***THE BETTER HALFS TACTIC UPLOAD & DISCUSSION

[ihchulk]

Thanks for the quick answer. Added screenshots to my previous post.

 

[TheBetterHalf]

Thanks for the quick answer. Added screenshots to my previous post.

Actually, you could have either way. My only concern is that Leitner is not really up to standard ( compared to other players in the Chmapionsleague), he is simply not strong enough.

 

[oetjhill]

i'm not playing in FMC sadly. well thanks for the info anyway

 

[TheBetterHalf]

i'm not playing in FMC sadly. well thanks for the info anyway

Then it should work. It shold be no problem importing them as me and others have done so. Are yhou suer you are dointg it correctly ? If in doubtm have a look in the sticked thread on the subject ( "How to import tactic")

 

[jmbrl]

finished the season
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pretty disappointing final. had two injuries against manu, one of which was my top goal scorer. this + other injuries didn't leave me with many squad options

but at least those 3 wins against chelsea pretty much shattered their morale and afterwards they only got 1 win and 1 draw from their last 4 games which meant i ended up winning the league by 1 point lmao

 

[TheBetterHalf]

finished the season
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pretty disappointing final. had two injuries against manu, one of which was my top goal scorer. this + other injuries didn't leave me with many squad options

but at least those 3 wins against chelsea pretty much shattered their morale and afterwards they only got 1 win and 1 draw from their last 4 games which meant i ended up winning the league by 1 point lmao

Really good results. Mind you, I will not be drawing any conclusions before the real game is released. One things is certain though, and its that these sets will only get better after some patching ( as the AI uses some exploits, the crosses against the far post, whilst we are not)

 

[TheBetterHalf]

Currenty trying out this tactic with Norwich. So far so good.

Changes from FM12
- Only use the HIgh Press and Lower Press versions
- Implment Opposition Instructions, Show onto weaker foot, on all wide players and FCs








TheBetterHalfs Underdog/small team
The Direct Counter
The Narrow Diamond
beta version

Abstract
Here is the 4th formation using the same approach
People that have read my most in recent years know that I have moved away form using plug & play tactic, tactics that by tweaking sliders in a trial & error manor with the aim to beat the match engine rather than the opponent. So this might come as a slight surprise, being a thread where I not only upload such a tactic, but also that I have used someone else's work as a framework ( Akash777)
( so a big credit to AKASH777)

The Versions
This small set consist of 3 versions that are to be used as plug & play tactics. The first version is called "High Press", the 2nd "Lower press" and the 3rd " Patient Stretching". Playing as an underdog, the main versions are the pressing ones. If you feel that you have the ability to disturb the opponent by putting a **** of a lot more pressure on them, then use the high press and if you are more scared that you might be dragged out of position by this superior team, then use the lower press versionIf playing at the top level or just under it, even as an underdog you will come across teams that you are superior to. Then, you can use the "patient stretch" version as an alternative

Formation & Team settings

Tweaks Focus play

When using the high press version and are playing against a team flooding the midfield (by formation), like a narrow diamond or the formation we are using etc, then I change the focus play from "through the middle" to "mixed" as there will not be enough space.

The flow
using Underdogs
As soon as a counter attack is launched, we keep a direct
game and channel t-balls from the middle onto the flanks for our 3 attacking
players to run onto/to their feet after they have taken a run wide. Our single DMC keeps a restricted game and in front of him we have 2 more attacking minded MCs that always seeks free space. When our fullbacks
get into possession deep down field, they hold on to the ball to drag the
opposition onto them. This means that if we face a tea sitting deep and defend,
our attacking players are likely to make a run forward in vain and the FBs hold
onto the ball, making these attacking players easy to mark as the opposition
simply denies us space to play these direct t-balls into. This is why this
approach is for underdogs and perhaps middle teams.

The flow using better teams/ top teams
It does work for top teams to, don't get me wrong. You would easily win the league with Man U, Man C but the flow wont look as good as playing a different approach and you will see more 1-0, 2-1 wins instead of 3-0. 5-1 etc. Simply put, there is no reason to use it unless you like being in agony over those longshots. Here, its important that the Poacher/Advanced FC in the Left FC spot is a more complete player and the Right False nine also is a really good fininsher as he will be the one being at the end of most moves

The Result
None yet


The players
All players:
Determination, Team Work, Work rate and DecisionAlso notice that I have not brought the "common sense stats" in any of the players beneath, like finishing for the strikers or passing for all players etc.

