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I play with Poachers, False 9's, and Complete Forwards. Most of my goals are just tap-ins from crosses, shots placed into corner at close range, or beating the keeper 1v1 by rounding him.

It sounds like if a PPM doesn't fit directly into a tactical system it completely gimps the striker.

Ah yes, seems like it won't fit in that. My striker's most goals come from range, mostly playing as TM (support) but even one of my wingers has that PPM (Jermie Boga, already had it, didn't teach) he also seems to score quite a few. He's just 19 and this PPM starts working it's wonders around age 24-5.
 
It really isn't easy to get your team constantly pressing for 90 minutes, in the game or in real life. It is also the reason why high lines can be destroyed badly like Tottenham's under Sherwood and AVB. Also buying 7 odd players in every transfer window doesn't work very well in this regard.

Pressing did not work for me this well for like first three seasons when I was building a team according to my style and requirement (I prefer determined, hard working and physical players). But now my midfield and defence press very well, even Eden Hazard's work rate has shot from 12 to 15 (I'm on default database, playing as Chelsea). In last 2 summer transfer windows I've barely bought any first team players, only youngsters who were loaned out immediately. Defenders don't commit to silly challenges that they don't win or back up so much that striker eventually scores anyway.

Took me over 4 seasons of tinkering to set up this well pressing system.



Erm, I've only had success with strikers that HAVE this PPM. Romelu Lukaku, Alek Mitrovic, and regen strikers. It's the first thing I focus on when I get a striker with at least 15 strength and finishing. It's players without that PPM I struggle with, well, except Carlos Fierro.

I don't need them to hassle all 90 minutes with the same intensity, that's not realistic, I need them to have a simple reaction and don't ignore their opponents. Yes, ignore, standing near an opponent that receives the ball and my player instead of hassling, even turns his back and ignores the opponent player. This and other examples were even uploaded to SI servers and logged as bugs. But it seems they just don't care, because I have just received this from SI's Neil Brock:

The issues in regards to the match engine will not be fixed for FM14 as the match team have released their last update for FM14 but any information gathered will be put into use for any future versions of Football Manager.

And I replied

Unbelievable how you are just going to leave the game with so many issues without fixing. What's the point of asking customers to do your work - or, as you call it, helping - if you have no intention so ever to fix common and largely known bugs ? This is not a serious attitude from SI !!! And thanks for cleaning my accounts as you said you would, you guys really keep your word but I guess it's not about keeping it but just selling.

As regard to the translation issue, are you saying that your guy from the Portuguese Translation Team (Andr? something) can't identify this simple problem even after screenshots have been sent and other users posted it at your forum ??? And they say portuguese have a problem when it comes being competent.

The coaches are translated as "Treinadores" and the correct word is "Preparadores", the Anchor role is translated as "Primeiro Volante" when it should state "Trinco" and the Half-Back is translated as "Terceiro Zagueiro" when it's "Piv? Defensivo. Fitness Training is translated as "Aptid?o" when it should state "F?sico". These are the issues to be fixed, very hard to detect indeed (irony). So, do you think you can deliver this piece of text with these issues to Andr? or do you also need me to go to UK and deliver it personaly ???
 
The issues in regards to the match engine will not be fixed for FM14

Translation: "We know there are bugs, but **** you, we'll take your money and run". What happened to customer care, support. What kind of message is that to send out there to encourage you to buy FM 2015???
 
The issues in regards to the match engine will not be fixed for FM14

Translation: "We know there are bugs, but **** you, we'll take your money and run". What happened to customer care, support. What kind of message is that to send out there to encourage you to buy FM 2015???

Exactly.

These guys deserve a mass protest at their forum.
 
The issues in regards to the match engine will not be fixed for FM14

Translation: "We know there are bugs, but **** you, we'll take your money and run". What happened to customer care, support. What kind of message is that to send out there to encourage you to buy FM 2015???

There is always a cut off point for support. ALWAYS. If you dont like it, never buy any product in any department ever again. You cannot infinitely pump out updates.
 
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So, are we soft or are we capable of doing something at SI Forum ?

Why? You cant solve all the bugs, you cannot infinitely chase them, because if you do, you cannot release the next version ( which incidentally will contain fixes). That is the nature of software, you will always have limited time and resources. At some point you have to move on. If you dont like it, don't buy it.
 
Why? You cant solve all the bugs, you cannot infinitely chase them, because if you do, you cannot release the next version ( which incidentally will contain fixes). That is the nature of software, you will always have limited time and resources. At some point you have to move on. If you dont like it, don't buy it.

I don't need to solve it because I'm not even supposed to solve anything. Or are we at some point that now customers have to solve issues ? That is something for SI to do. Well, what do you think would happen if everybody or the majority would do as you suggest ? That's not even an argument. But I guess you are fine with telling people "help us, send us screenshots and pkm's for us to fix issues" and then "well lads, the development cycle is closed, thanks, apologies and see you next FM... the bugs are staying". Or maybe you like to play a game with brazilian words when it's supposed to be portuguese and you even ask people to help identifying the wrong words and then "oh, it's not important, you have to stick with those wrong words".
 
