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The problem against deep lying defenses still hunt us this year.
 
Really impressive defending from Burnley.


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^^^^^ Another example of how misleading and often superfluous stats can be.

Congratulations Burnley. Weird day. Nowhere near clinical enough the final third. Should never of lost that but Burnley were so well done them That's football.

Onto Burton.
 
Hopefully this convinces Klopp we still need to strengthen.

Karius, Matip and Can to come in will be a big boost aswell
 
iamauser said:
ahh that's the Liverpool we know and love
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Yep. Exactly what I was saying before the season. A super dangerous cup team, but they still lack title challenging consistency. At least for now. This is the kind of game they have to win.
 
LFCMarshall said:
Hopefully this convinces Klopp we still need to strengthen.

Karius, Matip and Can to come in will be a big boost aswell
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Be good to see 2 of those (hopefully) get a full 90 under their belts Tuesday to see where we are with them for Tottenham.
 
Mike. said:
Yep. Exactly what I was saying before the season. A super dangerous cup team, but they still lack title challenging consistency. At least for now. This is the kind of game they have to win.
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Too many players are consistently similar.

Coutinho, Firmino, Lallana, Mane (perhaps) etc all have the capability to be absolutely fantastic. In spells they can dominate nearly anyone in world football, it just doesn't happen nearly enough.

Frustrating that it seems to happen against the 'smaller' sides who can sit back and play on the counter
 
LFCMarshall said:
Too many players are consistently similar.

Coutinho, Firmino, Lallana, Mane (perhaps) etc all have the capability to be absolutely fantastic. In spells they can dominate nearly anyone in world football, it just doesn't happen nearly enough.

Frustrating that it seems to happen against the 'smaller' sides who can sit back and play on the counter
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Yer know, I'm looking around social media at both the fume of L'pool fans, and the mocking of in particular Utd and Everton fans, and I'm still not feeling it. Frustrated- Undoubtedly. L'pool didn't have the answers they should against far inferior opposition yet again. Bemused- Most assuredly. Still hard to fathom how you can lose a game of football after dominating to such an extent. But I'm still not ****** or feeling the fume raging right now. I get it. The arl 'Here we go again. Same **** different season' thing. And I'd normally be real down after a loss like that and on the warpath too. But this wasn't Watford or Newcastle or Palace from last season. This didn't have that feel at all to me outside the ultimate frustration at losing. Those games we had no idea and were never in them. Today, we completely dominated but made poor final decisions. And that's not to excuse the players. None of them come out with any glowing colours. But it's all fixable things. Mane was a big loss with the difference making he gives that we don't have in anyone else. But the attacking third decisions should of been much better. Hard to legislate for the mistakes on both Burnley's goals. But that's the last 5 shots on Mingolet's goal that have gone past him. That HAS to play on defenders minds when you know you have to be perfect to keep opponents TOTALLY away from your goal or else there's the very serious threat of a goal every time with him behind you.

I would criticise the manger on a few things. Why are we playing Daniel Sturridge wide and deep, with Firmino ahead of him? In theory it's clever. (When Firmino is making forward runs which he wasn't today.). But when Origi comes on, UP FRONT, and Firmino drops back wide, you have to question why one and not the other when if anything the reverse for both would work better. And talking of Origi, not that he got started when he did come on, but why leave it until 65 to change when we just didn't have the final third answer? And there needed to be more pace to our game. That's when we're at our best. When it's flowing and instinctive.

But again, with better decision making, 9 times out of 10 we win a game like that we dominate to such an extent. And that is a lot less of a problem then we had after a loss like this last season.

I don't know. A very frustrating afternoon, but not feeling the fume going around. Shrugs. But we can't afford many more like that. Starting next week at Tottenham.

Congratulations Burnley. You could say you mugged us as you scored, parked the bus, broke, and got back on that bus. But you were clinical and kept to your game plan. We weren't and only half did ours. That's football. This ones past.

36 more games Reds. Get Burton out the way then back on track next Sat'day.
 
