Yer i believe he was lucky to escape with only a yellow
But no matter what you think this machine was being projected back to millions of people worldwide and young children who think Rooney if their hero.
CJACKO in the other thread said it was clear red and there was no need for video replay to justify it.
Just becuase he made a career, doesnt mean he wasnt a scummy thug does it....
Drogba wasnt banned for the camera though, Wayne didnt swear the the Ref or another player, or even the crowd, he swore into an machine....
It was also muffled by the sound of thousands of fans. Hence why after the incident it had to be worked out from youtube what he said, not immediately. You said you lip read it, not heard it. Interesting choice of words. As I say, they often zoom in on players having a go at the ref and interpret it. The commentator's often joke about it "No guessing what he said there, is there?".
Exactly, 100's of times players can cite other reasons. Why can't Rooney. There have been 3-4 video's linked here of players or managers swearing at the camera. So yes, there are precedents. Yes, the FA are being inconsistent. Yes, it's hypocritical and the punishment is totally ridiculous.
CJACKO in the other thread said it was clear red and there was no need for video replay to justify it.
I'll take your word for it but this is totally differnet. That was somthing he belived in but surely he knows how to behave on the pitch and how to take stick more than any of us
Well that's his opinion. I saw about 3 replays and it didn't look a red card IMO. I'll try and record it on ChelseaTV tonight.
I leave you with this:
If anger makes Wayne Rooney brilliant, he can swear as much as he likes
If the FA wants to stop swearing being broadcast it should keep microphones out of players' faces during matches
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/feedarticle/9579711
So Wayne Rooney's got a dirty mouth and swears during football matches. Anyone with eyes and even the most rudimentary lip-reading skills will have known this for a while, of course, but the absolute cast-iron broadcast confirmation that came during Saturday's game between Manchester United and West Ham has still been greeted with a great deal of excitement, as will the news that Rooney has been charged with using insulting or offensive language by the FA.
With a fair bit of effort, I can kind of understand some of it. Sure, such behaviour is disappointing from a star of the country's most high-profile team and a mainstay of the England side, but this is a man who paid for *** with prostitutes while his wife was pregnant. Next to that, saying a nasty word a couple of times doesn't really register on my disappointment scale.
Some were upset by the aggression with which he celebrated his hat-trick, but it was probably the same aggression, fuelled in the dressing room at half-time, or the result of his team's dismal performance in the first half, that inspired him to score it. If you can't have one without the other and you definitely want one, you need to accept the other.
And what results it brought. Surely whatever motivation was used by Rooney or his manager, the wonderful free-kick that opened the scoring for United, and his brilliantly taken second, more than justified it. The quality of his performance is all that mattered. I care little whether he was inspired by anger, by a desire for financial gain, or by visualising a million burning puppies yelping with pain and anguish while a thousand starving sparrows peck at their paws with specially sharpened beaks.
It's not as if angry sportsmen are a new phenomenon. From John McEnroe to that scene in Chariots of Fire where Eric Liddell gets knocked over, snarls a bit, gets up and wins, people have been channelling anger to good result. And Rooney is not alone in having been caught swearing on camera: here's Roger Federer doing it. Here's Maria Sharapova. Here's an angry shot-putter. Here's Harbhajan Singh swearing at Kevin Pietersen. Here's Serena Williams being defaulted from the 2009 US Open for threatening to kill a line judge.
One of the things that makes sport great is the emotion that it conjures, both in participants and spectators, and anyone who attempts to legislate that emotion away is my enemy and the enemy of football. I am not a United fan, but I thought their second-half performance on Saturday was brilliantly compelling. It brought me a lot of pleasure. Frankly, Rooney can come to my house and swear directly into my face as often as he likes if it's going to help him do it again. OK, it might get a bit tiresome after a while.
As the furore grew on Saturday Rooney released a statement. "I want to apologise for any offence," he said. "Emotions were running high. On reflection my reaction was inappropriate." This should have been the end of it, but the Football Association, as ever, sought the last word.
