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carlos_fierro said:
That's semantics. Influencing / teaching. Same thing.

It has EVERYTHING to do with fundamentals, because without influencing / teaching your players - apparently world class human racehorses paid vast fortunes for kicking a ball around - they aren't fit to be on the pitch.

If they are so appalling at the basics of their job that you have to hold their hand and say "please don't shoot at the goalkeeper every ******* time you have a chance"... how did they become such international names in the first place?
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You're over egging and missing the point. They can finish well enough without. I'm trying to maximise chances. It doesn't mean they will never do it. You're not forced to teach it. Which is why some players naturally do it, already.

Also if you dont think these things are worked on in training, then you really are missing the point. Because the basics are worked on, all the time. Great example is Drogba, sure he could place it if he wanted to. But he had a tendency to just leather it instead. On the other hand, David Villa likes to pick a spot. Doesnt mean he will never leather it. But he will prefer to do so unless its better to hit it hard (based on his decision making)
 
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A player will finish it the way he wants based on his attributes.

PPMs influence a tendency to do something, doesn't mean he will never do anything else, doesnt mean he will always do it.
 
carlos_fierro said:
That's semantics. Influencing / teaching. Same thing.

It has EVERYTHING to do with fundamentals, because without influencing / teaching your players - apparently world class human racehorses paid vast fortunes for kicking a ball around - they aren't fit to be on the pitch.

If they are so appalling at the basics of their job that you have to hold their hand and say "please don't shoot at the goalkeeper every ******* time you have a chance"... how did they become such international names in the first place?

Through a process of logic we can therefore conclude that either the match engine is ******, and we have to find workarounds to get it to function as it should, or SI have no ******* clue about what strikers can and should do from the get-go.
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There's a literal **** ton of examples of players who've improved/changed their style of play under a specific manager.
 
Mike. said:
He's saying a free kick take shouldn't have it. Which I agree with. For some reason it makes them horrible, horrible takers
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My "shoot with power" strikers don't seem to do well either, it's kind of a negative trade-off -> less shots on-target, but occasionally one of the on-target ones wrecks the GK.
 
MisterBurkes said:
My "shoot with power" strikers don't seem to do well either, it's kind of a negative trade-off -> less shots on-target, but occasionally one of the on-target ones wrecks the GK.
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That is the trade off really, accuracy for shot beatability. Which is why I reserve it for my best strikers. Usually my power lone forwards
 
You're over egging and missing the point.
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I'm really not. You're just interpreting it differently.

But I have evidence of buying 20 to 30-goal-a-season strikers only to see them ***** their chances against the post, into the stands or straight at the keeper, game after game. They end the season with half a dozen goals, but not due to lack of chances.

My belief is that this happens because the match engine is broken, rather than these guys instantly forgetting their profession on transfer and having to be "influenced" to aim their shots at the net area, and more specifically a spot not obstructed by a goalkeeper.

Hence, we are compensating for an inept match engine, not a stupid player.

There's a literal **** ton of examples of players who've improved/changed their style of play under a specific manager.
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And there's also examples of big-name strikers not making it at their new club. They get replaced by someone who does score. In FM2014, the same thing happens with their replacement, and their replacement, ad nauseam.
 
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Am preparing a video. In the course of this, and because I'm big enough to admit when I'm wrong, I have seen both sides of this argument now. Individual tactics, selection and PPMs do make a bigger impact than I thought WHEN SELECTED TO COMPLEMENT EACH OTHER. However there is still an awful lot of stupid stuff.

I will post, hopefully, tonight.
 
Do you know what would be good, is to include a stat for Dribbling speed. I know high dribbling and high speed are good, but it would be a useful stat to have.
 
Hey guys I am really confused about the right size for my squad.
This is what I have right now, http://i.gyazo.com/2051342738698625d07e8b48aeed42c7.png
Can you guys suggest me formations/tactics etc. please? Keep in mind I also have a striker/AMR and a GK out on loan that are good for first team. I am really lost here! I keep drawing easy games and losing against mid table teams.
 
Why isn't 4231 in the default tactics folder in the TC?

There's the narrow variations 1 which is deep, and an asymmetric version, seems strange that it's not in there, a lot of teams in the game use the formation over the narrow and deep versions. It's also a very popular formation IRL.

Did SI decide that didn't it exist anymore?
 
UGHHHHHHH
I beat Dourtmund 2-1 but lose to dumb Mainz 2-0 same tactic... Both at home...
 
GodCubed said:
Did you read anything of what I said?