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Scouseinthehouse said:
Yer know, I'm looking around social media at both the fume of L'pool fans, and the mocking of in particular Utd and Everton fans, and I'm still not feeling it. Frustrated- Undoubtedly. L'pool didn't have the answers they should against far inferior opposition yet again. Bemused- Most assuredly. Still hard to fathom how you can lose a game of football after dominating to such an extent. But I'm still not ****** or feeling the fume raging right now. I get it. The arl 'Here we go again. Same **** different season' thing. And I'd normally be real down after a loss like that and on the warpath too. But this wasn't Watford or Newcastle or Palace from last season. This didn't have that feel at all to me outside the ultimate frustration at losing. Those games we had no idea and were never in them. Today, we completely dominated but made poor final decisions. And that's not to excuse the players. None of them come out with any glowing colours. But it's all fixable things. Mane was a big loss with the difference making he gives that we don't have in anyone else. But the attacking third decisions should of been much better. Hard to legislate for the mistakes on both Burnley's goals. But that's the last 5 shots on Mingolet's goal that have gone past him. That HAS to play on defenders minds when you know you have to be perfect to keep opponents TOTALLY away from your goal or else there's the very serious threat of a goal every time with him behind you.

I would criticise the manger on a few things. Why are we playing Daniel Sturridge wide and deep, with Firmino ahead of him? In theory it's clever. (When Firmino is making forward runs which he wasn't today.). But when Origi comes on, UP FRONT, and Firmino drops back wide, you have to question why one and not the other when if anything the reverse for both would work better. And talking of Origi, not that he got started when he did come on, but why leave it until 65 to change when we just didn't have the final third answer? And there needed to be more pace to our game. That's when we're at our best. When it's flowing and instinctive.

But again, with better decision making, 9 times out of 10 we win a game like that we dominate to such an extent. And that is a lot less of a problem then we had after a loss like this last season.

I don't know. A very frustrating afternoon, but not feeling the fume going around. Shrugs. But we can't afford many more like that. Starting next week at Tottenham.

Congratulations Burnley. You could say you mugged us as you scored, parked the bus, broke, and got back on that bus. But you were clinical and kept to your game plan. We weren't and only half did ours. That's football. This ones past.

36 more games Reds. Get Burton out the way then back on track next Sat'day.
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I need to catch the game and I will get round to it but just busy in the kitchen tonight creating food for my new business, but I have a theory and would guess it begins from Burnley sitting so deep thus making the pitch bigger, exposes some of your weaknesses more, I may be wrong but will try and catch the game and see
 
Scouseinthehouse said:
Yer know, I'm looking around social media at both the fume of L'pool fans, and the mocking of in particular Utd and Everton fans, and I'm still not feeling it. Frustrated- Undoubtedly. L'pool didn't have the answers they should against far inferior opposition yet again. Bemused- Most assuredly. Still hard to fathom how you can lose a game of football after dominating to such an extent. But I'm still not ****** or feeling the fume raging right now. I get it. The arl 'Here we go again. Same **** different season' thing. And I'd normally be real down after a loss like that and on the warpath too. But this wasn't Watford or Newcastle or Palace from last season. This didn't have that feel at all to me outside the ultimate frustration at losing. Those games we had no idea and were never in them. Today, we completely dominated but made poor final decisions. And that's not to excuse the players. None of them come out with any glowing colours. But it's all fixable things. Mane was a big loss with the difference making he gives that we don't have in anyone else. But the attacking third decisions should of been much better. Hard to legislate for the mistakes on both Burnley's goals. But that's the last 5 shots on Mingolet's goal that have gone past him. That HAS to play on defenders minds when you know you have to be perfect to keep opponents TOTALLY away from your goal or else there's the very serious threat of a goal every time with him behind you.

I would criticise the manger on a few things. Why are we playing Daniel Sturridge wide and deep, with Firmino ahead of him? In theory it's clever. (When Firmino is making forward runs which he wasn't today.). But when Origi comes on, UP FRONT, and Firmino drops back wide, you have to question why one and not the other when if anything the reverse for both would work better. And talking of Origi, not that he got started when he did come on, but why leave it until 65 to change when we just didn't have the final third answer? And there needed to be more pace to our game. That's when we're at our best. When it's flowing and instinctive.

