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Bujakaa said:
I was bit afraid about that tackle but he seems good, just walk it off.
Clad u liked him. Hope he continue impressing Klopp and fans.

When is you next friendly?
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Saturday night/ Sunday morning against Milan in San Francisco.

I'll box have a look and box off the time for you. He'll defo be stating that one too.
 
Scouseinthehouse said:
And to the above, not only do you have no concept of how he works, you have little understanding of exactly what money has been available to him all summer.
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Klopp has worked that way so far because he has been forced to as both Dortmund and Liverpool could never compete at the top of the elite in terms of financial firepower. Of course what you say may be true. He may very well be a manager who chooses to build from the bottom even if he did have money to spend. But until we see evidence of that, its premature to credit him as such. Its akin to praising a poor man for not spending exorbirantly on a Versace dress. Makes no sense as both are just making the best of their current circumstances.

And as Mike pointed out above, he has certainly maximised what he had to spend on players like Mane and Wijnaldaum who hardly came cheap. Which already indicates that if he had more money, he is open to spending it on proper top players. Unless of course you are telling me he had financial power on par with United and chose to only buy Mane and Wijnaldaum which is obviously bs.
 
Mike ironically completely refuted your point genius, as much as he was trying to make another, about not having money with Zielinski/ Wynaldum which you agreed with.

He wanted Zielinski as he was younger and he trusts his coaching ability to mould and improve players. He had a value on him. It wasn't something he was 'forced' into. HE wanted him for HIS price. But Udinese thought otherwise and dicked us around. So we moved on to Wynaldum. Someone else he's been tracking for years. But who's 5 years and a heck of a lot more experience/ goals/ assists better. And as such he valued him higher. As soon as he switched targets, the money was there and it was boxed off quick. Like the money's been there all summer if he wanted to spend more on fees or wages. But he doesn't. Not because he's 'forcesd to' by a lack of finances. Because he WANTS to. It's what he likes best. COACHING players into better players. He's said on numerous occasions one of the biggest thrills he gets on game day is beating teams that are perceived better than his. Teams that cost a lot more to assemble with 'perceived' better/ more ready players.

EVERY player Klopps signed thus far, Klopp WANTED. He may well of had Gotze first in line before Mane. But as soon as we ditched that, he moved onto Mane. A player he WANTED and had tracked for the last 4 years. And the extra £10 million or so between the two was instantly there. Funny pattern here huh? If he wanted to go spend £40/ 50 plus million, he'd be backed. FSG, for all their faults, are ALL in on this manager. They've just committed £50 million or so in guaranteed salary the next 6 years to him and his two assistants. You think they'd do that and NOT fully back him? You think HE'D sign up for that if he WASN'T happy he had their FULL backing to do whatever he needed?

But hey, continue to delude yourself that what he truly needs/ wants are big money names and he's only working within the parameters above him. No matter what he says, no matter what the club does, no matter what anyone explains to you; you have a perceived idea so continue on at your leisure.

We'll happily continue on with one of the best coaches in the World doing it his way, by his CHOICE, and let him do what he's done everywhere else. Build a club from top to bottom and leave it in a **** of a lot better state when than the one he arrived at after another long term project in his career.
 
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Average Joe said:
Suso to score the winner ;)
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Have to play a **** load better than against Munich mate.

If Bayern had been at all interested that would of been a comfortable win. Only caught the second half before our game and Bayern were just half arising it.
 
Scouseinthehouse said:
Have to play a **** load better than against Munich mate.

If Bayern had been at all interested that would of been a comfortable win. Only caught the second half before our game and Bayern were just half arising it.
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A half arsed Bayern is still better than 70% of teams haha.

That Suso volley misskick was quite funny tbf
 
I didn't refute his point at all, Scouse. Spending £25m on Widnaldum isn't competing with the elite. He was quite clearly and alternate to Zielinksi.

When Klopp joined Dortmund, they were still reeling from the long term effects of bankruptcy. Watzke wanted make sure that never happened, so his target was untapped areas of the market. Zorc was there with his eye to find targets, Klopp was a manager who could work that way. Dortmund had a motif trying to stay profitable off every success where they could. Lewandowski the exception, because he wanted Bayern so badly he rejected every other major club, including UNited (25m) and Madrid (33m)

Liverpool on an absolute scale have more money than Dortmund, but the same relative issues come into play. They can't financially compete with either Manchester club, or Chelsea (technically they are also behind Arsenal, but Arsenal rarely flex any power); nor Bayern; Real and Barca; nor PSG.

Long term Liverpool want to, that's quite clear from the way they are trying to catch up in the commercial market.

You keep talking about coaching as if Klopp is the only one in the league who can improve players by coaching. 3 excellent ones just walked into the league, two who have proven to be world class.

You could spend £50m on one player, but it would have ramifications on the rest of your budget. That's kind of the point. and it's not like this stuff is hard to prove, financials come out every quarter, but you don't even need to read those to know Liverpool simply do not bring in enough money to compete with the Manchester clubs, so Liverpool cut their cloth accordingly. Which isn't even a critique of Liverpool.

Klopp had alternate targets, like most managers do. Klopp has been tracking some for years, like many managers do.

Just because he's pitched up at Liverpool in the last year, doesn't mean people know him any less than Liverpool fans, unless they have been living in a cave.
 