I don't need to solve it because I'm not even supposed to solve anything. Or are we at some point that now customers have to solve issues ? That is something for SI to do. Well, what do you think would happen if everybody or the majority would do as you suggest ? That's not even an argument. But I guess you are fine with telling people "help us, send us screenshots and pkm's for us to fix issues" and then "well lads, the development cycle is closed, thanks, apologies and see you next FM... the bugs are staying". Or maybe you like to play a game with brazilian words when it's supposed to be portuguese and you even ask people to help identifying the wrong words and then "oh, it's not important, you have to stick with those wrong words".
I didnt ask you to solve anything, what are you on about. I'm talking about SI.

The development cycle is only finished for FM14, not for FM, those bugs are still there. Just because there isnt time to sort them in FM14, doesnt mean they cannot be dealt with for the next iteration, that's why they say raise it. If you understood what went into software development, you'd already know this.
 
I didnt ask you to solve anything, what are you on about. I'm talking about SI.

The development cycle is only finished for FM14, not for FM, those bugs are still there. Just because there isnt time to sort them in FM14, doesnt mean they cannot be dealt with for the next iteration, that's why they say raise it. If you understood what went into software development, you'd already know this.

you said that I can't solve all the bugs.
I know bugs are always there to be fixed. The issue in question is not that, it's about misleading people.
 
There is always a cut off point for support. ALWAYS. If you dont like it, never buy any product in any department ever again. You cannot infinitely pump out updates.

Support for a game labelled Fm2014, whilst it is still the first quarter of THAT YEAR, should be continued, don't you think? I mean to basically say, "you bought it, and we know the game has issues, but we are NOT going to fix them" is possibly the worst kind of customer relations, ever.

A game that was released in October and is only 6 months old, has some fairly minor and some more conspicuous errors/bugs and they refuse to update? Where's the strategy in encouraging ongoing and new business in that? Where's the pride in product? Where's the basic responsibility to the customer?

Your facetious comment is woefully off target. 6 months is hardly indefinitely. If you think asking for hotfix/patch on the few major issues here (strikers, offsides, etc etc) only 6 months after release is too much then you're mistaken. Especially when the season from which the game takes its name is still going!
 
Why? You cant solve all the bugs, you cannot infinitely chase them, because if you do, you cannot release the next version ( which incidentally will contain fixes). That is the nature of software, you will always have limited time and resources. At some point you have to move on. If you dont like it, don't buy it.

So basically what you are saying here is that you have to pay SI twice, for the privilege of having a game that works as the original game you bought ought to.
 
So basically what you are saying here is that you have to pay SI twice, for the privilege of having a game that works as the original game you bought ought to.

Football Manager has been the same game since its inception lol, you've always been paying every year for updates.
 
True. However I feel FM2013 is superior to FM2014, so that's kinda not true LOL.

Indeed, but whenever someone says this they use the excuse that's because we were sliders guys. No, sorry, it has nothing to do with slideres... at least for me.
 
Support for a game labelled Fm2014, whilst it is still the first quarter of THAT YEAR, should be continued, don't you think? I mean to basically say, "you bought it, and we know the game has issues, but we are NOT going to fix them" is possibly the worst kind of customer relations, ever.

A game that was released in October and is only 6 months old, has some fairly minor and some more conspicuous errors/bugs and they refuse to update? Where's the strategy in encouraging ongoing and new business in that? Where's the pride in product? Where's the basic responsibility to the customer?

Your facetious comment is woefully off target. 6 months is hardly indefinitely. If you think asking for hotfix/patch on the few major issues here (strikers, offsides, etc etc) only 6 months after release is too much then you're mistaken. Especially when the season from which the game takes its name is still going!

Basically, they simple don't care and now even less because they are already focused in FM15. Let's give March away because of the update, so these guys have 7 months every year to develop a new game (they don't because some editions are just cosmetic updates and some ME issues). Then when November comes they say "Hey guys, here's the Beta version, now go work for us and for free and tell us what is wrong", then when we help and do what they have requested with screenshots and pkm's they have the audacity to say "IT'S YOUR TACTICS".

Look some months ago, several screenshots were posted at SI Forum / Translation issues, with regard to some very bad translations to portuguese. The guy in charge (some Andr? something) didn't even reply and when he did reply was "it's done when it's done". And after I complained (and complained about other issues and even against some moderators), what did they do ? Then banned me, because I had a bad attitude.

Since then I have an IP ban, so I used other computers to create other accounts, which are also banned because they are alias acounts. So, I sent a message to the forum administrator, complaining about a translation issue since the last patch because the portuguese edition has words in brazilian. Neil Brock from SI replied to me and requested if I could sent him screenshots of this problem and pkm's of other ME problems and if I would do so he would clean my previous accounts and allow my access to the SI Forum. Ok, I did sent what he asked. Finaly we come to the current day when, after SI silence and after I have sent another message to the administrator forum, once again Neil Brock replied to me saying they are not going fo fix nothing more, the match engine team is happy with the game and the development cycle of FM14 is closed.

So, when it comes to dealing with customers and managing relations with customers, I guess it's quite clear how SI feels.
 
