Indeed, but wasnt that the approach from pretty much the whole team anyway? It seems to me like they all couldn't really give a **** about that game and all of their attitude was appalling. They have most likely give up on Wenger a long time ago like all of us, but that doesn't excuse their performance yesterday.
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Indeed, but wasnt that the approach from pretty much the whole team anyway? It seems to me like they all couldn't really give a **** about that game and all of their attitude was appalling. They have most likely give up on Wenger a long time ago like all of us, but that doesn't excuse their performance yesterday.
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Pretty much but as you said, it still doesn't any of them as individuals.
They might not like Wenger. They might not like the toxic situation around the club. But you're paid to be professional and at least give everything you have. Not least to the 2.700 or so who paid their hard earned money to travel up to Anfield yesterday.
I'm not naive enough to know that it doesn't happen all the time. The players have all the power now. L'pool players were an absolute disgrace when they stopped playing for Hodgson. As much as he needed to go. Same Utd under van Gaal. The carrot of Cup glory aside. As much as he needed gone too. But it still doesn't make it right or the individuals any less of a disgrace.
I won't do a 180 now that it is pretty sure we will sign him, so I'll just say it: I don't think he is as good as people claim he is. I hope he proves me wrong, but I have my doubts about Ox. When we signed Cole from Arsenal, everyone knew he was class, but the Ox, for me is far too inconsistent, and I seriously have no idea what the **** is his position. Jack of all trades, master of none.
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We have today signed Kylian Hazard, who joins up with our development squad...
Tbf, Moses wasn't anything special until Conte got his hands on him. This could be the revitalization Ox needs to step up and get his career on track
I sure as **** won't mind that. 35M is a big investment.
He was a good squad player in the DiMateo/Rafa season, with obvious potential for more. I never understood why his career stalled, just another one of Mourinho's weird personnel decisions during his 2nd time in Chelsea.
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Well that's awkward.
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Oxlade-Chamberlain has rejected Chelsea move & wants to join Liverpool. Bid lower than #CFC £40m expected. Otherwise will stay at #AFC #LFC
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Oxlade-Chamberlain has rejected Chelsea move & wants to join Liverpool. Bid lower than #CFC £40m expected. Otherwise will stay at #AFC #LFC
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Here's the thing. We can't and wouldn't offer him that.
Nor could we match the wages Chelsea would go to.
If, and it's still a big if, he came to L'pool, he'd be coming because he's bought into the manager and what's he's building.
Nor could we match the wages Chelsea would go to.
If, and it's still a big if, he came to L'pool, he'd be coming because he's bought into the manager and what's he's building.
At this point, its not about the wages for Ox. Its about regular game time. He has been led to believe that he will get that at Liverpool at CM whereas Chelsea want to play him at RWB only. This all comes from David Ornstein whose tweet you yourself posted on here.
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I know what the media line is mate but anyone that thinks any player is either guaranteed a position or a regular spot the first XI under Klopp is, let's be kind and say 'naive.'
He'd get his games as we have a slew of them. But he'd in competition with everyone else and would play where he was needed.
Thats great but he has been led to believe that he has a real chance playing CM under Klopp. This has all come from Ornstein whose tweet you posted. You can't dismiss what does not suit your narrative and only push stuff that does.
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I'm not dismissing or pushing anything.
We don't play with a WB system. You do and apparently, want him solely for that role.
He would prefer to play the middle. There's far more opportunity at Anfield being as, per what you keep referencing, you only want him to play RWB.
But he won't be 'guaranteed' a specific position or amount of time on the pitch.
Where do you think Lemar is going to fit into all this? Aside from what's there already? Would Alex start ahead of him inside?
Oxlade-Chamberlain would add great versatility to the squad. Nottin' more. Nottin' less.
And I wasn't suggesting he was money orientated. I merely said L'pool wouldn't be paying him anything like Arsenal or Chelsea could.
We don't play with a WB system. You do and apparently, want him solely for that role.
He would prefer to play the middle. There's far more opportunity at Anfield being as, per what you keep referencing, you only want him to play RWB.
But he won't be 'guaranteed' a specific position or amount of time on the pitch.
Where do you think Lemar is going to fit into all this? Aside from what's there already? Would Alex start ahead of him inside?
Oxlade-Chamberlain would add great versatility to the squad. Nottin' more. Nottin' less.
And I wasn't suggesting he was money orientated. I merely said L'pool wouldn't be paying him anything like Arsenal or Chelsea could.
Which is exactly why he wants the move to Liverpool. You folks want to play him at CM and he will get more game time there. At Chelsea, he would be 4th or 5th choice CM. Nothin' more to it.
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And what makes you think he wouldn't be that or worse at Liverpool? If you wanted to do a depth chart adding Lemar and Alex to what we have already?
As I said all this has come from David Ornstein. This is what Ox has been led to believe. That he is far greater chance of playing CM and getting significant minutes there than at Chelsea who only intend to use him at RWB.
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I think way too much is being put on this positional/ starting thing by the media (and all you've done is extrapolated from the tweet he'd get that at Anfield) and if truth be told he just wants out of Arsenal at all costs.
And he had it reminded to him again first hand Sunday what he can be a part of.
But if you think anyone's under any guarantees on anything under Klopp well ..... Come to that any manager that guarantees any player anything is pretty darn foolish IMHO. You never know what will happen week-to-week in footie.
And he had it reminded to him again first hand Sunday what he can be a part of.
But if you think anyone's under any guarantees on anything under Klopp well ..... Come to that any manager that guarantees any player anything is pretty darn foolish IMHO. You never know what will happen week-to-week in footie.