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Never said it was competing with the elite. We know our limitations in that aspect. We know we are a good ways behind Utd financially through years of criminal mismanagement. But we also know if Klopp had those finances behind him to go drop £100 million or more on a player he more than likely wouldn't. It's NOT how he works.

You refuted his point that the money's not there and the manager isn't choosing to buy who he wants.

Mans if you don't see the major difference in Klopp trusting his coaching ability as opposed to Moutinho and Pep spending big and buying the experienced, ready made product I don't know what to tell you. Different approaches and each with merit to differing situations, ideas. But VASTLY different all the same.
 
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Scouseinthehouse said:
Never said it was competing with the elite. We know our limitations in that aspect. We know we are a good ways behind Utd financially through years of criminal mismanagement. But we also know if Klopp had those finances behind him to go drop £100 million or more on a player he more than likely wouldn't. It's NOT how he works.

You refuted his point that the money's not there and the manager isn't choosing to buy who he wants.

Mans if you don't see the major difference in Klopp trusting his coaching ability as opposed to Moutinho and Pep spending big and buying the experienced, ready made product I don't know what to tell you. Different approaches and each with merit to differing situations, ideas. But VASTLY different all the same.
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Both coaches have trusted their coaching ability for years. Both have gone for young players, both have moulded and reimagined players too. Throwing out that they have have only ever bought experienced and ready made is nonsense. They are both very different and the same in they both cover all the bases, there is no single trick to them
 
Arguing they aren't that type of manager in the main is beyond nonsense.

But c'est la vie. We're more than happy with our lot and how it works and that's our only concern.
 
Scouseinthehouse said:
Arguing they aren't that type of manager in the main is beyond nonsense.

But c'est la vie. We're more than happy with our lot and how it works and that's our only concern.
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They arent though. They fill holes as they see fit, from the club or at the market or redesigning a player. Weird to argue they are any less coaches than Klopp.

Mourinho won the CL with a Porto side that had less money than Liverpool, and did the same with an Inter side that was needing rejuvination (incidentally Inter never actually made the changes that they should have to that side). They have both worked at elite level clubs, but they still coach, improve and fundamentally change players.
 
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Mike. said:
They arent though. They fill holes as they see fit, from the club or at the market or redesigning a player. Weird to argue they are any less coaches than Klopp.

Mourinho won the CL with a Porto side that had less money than Liverpool, and did the same with an Inter side that was needing rejuvination (incidentally Inter never actually made the changes that they should have to that side). They have both worked at elite level clubs, but they still coach, improve and fundamentally change players.
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They do the best with the resources they are given. Mourinho did not have much at Porto and adapted accordingly. At United he does and he is maximising it. Klopp has never been in a position where he could work with true financial power like United have so its weird to claim he will always build from the bottom no matter what.
 
Alcaraz said:
They do the best with the resources they are given. Mourinho did not have much at Porto and adapted accordingly. At United he does and he is maximising it. Klopp has never been in a position where he could work with true financial power like United have so its weird to claim he will always build from the bottom no matter what.
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Believing the man's own words and actions. I can see how you'd find that 'weird.'

Just like aside from starting out at Porto to a lesser extent, Mourinho and Pep have walked straight into the perfect scenarios in dominant clubs at the time in respective Countries and not had to actually rely on their coaching abilities without the major backing is a 'weird' thing to apparently say.

Maybe we're just 'weird' period? BTW, that's three 'weird's' in one post. Any prizes for using the buzz word of the day 3 times?
 
Scouseinthehouse said:
Believing the man's own words and actions. I can see how you'd find that 'weird.'

Just like aside from starting out at Porto to a lesser extent, Mourinho and Pep have walked straight into the perfect scenarios in dominant clubs at the time in respective Countries and not had to actually rely on their coaching abilities without the major backing is a 'weird' thing to apparently say.

Maybe we're just 'weird' period? BTW, that's three 'weird's' in one post. Any prizes for using the buzz word of the day 3 times?
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You realise Mourinho managed Uniao de Leria who are not a power in any sense of the word and got them into third place ahead of Benfica and Porto before he left for the latter. Leria will have had a lot less money than Klopp's first team Mainz
 
But they have had to use their coaching. It's why they are known as two of the best coaches in our generation. It's why players laud their methods. Trying to rewrite history to change that to make Klopp seem better and unique is an utter fantasy. It's never been in doubt before, yet suddenly now?
 
ninjaskill said:
You realise Mourinho managed Uniao de Leria who are not a power in any sense of the word and got them into third place ahead of Benfica and Porto before he left for the latter. Leria will have had a lot less money than Klopp's first team Mainz
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Seriously? You're seriously adding with that? His first club.

What's amusing here is the article went up in here, for L'pool fans to discuss as there's been a lot of cry's about why we haven't signed any 'marque' players all over social media from reds.

And it's quickly degenerated into a 'my dicks bigger than your ****' club vs. club thing.

Got to love the Internet
 
Scouseinthehouse said:
Seriously? You're seriously adding with that? His first club.

What's amusing here is the article went up in here, for L'pool fans to discuss as there's been a lot of cry's about why we haven't signed any 'marque' players all over social media.

And it's quickly degenerated into a 'my dicks bigger than your ****' club vs. club thing.

Got to love the Internet
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Second club actually Benfica was first but after the election of a new president he resigned and only managed something like 9 games
 
I'm not one for rumours at all, but today's Mario to Ajax link ...... PLEASE make it so!

Mario. In Amsterdam. What could POSSIBLY go wrong?
 
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