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Alcaraz said:
What does everyone think of a potential Lukaku return? Price may put people off but he will undoubtedly be on the best strikers in thr world one day
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I can only go off what blues have repeatedly said, and that's he's incredibly lazy. If I had a pound for every time I heard them last year 'Another boss goal from Lukaku. But what a lazy **** he is!' It's either on a plate for him, or he's not interested. Looked more interested the Euros', but is that down to wanting to impress for a move?

I honestly don't know? His goal record is excellent and he looks to have every attribute to be a Drogba type. But there's VERY mixed views from Evertonians. And this was well before he wanted away. Would that mesh with what Conte demands?
 
Scouseinthehouse said:
I can only go off what blues have repeatedly said, and that's he's incredibly lazy. If I had a pound for every time I heard them last year 'Another boss goal from Lukaku. But what a lazy **** he is!' It's either on a plate for him, or he's not interested. Looked more interested the Euros', but is that down to wanting to impress for a move?

I honestly don't know? His goal record is excellent and he looks to have every attribute to be a Drogba type. But there's VERY mixed views from Evertonians. And this was well before he wanted away. Would that mesh with what Conte demands?
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He does seem far too outspoken and confident for his own good which is something I have always criticized him for. Also the way he left Chelsea still leaves a bad taste in my mouth. But no one can deny his immense potential. I think if he buckles down and is willing to temper down his confidence and direct his energies in the right manner, only the sky is the limit. But I can see where you are coming from. In his present state, he does not seem like a player Conte will appreciate. Talks way too much
 
Alcaraz said:
What does everyone think of a potential Lukaku return? Price may put people off but he will undoubtedly be on the best strikers in thr world one day
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Not for me. There's no denying he's a good player, but he's just so f**king frustrating to watch, and the price Everton are demanding is ridiculous!
 
Chelski Shogun said:
Not for me. There's no denying he's a good player, but he's just so f**king frustrating to watch, and the price Everton are demanding is ridiculous!
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Prices have exploded this summer due to the new TV deal. I agree Lukaku can be frustrating to watch but give it 4 years and he will likely become one of the best in the world and we all will be crying that we let go of him. Remember even Pogba is frustrating at times but no one was complaining when we nearly got him last summer ...
 
Napoli do not want to sell Koulibaly. Valencia do not want to lose Mustafi after selling Andre Gomes and they have a billionaire owner now anyways so no compulsion to sell. Kostas Manolas has some crazy clause in his contract in which 50% of any transfer fee goes to his previous club which is driving his price to astronomical levels. Rudiger has a long-term injury. Bonucci remains a pipe dream.

Not looking good for us at all on the CB front. Probably enhances the importance of the Kante signing as well.
 
Alcaraz said:
Prices have exploded this summer due to the new TV deal. I agree Lukaku can be frustrating to watch but give it 4 years and he will likely become one of the best in the world and we all will be crying that we let go of him. Remember even Pogba is frustrating at times but no one was complaining when we nearly got him last summer ...
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Yeah, prices are absolutely ridiculous this summer. I mean the only thing that makes this Lukaku deal look reasonable is the fact that Real are demanding the same price for Morata. But we'll see with Lukaku. If we sign him, Diego will leave.

Alcaraz said:
Napoli do not want to sell Koulibaly. Valencia do not want to lose Mustafi after selling Andre Gomes and they have a billionaire owner now anyways so no compulsion to sell. Kostas Manolas has some crazy clause in his contract in which 50% of any transfer fee goes to his previous club which is driving his price to astronomical levels. Rudiger has a long-term injury. Bonucci remains a pipe dream.

Not looking good for us at all on the CB front. Probably enhances the importance of the Kante signing as well.
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Yep, it's not looking good according to the reports. But Bonucci, Koulibaly and Manolas were always going to be difficult deals to pull off. Mustafi is probably still possible (I wonder what his release clause is?), and Rudiger would be a Chelsea player right now had he not injured himself.

We'll get a centre-back in, we have to. The next names on the 'shortlist' are Stefan de Vrij (Lazio) and Victor Lindelof (Benfica) a.k.a 'Iceman', who earn't that nickname because he's (apparently) very balanced and calm on the ball.
 
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Alcaraz said:
Napoli do not want to sell Koulibaly. Valencia do not want to lose Mustafi after selling Andre Gomes and they have a billionaire owner now anyways so no compulsion to sell. Kostas Manolas has some crazy clause in his contract in which 50% of any transfer fee goes to his previous club which is driving his price to astronomical levels. Rudiger has a long-term injury. Bonucci remains a pipe dream.

Not looking good for us at all on the CB front. Probably enhances the importance of the Kante signing as well.
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We're meant to be in for De Vrij too, and he is as good as anyone on that list bar Bonucci, imo. Only 24 too, perfect combination of long term prospects and first team experience.

Re: Lukaku. Like him a lot as a player, a lot less as a person and even less a potential Chelsea signing. His cost is insane and he still has exactly the same weaknesses that he suffered from before. I don't want 2 fairly rough strikers + Traore as our options behind Costa. If we're going for another player upfront and we're paying that sort of money, Lacazette is the best option by far.
 
