***THE BETTER HALFS TACTIC UPLOAD & DISCUSSION

xStefan said:
Conceding all the time using cautios in causton, the tactic doesnt seem to be working here are my players

smithies, walker, wilson, loovens,kebe, shelvey, moussa sissoko, kearns, ballotelli, fierro
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Its because its for an older patch. The pressing system is set too low in it. I think I have forgotten to make that clear in the OP. I have tried the tactic in 12.1.1 and whilst it still gets results with underdogs, we conceede far more goals .
 
secreteye12 said:
the 4231 for arsenal isnt working for me and im on the latest patch
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How have you handled the approach ?. Naturally, you have implemented the shouts pregame but when watching the match and the match stats, like tackles ratio and where the opposition/ you hold possession, how do you react ?

Remember that these are not tactics that exploits anything in the ME but just really good settings on how to setup these different approaches, like when wanting to play attacking and stretch the defenisve opponents, or when wanting to hit the opponent on the counter, playing balls in behind their defence, when wanting to use the whole pitch to keep possession and play cautious, not risking too much etc.

Perhaps start out with something easier where you donthave to wantch the game carefully. Are you looking for a plug & play thattakes advantages of the wekanessess in the ME or a tactic where you react to what happends on the fiueld, playing the same whay as the AI ?
 
im now getting better results but dont know which tactic to use at home against great teams?
 
secreteye12 said:
im now getting better results but dont know which tactic to use at home against great teams?
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If you look at the 3rd version, you can see that its a pretty good starting point. Just remember that if you do want to be able to benefit from these approaches, you do need to watch the match. I always watch the fist 10 minutes in full match. Otherwise, it will just be guessing how we/they are playing. Its not about if X, then plug in Y. Its about reading the game and knwoing what each version does and why one should instruct the players to act in a certain way.

After all, if you play keyhiglights, then BAM !, 10 minutes have gone and you have not been able to look at the match stats and then all of a sudden you conceede. If playing like that, then its just down to pot luck if you manage to win.
 
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if this would help this is my current senior squad:
GK:
Szczesny
Fabianski

Defenders:
Vertonghen
Vermaelen
Schwaab
Astori
Koscielny
Mertesacker
Sagna
Cissokho
Kibbs
Santos

Midfielders:
Song
Benayoun
Arteta
Ramsey
Chamberlain
Eriksen
Gervinho

Strikers:
Van Persie
Walcott
Leandro
Chu-Young

Hope that helps!
 
secreteye12 said:
if this would help this is my current senior squad:
GK:
Szczesny
Fabianski

Defenders:
Vertonghen,Vermaelen, Schwaab, Astori, Koscielny, Mertesacker,Sagna, Cissokho, Kibbs, Santos

Midfielders:
Song, Benayoun, Arteta, Ramsey, Chamberlain, Eriksen, Gervinho

Strikers:
Van Persie, Walcott, Leandro, Chu-Young

Hope that helps!
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The way I play the game, I would still use the same approach as written in the Arsenal 4231, the way playedin my Arsenal say. I used RVP and Chamack upfront, Gervinho-benayoun-Walcott infront or Arteta and Song and used the players at my disposal at the back.

I started most matches with the first control approach and then switched ingame.
 
secreteye12 said:
also with that squad who do u think i should buy in january?
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I actually dont see any reason to buy more players in the middle of the season as Wilshere will be back soon. Maybe another player to play in AMR position, a player that likes to cut inside that uou can use as an inside forward, a player with good team work, stamina, work rate and determination, the same kind of person as Park, Valencia, Kuyt etc.
 
TheBetterHalf said:
I decided to start a new save with Leicester, playing a long term save. I have basiclly been using the Arsenal 4231, looking something like this. I use a poacher when playing on the break, a complete FC when playing Control. As you see in the screens, I either play Control and stretch the opponent or play compact and agressiv on the break.