Fullbacks
Style of play
When not launching an counter attack, they should stay back so no ppms like " get forward" etc. These player act like holding players and when seeing fit, they will try to beat their man
Stats
Here, we are looking for pace, anticipation, positioning, stamina and tackling. Dribbling is a huge plus to.-

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Central Defenders
Style of play
As we use loose zonal marking, make sure that they don't have the ppm " like to tight mark"
Stats:
The normal ones: Remember that Anticipation are crucial for any top team and that pace is needed if the opponent launches balls over the top of the defenders. Remember that the worse concentration they have, the more likely you are to concede late in games and when you are dominating but not scoring yourself

DMC - The Ballwinner
Style of play
Here we use a more limited DMC that is used mainly as a ballwinner.

Stats
Stamina, Strength, anticipation, tackling,
Concentration

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MC´s – Central Mids
Style of play
Here we use 2 central Mids that roam to seek free space. The left is the more creative with higher flair and decision stats.
Stats
Positioning, anticipation, tackling,
Concentration, Creativity, Off the ball

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AMC - The Deep Lying AMC
Style of play
If this players had been playing as a FC, he would have been called a false nine. He drops deeper and after that, he seeks free space and moves into channels. Comes deep to get the ball would be a great PPM here as it also would force the Ms c into finding space wider
Stats
Off the ball, Creativity and Stamina !!

Forward - The Pacey Poacher ( left)
Style of play:
This is the main goalscorer. He
needs to be able to find space, break free from his marker by dribbling past
him. When he moves down the line into channels, its also good if he has good
team work stat so he cross the ball to a team mate instead of taking the poor
angle. At higher level, this player can actually be a player like Tevez or
Aguero, RVP, a player that likes to come deep to get the ball
Stats:
Off the all, Flair, Agility, First touch, Technique

Forward - The False Nine ( right)
Style of play
He drops deeper and after that, he seeks free space and moves into channels. Play with back towards the goal, comes deep are preferred moves here.
Stats
Off the ball, Creativity
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MC´s – Central Mids
Style of play
Here we use 2 central Mids that roam to seek free space. The left is the more creative with higher flair and decision stats.
Stats
Positioning, anticipation, tackling,
Concentration, Creativity, Off the ball

Download Link
http://www.fm-base.co.uk/forum/downl...o=file&id=6659

 

[woody513]

Hi, I'm playing as Stevenage in League One. I have been doing okay but I keep conceding goals from crosses. Constantly the full backs don't block crosses and my center backs always lose out to the opposition defenders. Any tips? Also noticed that the opposition's full backs overlap and are unmarked a lot.

 

[Newmanager]

I'm really struggling to design a 4-2-3-1 (with 2 wide men) for Newcastle in Fm 2013

The 4 areas I seem to struggle most with

1) Right role / job for wide men - I set these usually as Inside forwards. Wide play as cut inside. Often run from deep. Then sometimes for everything else (through balls, crosses, long shots, run with ball etc.)

2) Right role for 2 CM's - I'm never sure how attacking or defensive to set them, or how much to get them to run forward / run with ball etc. I reckon there needs to be 1 BWM, who presumably is set very defensively? But what about the other one

3) For the striker - i set them as poacher - again not sure if that's better than complete forward/target man. Don't know really what other settings to change however

4) What's the best way to setup the team? I usually go for short passes, with default creative freedom, but don't know if that's the best blend

 

[krizzz88]

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I've made a decent 4-2-3-1 narrow formation with two deep lying playmakers. It's been working a treat so far, granted it's only been a few matches. Would like to have a second opinion on it though, just because it's the first tactic I've made that actually has been crunching out a few results.

The striker is not much involved though, so I can imagine it'll be even better with a poacher up there rather then the setting it's currently on.

 

[TheBetterHalf]

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I've made a decent 4-2-3-1 narrow formation with two deep lying playmakers. It's been working a treat so far, granted it's only been a few matches. Would like to have a second opinion on it though, just because it's the first tactic I've made that actually has been crunching out a few results.

The striker is not much involved though, so I can imagine it'll be even better with a poacher up there rather then the setting it's currently on.

Regarding the striker not being involved, its mainly down to him being too advanced, making runs to stretch the opponents defence rather then staying in the middle. Its nothing wrong with this setup, its just that his role wont be the one of a poacher. Since you are also playing with a low d-line, you will find tyhat he will make many of those forward runs in vain when your team keeps possession in defence ( as they are starting out from really deep, breraking up attacks from deep more often).
If wanting to get him more involved in the play/build up, you probably need to have other players making those runs so in the end, its just a matter of chosing what players that should take care of the passing and flair and what players to act as "team players"

When I tweak sliders and setup my own tactics, its basically because I try to find workarounds( not exploits) for the flaws in the ME. But as this is a Beta, there is no point drawing conclusions at all so instead, just use this period to get top know the game, the shortcuts, the traning and the other new features etc.