Scouseinthehouse said:
I presume the 2 year loan for Christensen has no clause to bring him back a year early then?
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We had the option to bring him back after the first year, but he and the club decided it was best for his develop to 'see out' the loan deal. Which I think was the right decision.
 
You want a big Belgium striker with bags of potential that's a lazy **** we can do you Benteke for around half what Everton want for Lukaku.

Even throw in Mario. Or do you a separate deal on him for a box of programmes.

Bargains!

*Edit* OH OH OH, almost forgot. With Bentke, you also get the added bonus off ******* of Pardew. And who doesn't want to **** off that humongous *******?!!!!!
 
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Scouseinthehouse said:
You want a big Belgium striker with bags of potential that's a lazy **** we can do you Benteke for around half what Everton want for Lukaku.

Even throw in Mario. Or do you a separate deal on him for a box of programmes.

Bargains!

*Edit* OH OH OH, almost forgot. With Bentke, you also get the added bonus off ******* of Pardew. And who doesn't want to **** off that humongous *******?!!!!!
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Please no...

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Subtle said:
We're meant to be in for De Vrij too, and he is as good as anyone on that list bar Bonucci, imo. Only 24 too, perfect combination of long term prospects and first team experience.

Re: Lukaku. Like him a lot as a player, a lot less as a person and even less a potential Chelsea signing. His cost is insane and he still has exactly the same weaknesses that he suffered from before. I don't want 2 fairly rough strikers + Traore as our options behind Costa. If we're going for another player upfront and we're paying that sort of money, Lacazette is the best option by far.
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Yep, Lacazette > Lukaku.

Out of curiosity Subtle, how do you feel about Conte's plans to utilise a 4-4-2 with our squad? Obviously that could change in the coming weeks, but at the moment it seems 4-4-2 is the plan.
 
Subtle said:
We're meant to be in for De Vrij too, and he is as good as anyone on that list bar Bonucci, imo. Only 24 too, perfect combination of long term prospects and first team experience.

Re: Lukaku. Like him a lot as a player, a lot less as a person and even less a potential Chelsea signing. His cost is insane and he still has exactly the same weaknesses that he suffered from before. I don't want 2 fairly rough strikers + Traore as our options behind Costa. If we're going for another player upfront and we're paying that sort of money, Lacazette is the best option by far.
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De Vrij also missed the entire last season with injury which is something to worry about. But for the lack of better options, I would not mind taking a punt on him. Low risk-high reward type of deal.

Agreed on Lacazaette. Very strange we have not been linked even tenuously. But if its between Morata and Lukaku on who to spend big bucks, I pick Lukaku for added sentimental reasons.
 
Chelski Shogun said:
Yep, Lacazette > Lukaku.

Out of curiosity Subtle, how do you feel about Conte's plans to utilise a 4-4-2 with our squad? Obviously that could change in the coming weeks, but at the moment it seems 4-4-2 is the plan.
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It's good in lots of ways, but I wonder where it leaves Fabregas. Even with Kante, I'm not convinced by him in a midfield 2, so what do we do with him? The thing that has intrigued me has been that Conte seems to have been playing around with the idea of RLC behind the striker in more of a 4-4-1-1 sort of thing, maybe he has the same thing planned for Cesc?

Whilst we're on the subject, I think this is going to be my go to example to explain to people how fluid formations are and how they shouldn't rely too much on notation. We've been playing a 4-4-2, which becomes more of a 4-2-4 in attack, but often with a sort of secondary striker playing a bit deeper and the main striker ahead of the two wingers, aka a 4-2-3-1.
 
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Koulibaly's agent saying his client wants to leave the club and not renew a contract. Could be just posturing to get a better deal but I suspect this is one of those transfer saga's that will drag out for a while especially with De Laurentis involved.
 
Subtle said:
It's good in lots of ways, but I wonder where it leaves Fabregas. Even with Kante, I'm not convinced by him in a midfield 2, so what do we do with him? The thing that has intrigued me has been that Conte seems to have been playing around with the idea of RLC behind the striker in more of a 4-4-1-1 sort of thing, maybe he has the same thing planned for Cesc?

Whilst we're on the subject, I think this is going to be my go to example to explain to people how fluid formations are and how they shouldn't rely too much on notation. We've been playing a 4-4-2, which becomes more of a 4-2-4 in attack, but often with a sort of secondary striker playing a bit deeper and the main striker ahead of the two wingers, aka a 4-2-3-1.
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Yeah, I have my concerns about Fabregas' effectiveness in a two-man midfield as well, but I think it could work. However I can't see Conte pushing Fabregas higher up the pitch, it negates what he's good at. I think we'll start the season with...

Hazard - Kanté - Fabregas - Willian

...in midfield, with Dave operating behind Hazard at LB. But whatever formation/s we use this season it's evident that Conte wants to use two up top, and that he demands real width from his wide-men.
 
Hopefully Ivanovic will take right back slot,rather than CB,even tho he is slow he helps a lot defensivly,while having an eye for a pass/cross
 
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