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This is "Post your frustration thread". Frustrations happen in real life football, when one mentions it necessarily doesn't mean it's complaint against match engine. I mentioned offside one as bug, I just laughed off at this when this happened.

But nevermind, every frustration these days are intended as complaint against Match Engine so I don't blame you.

Yeah, I apologise for any offence, it's just frustrating seeing all these complaints about the ME. Most of the people who talk about it don't have a ****** clue what they're on about.
 
Have you ever played another computer game before?

I have and... your point is ? Let me guess: all games have bugs, right ?! Well, if you read what has been wroten you might find that the issue isn't about bugs.
 
Support for a game labelled Fm2014, whilst it is still the first quarter of THAT YEAR, should be continued, don't you think? I mean to basically say, "you bought it, and we know the game has issues, but we are NOT going to fix them" is possibly the worst kind of customer relations, ever.

That's not entirely what they're saying. What they're saying is "we know the game has issues, but we don't believe it makes the game unplayable and because we're not big enough to fix all of them AND develop a new game at the same time, what we're going to try and do is work the fixes into the next game."

Frankly, I think that's a reasonably good kind of customer relations. And that's ignoring the fact that they do do a LOT of fixes - more than say EA ever has on any of their games ever - so it's a little harsh.

A game that was released in October and is only 6 months old, has some fairly minor and some more conspicuous errors/bugs and they refuse to update? Where's the strategy in encouraging ongoing and new business in that? Where's the pride in product? Where's the basic responsibility to the customer?

All buried under a big sign saying "WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE", unfortunately.

SI have a lot of pride in their product, and rightly so. They're a relatively TINY game studio producing a game that is truly global in scale and has a cultural impact far beyond the kind of games most studios of a similar size produce. Although, if you're going to criticise them for not encouraging new business, given FMs sales increasing year on year I think I'd rethink my position.

Your facetious comment is woefully off target. 6 months is hardly indefinitely. If you think asking for hotfix/patch on the few major issues here (strikers, offsides, etc etc) only 6 months after release is too much then you're mistaken. Especially when the season from which the game takes its name is still going!

You do realise pretty much the entire studio has already switched focus to FM15, right? If they didn't, then that game would be coming about around February. So we have two options: either we get an ultra-polished FM14 and no FM15, or we get a pretty well done FM14 and then a new and upgraded game in FM15.

I know I'd choose the latter, frankly.

Football Manager has been the same game since its inception lol, you've always been paying every year for updates.

Not really right, given the entire framework of the game has been rebuilt from the ground up multiple times over the years.

Basically, they simple don't care and now even less because they are already focused in FM15. Let's give March away because of the update, so these guys have 7 months every year to develop a new game (they don't because some editions are just cosmetic updates and some ME issues). Then when November comes they say "Hey guys, here's the Beta version, now go work for us and for free and tell us what is wrong", then when we help and do what they have requested with screenshots and pkm's they have the audacity to say "IT'S YOUR TACTICS".

Oh give me a break.

You're complaining about beta access? You think the consumers mostly iron out the bugs? Don't be ridiculous. SI have a team of beta testers who find 95% of the bugs in the game. The beta they release to the public - which they don't have to do, by the way - has already gone through hundreds of changes and updates.

And then you think you know more about the game than the actual ******* developers?! You need to get your head out of your ****, son.

Look some months ago, several screenshots were posted at SI Forum / Translation issues, with regard to some very bad translations to portuguese. The guy in charge (some Andr? something) didn't even reply and when he did reply was "it's done when it's done". And after I complained (and complained about other issues and even against some moderators), what did they do ? Then banned me, because I had a bad attitude.

And it was probably justified.

He was right. It will be done when it is done. That's the approach SI and Miles Jacobsen have always taken. You set dates for things and one of two things happen: either you miss it and complain, or you half-*** it to get it out on time and people complain. SI have one big date a year to plan around, so I don't blame them for not rushing with as many aspects as they can.

If the history of game development has taught us anything, not rushing a game or aspect of a game out has always always always resulted in a better end product.

Since then I have an IP ban, so I used other computers to create other accounts, which are also banned because they are alias acounts. So, I sent a message to the forum administrator, complaining about a translation issue since the last patch because the portuguese edition has words in brazilian. Neil Brock from SI replied to me and requested if I could sent him screenshots of this problem and pkm's of other ME problems and if I would do so he would clean my previous accounts and allow my access to the SI Forum. Ok, I did sent what he asked. Finaly we come to the current day when, after SI silence and after I have sent another message to the administrator forum, once again Neil Brock replied to me saying they are not going fo fix nothing more, the match engine team is happy with the game and the development cycle of FM14 is closed.

So, when it comes to dealing with customers and managing relations with customers, I guess it's quite clear how SI feels.

Probably quite tired of people, yes.

SI has the absolute whingiest fanbase in the world. Seriously. FIFA comes close, there are MMORPG games that come close, but there is nothing that matches the absolute refusal of FM fans to believe anything other than SI don't know what they're doing.

If you were as unacceptable with your behaviour as I suspect, then Neil Brock's a ******* saint to listen to you despite your repeated attempts to circumvent your ban.
 
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