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FA CUP

Played with some cautious shouts and tried to reatain possession. I dropped deeper and used defensive wingers and the FC as a defenisve FC


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Hello TBH, well decided to start again with the Boro (don't ask me how many times - I've lost count) Chose your 4-5-1 tactics, first season in the championship went with attack, balanced and counter.
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Second season using balanced, counter and cautious
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Third season using all 4 strategies but attack only when I was in trouble.
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Into europe a season early, some games against the top teams were just painful to watch but I'm really chuffed with the final league standings :D
 
I'm working on an arsenal tactic and need help with the Cesc/Rosicky role. What position and instructions should I set?

I currently have a AMC with defensive mindedness right beside the AML to make him drop a little deeper to create space for the RVP role.

Should I stick with that or would an attack minded MCL with often "run from deep" be more appropriate?
 
Somethings gone wrong now, I cant seem to score at all. 11 goals in 15 games.

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The goals have dried up from corners, my inside forwards seem to think the corner flag or the fella eating a pork pie on the 15th row of the stand is something to shoot at and my star forward Sanogo seems to have forgotten how to score.
 
havanaclue said:
Somethings gone wrong now, I cant seem to score at all. 11 goals in 15 games.

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The goals have dried up from corners, my inside forwards seem to think the corner flag or the fella eating a pork pie on the 15th row of the stand is something to shoot at and my star forward Sanogo seems to have forgotten how to score.
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Unless you are using the different approaches totally incorrectly,( which you dont) its all down to man managament I am afraid.
 
Hit the nail on the head TBH, team talks seem totally unpredictable in FM 12 but I keep away from saying they were **** and fining their lazy overpaid backsides at the end of games. Thanks again for this thread, I'm one of many who think that making and understanding tactics are too complex (could be that it's too taxing for my one and only brain cell ).
Just beat Newcastle 2-1 at home, couldn't care less about the season as long as we beat the Geordies !
 
Okay I'm trying to figure out some logic in your touchline shouts. Using the Chelsea 4-5-1 as an example.
First the attacking formation. B2B does not hold up the ball ever and passing is always mixed.
(I've read about touchline shouts from FMFT guide)
Play out of defence - unfortunately not mentioned in the above guide
Stay on feet - speaks for itself
Pass to feet - decreases thru balls
Play wider - increases width (and passing to flanks but this overruled by the mixed passing right ?)
Work the ball into the box - decreases long shots
Look for overlap - fullbacks more attacking (and MC hold up the ball - overruled in the B2B)
Retain poss - decreases tempo and pass length
Hassle opponents - increases tempo and closing down, changes marking to tight and man
Exploit flanks - increase width, (pass down wings) full back attack (hold up ball MC)

Some things are contradictory aren't they ? Like Retain poss and hassle. Can you explain a little about these TBH ?
 
havanaclue said:
Okay I'm trying to figure out some logic in your touchline shouts. Using the Chelsea 4-5-1 as an example.
First the attacking formation. B2B does not hold up the ball ever and passing is always mixed.
(I've read about touchline shouts from FMFT guide)
Play out of defence - unfortunately not mentioned in the above guide
Stay on feet - speaks for itself
Pass to feet - decreases thru balls
Play wider - increases width (and passing to flanks but this overruled by the mixed passing right ?)
Work the ball into the box - decreases long shots
Look for overlap - fullbacks more attacking (and MC hold up the ball - overruled in the B2B)
Retain poss - decreases tempo and pass length
Hassle opponents - increases tempo and closing down, changes marking to tight and man
Exploit flanks - increase width, (pass down wings) full back attack (hold up ball MC)
Some things are contradictory aren't they ? Like Retain poss and hassle. Can you explain a little about these TBH ?
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Play out if defence: short passing on back 4

Well, when I use these groupshouts, they are put together to achieve some specific changes and some things are ment to take out each other. If à manager should shout these contradictiv orders, the players would be confused. Play wider !! But retain possession by playing slower and more narrow !! But hassle the opponents and increase the tempo !!!

But as this is à game, all these orders are not given. Here in this example, I want to push up the team and stay close to the oppoent and hassle them. As I dont want to play with a higher tempo, I have to tell them to retain possession but as I dont want to play narrow I have to use more Width etc etc etc . This way, I use these combined shouts to make them play the way I want without touching the sliders.
 
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