 

[TheBetterHalf]

I'm really struggling to design a 4-2-3-1 (with 2 wide men) for Newcastle in Fm 2013

The 4 areas I seem to struggle most with

1) Right role / job for wide men - I set these usually as Inside forwards. Wide play as cut inside. Often run from deep. Then sometimes for everything else (through balls, crosses, long shots, run with ball etc.)

2) Right role for 2 CM's - I'm never sure how attacking or defensive to set them, or how much to get them to run forward / run with ball etc. I reckon there needs to be 1 BWM, who presumably is set very defensively? But what about the other one

3) For the striker - i set them as poacher - again not sure if that's better than complete forward/target man. Don't know really what other settings to change however

4) What's the best way to setup the team? I usually go for short passes, with default creative freedom, but don't know if that's the best blend

Firstly, I would not try to tweak the tactics to make up for the flaws in the ME. AS this is a Beta, those flaws might not even be there in 2 weeks. Instead, Just plat around with the rest of the game and get to know the transfer system, the new training module etc

1.) Inside Forwards works bets when either NOT using an AMC or when this AMC has the job of opening up space for the Wingers by moving into channels and roamimg, making runs form deep often.
Try using them as normal wingers instead or setup the AMC as above

2.) I would tweak this depending on the opposition and the match flow. If the opponent flood the midfield, its dangerous to have them run with the ball as they have no cover when loosing the ball. When playing a wide 4231, it usually use a ballwinner and one playmaker.

Against teams playing cautious, I want to break up attacks high up in the field and have a creative players spreading balls form deep so here, I use a Ballwinner on support and a Deep PLM, either on defend on support'

If facing teams that pushes up their team and actually attacks you, then I normally let my ballwinner or CM be on DEFEND and use a more advanced playmaker. I would also consider using the Wingers as Defensive wingers if feeling that the opposition is a big threat

If facing really hard opposition, I would use a ballwinner on defend and a CM on defend and more rigid

3.) Don't change any settings sway from the roles in the TC, at least not initially. If wanting to play the game more in-depth, the why not make sure that you have a few AMC-FC combinations ready at hand and use them differently depending on the situation.

Examples:

If you have a big target man upfront that is on attack, then you need to play more balls into space ( Think Cavani). Here, what kind of AMC should you use ? One that also moves into channels or one that actually stays on the hole and moves into the box from there ?. Would you say that this approach works better against teams sitting deep and against teams pushing up ?.

If you have a TQ or Complete FC that likes to come deep ( Think Ibra or Rooney), would you say its perhaps better to have a AMC making moves into channels or having an AMC staying in the same positions that the FC drops into ?. Again, against what opposition would it work better to use a TQ/Deep dropping FC, is it against teams pushing up their d-line and closing out the hole between the Defense and midfield..or.. would you say its a better idea against a team sitting deep ?


4. ) Again, its no correct answer here, My best advice would be to use the Default setting for passing and then use the shouts or change it.

 

[TheBetterHalf]

Hi, I'm playing as Stevenage in League One. I have been doing okay but I keep conceding goals from crosses. Constantly the full backs don't block crosses and my center backs always lose out to the opposition defenders. Any tips? Also noticed that the opposition's full backs overlap and are unmarked a lot.

Firstly, there too accurate crossing and the defenders not caring for balls being played in behind their back is an engine flaw but if seeing too many of those, its a combination of your tactic and this flaw. Start out by showing all wide players inside and take it from there.

 

[TheBetterHalf]

Update:


Here is a slightly tweaked version of the set for FM13. So far I have tried it with Man U and Wigan

 

[W4NKER]

Update:


Here is a slightly tweaked version of the set for FM13. So far I have tried it with Man U and Wigan

What type of results TBH?

 

[Adi1974]

tbh what skin were you using for fm12 ....? im still playing that as cant be botherd with the beta version of 13 im being boreing and waiting for my the disc to be deliverd

 

[TheBetterHalf]

What type of results TBH?

With Man U, its one draw and 9 wins. With Wigan, its 5-3-1.
Mind you, these tweaks are just small ones and does not include any workarounds for the flaws Of the Beta. We still make to few t-balls/key passes but as soon as the first patches are out, it Will get better.

Like my last game against Olympiacos, we had 6 cccs and 8 half chances but no key passes from the MCs.

 

[TheBetterHalf]

tbh what skin were you using for fm12 ....? im still playing that as cant be botherd with the beta version of 13 im being boreing and waiting for my the disc to be deliverd

Skins name is SCORPIO. I am basiclly playing the Beta to be able to help and answer questions about it.

 

[S23YME]

Going to give this a go with my Blackburn squad tonight

 

[TheBetterHalf]

Latest match

As you see, we dominated the game in full but yet, we only made 1 key pass in midfield, 1 from a wingback ( and then 3 from the FC)
These are the things that I believe is to be changed after the game is released.

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