If this mucky business causes Rooney to consider, while playing, the possibility of a microphone picking up his words and broadcasting them to horrified millions, and if considering that means that for even a fraction of one second he is distracted from his football, then it must be considered a terrible failure on the part of the FA and the Premier League.
Their job is to create the best possible product, to allow footballers to play as well as they can as often as they can, and they will have failed in that task. If they really want to stop players' swearing from being broadcast perhaps they should do something to keep microphones out of players' faces during matches. Really it is Sky who should be being reprimanded here, for employing a guy with a hand-held camera to run up to players at key moments and poke it in their faces, and the football authorities, for allowing them to do so.
Why did he act right then, his opinion is people shouldnt swear.. but mine is people should tackle like he did, yet he still did it.
I've already answered these arguments. As I said before, Rooney did the most he possibly could to say the F word on air and it was directed at the camera. Obviously it couldn't be heard, but obviously this is way, way different from swearing on the field. As I stated before, it's way more difficult to punish someone for swearing on the field than it is in this situation. And all of the youtube videos posted on this thread are completely different. Each one of them was in an interview right after a game (what happens outside of a game is very different than what happens during it), and they all were clearly accidents. Would I have been bothered if these people were fined? No. But what Rooney did was completely different, he intentionally went up to the camera and said "**** off." I am horrible at lip reading, and was able to understand it. The FA can't sit there and not do anything, obviously they have to make an example out of him. You can't deliberately walk up to the camera in the middle of the game and say "**** off." Anyone that does say deserves a one-match ban.
If you want to argue that the punishment was too harsh, fine, I even agree with you to a certain extent (think it should have been a one match ban not two). But the idea that the decision was inconsistent or a result of unfair bias towards ManU/Rooney is nonsense. Find me another incident of a player intentionally walking right up to the camera, putting his face right into it and swearing at it. And if it did happen, than two wrongs don't make a right...you can't point to another botched decision and claim that it should excuse this one.
What you posted was Stoke city fan's opinion. Nothing different.
I know you dont do it, but when fans up and down the country scream fat **** at him while they take their kids with them, then play the moral card, i call it rank hypocrisy and bullshit
and? When I said 'his opinion' in my last post I was talking about 'CJACKO11' not the Stoke fan's opinion.
I know you dont do it, but when fans up and down the country scream fat **** at him while they take their kids with them, then play the moral card, i call it rank hypocrisy and bullshit
Maybe so but to a 6year old kid who plays football at a young age Rooney is more of a role model to him than his dad is.
His Dad must feel ****** awful then.
Nailed it.
I dont even think anyone even felt offended for the F word. Just FA trying to act big here.
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What you posted was stoke city fan's opinion.
What i posted was CJACKO's opinion.
Stoke city fan said it was yellow at best.
Chelsea fan said it was clear red.
His kid cant copy what hes dad does on the football pitch but he can copy what Rooney does.
I'll say it again - and? You'd think a Stoke fan would be ranting on about it saying it was a blatant red and saying that they would have won had we been down to 10 men.
Are you just purposely being ignorant? Video's have been linked multiple times of managers and players swearing live on TV. So yes, it has happened before in living memory.
How can you say they haven't made a target from him and then say they've set an example from him in the following sentence. They're equivalents.
Rio said to Rooney after his Clapping moment i few years ago for England.. He was a prat and was being stupid. He also told him to grow up. Rio will tell wayne Straight, they are good friends, they can be honest.
so rio says one thing, and you decide it means another? riiiiight
But surely the kid will carry the morals taught by his dad.?
Anyone who see Terry as their role model wont bang their best mates girl friend. They will take what really helps them to fulfill their dream.
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So we should make our judgments based on Stoke city fans reaction? It was clear red. Two footed, studds up and caught Pennant. What more you want..