I just told you that it effects the LIKELIHOOD. An opposition player pulling off a great pass when pressured by four players isn't a bug. What could possibly be a bug is if they're doing it repeatedly despite terrible attributes. Oh, and FYI, if they are doing that then lol what the **** are you doing with your tactics that means you're unsuccessfully pressing with FOUR players.



Jumping and heading aren't the only things that effect heading, I hope you realise. Besides that, height and ability in the air doesn't mean that one player will always be better than another, like I've been saying. ****, Barry Bannan once won a header against Nikola Zigic. If they tried that one hundred times, even a thousand times, Bannan would win that ball maybe twice, but that's just how it happens. Doesn't mean there was a 'bug' in real life, doesn't mean there's a bug in game when it happens.
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This is "Post your frustration thread". Frustrations happen in real life football, when one mentions it necessarily doesn't mean it's complaint against match engine. I mentioned offside one as bug, I just laughed off at this when this happened.

But nevermind, every frustration these days are intended as complaint against Match Engine so I don't blame you.
 
miguelalves said:
It would be nice seeing also 4 of my players hassling the opponent with the ball. Hassle / Close Down sucks in this FM.
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It really isn't easy to get your team constantly pressing for 90 minutes, in the game or in real life. It is also the reason why high lines can be destroyed badly like Tottenham's under Sherwood and AVB. Also buying 7 odd players in every transfer window doesn't work very well in this regard.

Pressing did not work for me this well for like first three seasons when I was building a team according to my style and requirement (I prefer determined, hard working and physical players). But now my midfield and defence press very well, even Eden Hazard's work rate has shot from 12 to 15 (I'm on default database, playing as Chelsea). In last 2 summer transfer windows I've barely bought any first team players, only youngsters who were loaned out immediately. Defenders don't commit to silly challenges that they don't win or back up so much that striker eventually scores anyway.

Took me over 4 seasons of tinkering to set up this well pressing system.

MisterBurkes said:
So something I've noticed is that strikers with too many preferred moves and especially with "shoots with power" are TERRIBLE at scoring. "Shoots with power" seems to be an extremely detrimental move
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Erm, I've only had success with strikers that HAVE this PPM. Romelu Lukaku, Alek Mitrovic, and regen strikers. It's the first thing I focus on when I get a striker with at least 15 strength and finishing. It's players without that PPM I struggle with, well, except Carlos Fierro.
 
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AayushCFC said:
Erm, I've only had success with strikers that HAVE this PPM. Romelu Lukaku, Alek Mitrovic, and regen strikers. It's the first thing I focus on when I get a striker with at least 15 strength and finishing. It's players without that PPM I struggle with, well, except Carlos Fierro.
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Interesting, exact opposite for me. I focus on dribbling, technique, composure and finishing for my strikers, and avoid "Shoots with Power" at all costs.
 
MisterBurkes said:
Interesting, exact opposite for me. I focus on dribbling, technique, composure and finishing for my strikers, and avoid "Shoots with Power" at all costs.
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My tactical system requires a good Target Man. My TM usually gets a lot of assists as he brings down long aerial balls for wingers to put them in, so shoots with power is like PPM I usually teach my TMs, works fine for me.

The only time it worked the way you're explaining is (the occasional wondergoal and else meh) was when my player also had "Shoots from distance" PPM.
 
AayushCFC said:
My tactical system requires a good Target Man. My TM usually gets a lot of assists as he brings down long aerial balls for wingers to put them in, so shoots with power is like PPM I usually teach my TMs, works fine for me.

The only time it worked the way you're explaining is (the occasional wondergoal and else meh) was when my player also had "Shoots from distance" PPM.
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I play with Poachers, False 9's, and Complete Forwards. Most of my goals are just tap-ins from crosses, shots placed into corner at close range, or beating the keeper 1v1 by rounding him.

It sounds like if a PPM doesn't fit directly into a tactical system it completely gimps the striker.
 
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MisterBurkes said:
I play with Poachers, False 9's, and Complete Forwards. Most of my goals are just tap-ins from crosses, shots placed into corner at close range, or beating the keeper 1v1 by rounding him.

It sounds like if a PPM doesn't fit directly into a tactical system it completely gimps the striker.
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So do you have place and curl?
 
TonyVilliers said:
Yep, I've seen similar stuff called offside when (conveniently for the AI team) my player is through one on one.
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My player made a side ways pass about a yard away to a teammate, got called offside for my striker who was yards ok side, he wasn't involved in the passing or even making a run, it's a few pages back.
 
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