they have an average conversion rate of 50%. All other types of scoring opportunity, therefore, are not CCCs and by definition must have a lower successful conversion rate. If not, then they are wrongly classified and should be moved into the CCC group. Perhaps FM is being too broad with its definition of CCC, lumping in shots from tight angles, for example?

You're right that the attacking players have to be up to the job, but since many of the people complaining about this feature of FM14 are claiming to be experienced FM players of versions gone by, I would give them the benefit of the doubt that they know how to judge good strikers and how to sign players that make their teams better quite early on in the game.

I reiterate that the teams who score the most goals are those who create the most CCCs. In this country that's typically Manchester United, Manchester City, Arsenal and Chelsea, whose approach play - no matter how intricate or direct - is intended to create a CCC from which a goal will hopefully result. A well executed counter-attack will provide what we might call a Very-CCC, in the absence of well-placed defenders, so a team could set-up to play on the counter and achieve a relatively high conversion rate with fewer opportunities. The fact that those teams have good players who can also score other types of goals is obviously a massive factor in their success, but their game plan is to create CCCs, not just improvise for 90 minutes.

But if you don't think it's a good tactic to set your team up to create as many CCCs as it can, what do you tell them to do?
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To summarise my thoughts:

You don't want your team to create as many CCCs as possible. As you correctly surmised, the game is a bit squiffy in its definition of a CCC, with some shots that should be easily saved sometimes being categorised under a CCC. As such, I've spent a lot of time urging people to just ignore CCCs. The game doesn't process the information accurately enough for them to be used as a good measurement. Like I said above, what you should do is look under the analysis tab and see WHERE your shots were taken from and how you built up to them.

Let's take two contrasting CCCs. Both are from shots taken inside the 6 yard box. However, the first one came from a beautiful flowing team move that started deep inside their half and ended with the winger beating his man and whipping in a pinpoint cross for the striker a few yards out. The second CCC, on the other hand, came when a defender punted it upfield, the opposition keeper came out to claim it and dropped it at the feet of the striker. This is one aspect of why CCCs are flawed. You can get a CCC from two such wildly contrasting sources, yet people still hold it up as being mega important.

If you just watch your team's play, analyse your shots and go into detail as to why everything's happening then I guarantee you it will benefit you far more than relying on CCCs quite so heavily.

Oh, and as for the whole "teams who score more goals create the most CCCs"... it's just not true, in real life. Take last season: City created 84 CCCs, scoring 66 goals. Spurs, on the other hand, scored the exact same amount of goals from 50 CCCs. Another example: Arsenal scored 72 from 70 CCCs, whereas Chelsea only created 56 CCCs and scored 75. Sure, there's a correlation, that's a no-brainer, but your simplistic statement is just wrong.
 
Since patch 14.2 some issues have popped up.......
1. GK seem to pass ball straight to other team (Lost so many goals due to this).
2. Players seem to dwell on ball and loose possession a lot.
3. Passing in general seems to be poor, possession given away to easy.
4. So many pens, fk given away and loads of red cards (randomly I corrected this by ticking 'Get stuck in' I mean how doe's that even make sense? lol)

Any others had these issues, I just hope there's another patch soon to correct all these. I feel like the match engine worked better and matches looked better before patch.
 
GodCubed said:
To summarise my thoughts:

You don't want your team to create as many CCCs as possible. As you correctly surmised, the game is a bit squiffy in its definition of a CCC, with some shots that should be easily saved sometimes being categorised under a CCC. As such, I've spent a lot of time urging people to just ignore CCCs. The game doesn't process the information accurately enough for them to be used as a good measurement. Like I said above, what you should do is look under the analysis tab and see WHERE your shots were taken from and how you built up to them.

Let's take two contrasting CCCs. Both are from shots taken inside the 6 yard box. However, the first one came from a beautiful flowing team move that started deep inside their half and ended with the winger beating his man and whipping in a pinpoint cross for the striker a few yards out. The second CCC, on the other hand, came when a defender punted it upfield, the opposition keeper came out to claim it and dropped it at the feet of the striker. This is one aspect of why CCCs are flawed. You can get a CCC from two such wildly contrasting sources, yet people still hold it up as being mega important.

If you just watch your team's play, analyse your shots and go into detail as to why everything's happening then I guarantee you it will benefit you far more than relying on CCCs quite so heavily.

Oh, and as for the whole "teams who score more goals create the most CCCs"... it's just not true, in real life. Take last season: City created 84 CCCs, scoring 66 goals. Spurs, on the other hand, scored the exact same amount of goals from 50 CCCs. Another example: Arsenal scored 72 from 70 CCCs, whereas Chelsea only created 56 CCCs and scored 75. Sure, there's a correlation, that's a no-brainer, but your simplistic statement is just wrong.
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GodCubed,

OK - so we have reached some agreement, in that we both believe that CCCs are over-subscribed in the Match Stats provided within FM14 and are therefore tricking users into believing that their team is being more dominant than it really is. Hopefully SI will address that for FM15.

In terms of real-life stats, basing your argument on a single season in a single league results in an unrepresentative sample of data. It's distorted by too many variables that change from season-to-season, such as the form and exceptional long range shooting ability of Gareth Bale; the idiosyncratic struggles of Fernando Torres's Chelsea career to date; injuries, now long forgotten, to those teams' key attacking or creative players; and where are Manchester United in your carefully selected sample? Even Arsenal distort the figures to some extent, in favour of my argument, given their (albeit former) tendency to walk the ball into the net.

It would be far more worthwhile to look at trends across a ten year period or for a shorter period across many different leagues, to establish a more reliable, robust data sample that makes allowance for such issues and provides a more accurate assessment of the degree of correlation between the teams who create the most CCCs and those who score the most goals. I don't claim to have that data, but in its absence, last season's Premier League in isolation is not a reliable substitute.

I'm honestly not just going out of my way to reject your argument, and I appreciate your time in spelling it out the way you have. But I used to work extensively with circulation and readership survey data for one of the national newspaper groups, where understanding the sample size was crucial to knowing how robust and reliable your data was, before you encouraged anyone to draw business critical conclusions upon it. For the reasons I have given, I don't think your data proves one thing or the other.

My assertions are based on years of watching and playing football, and understanding what those top teams are trying to achieve with their build-up play. To me, the frequency of those matches on FM14 where one side overwhelms the other and creates stacks of CCCs, only to still fail to score and end up losing 0-1 to the opposition's only chance on goal, is not representative of real football. It does happen, but nothing like as often. But we have identified that the CCC count is probably "squiffy" and I have already stated earlier that such one-sided games happen too often in FM14 to be truly realistic, anyway.
 
how can i stop conceding from corners....i keep on conceding from corners.
when my opposition striker have the ball even after pressing with 2 defenders does not help,but my forwards give away the ball
 
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