But again, with better decision making, 9 times out of 10 we win a game like that we dominate to such an extent. And that is a lot less of a problem then we had after a loss like this last season.

I don't know. A very frustrating afternoon, but not feeling the fume going around. Shrugs. But we can't afford many more like that. Starting next week at Tottenham.

Congratulations Burnley. You could say you mugged us as you scored, parked the bus, broke, and got back on that bus. But you were clinical and kept to your game plan. We weren't and only half did ours. That's football. This ones past.

36 more games Reds. Get Burton out the way then back on track next Sat'day.
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First of all credit to Burnley they were excellent, pressing us from the get go. The game seriously felt like De Javu and a reminder to fans not to get our hopes to high. On to the performances I know you love Klavan Souse but today highlighted perhaps a weakness in his game, which is that he struggled with the pace of Burnleys forwards. I'm not the biggest fan of Clyne but that weak pass was near suicidal, he has to do better for me. What really stood out for me was the midfield and how easy it was for Burnley to break forward, Hendo at times was left all on his own by Lallana and Wiji. One of them has to make way for Can to help ease the workload of Hendo. Sturridge for me does not look fully fit and the less said about Mingo positioning and footwork for the goals the better. A disappointing loss against a side we should be beating if we want to make Top 4 or beyond.
 
dilakh2 said:
First of all credit to Burnley they were excellent, pressing us from the get go. The game seriously felt like De Javu and a reminder to fans not to get our hopes to high. On to the performances I know you love Klavan Souse but today highlighted perhaps a weakness in his game, which is that he struggled with the pace of Burnleys forwards. I'm not the biggest fan of Clyne but that weak pass was near suicidal, he has to do better for me. What really stood out for me was the midfield and how easy it was for Burnley to break forward, Hendo at times was left all on his own by Lallana and Wiji. One of them has to make way for Can to help ease the workload of Hendo. Sturridge for me does not look fully fit and the less said about Mingo positioning and footwork for the goals the better. A disappointing loss against a side we should be beating if we want to make Top 4 or beyond.
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For all your attacking prowess you are seriously going to miss a proper destroyer
 
dilakh2 said:
First of all credit to Burnley they were excellent, pressing us from the get go. The game seriously felt like De Javu and a reminder to fans not to get our hopes to high. On to the performances I know you love Klavan Souse but today highlighted perhaps a weakness in his game, which is that he struggled with the pace of Burnleys forwards. I'm not the biggest fan of Clyne but that weak pass was near suicidal, he has to do better for me. What really stood out for me was the midfield and how easy it was for Burnley to break forward, Hendo at times was left all on his own by Lallana and Wiji. One of them has to make way for Can to help ease the workload of Hendo. Sturridge for me does not look fully fit and the less said about Mingo positioning and footwork for the goals the better. A disappointing loss against a side we should be beating if we want to make Top 4 or beyond.
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Wouldn't disagree with any of that per se. As mentioned previous, not one player covered themselves in any credit. But it's subtle differences as much as anything to me. Take the game last night for instance. Southampton's players are as clinical as Burnley today, Utd are suddenly in a heap of trouble. They're struggling to create much of anything, but they get one decent cross in the box and Ibrahimovic produces that and makes HT much easier. Now individually we didn't play anywhere near as well as they did at times second half last night, but it was just an off day with some boneheaded decisions the final third.

All fixable and with the players to return, it's not nearly as big a concern as this type of game would of been last year to me. But it can't become a habit.

That said, I get anyone going nuts as it's far from the first time. Just didn't feel like last season's woes to me and I'm surprisingly, to myself anyways, not feeling the fume a lot of reds are.
 
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epic terrorist said:
I need to catch the game and I will get round to it but just busy in the kitchen tonight creating food for my new business, but I have a theory and would guess it begins from Burnley sitting so deep thus making the pitch bigger, exposes some of your weaknesses more, I may be wrong but will try and catch the game and see
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If it helps we didn't play narrow per se and we didn't fail to get wide. We just did completely the wrong things when we did. Neither FB pushed on wide so invariably came back inside. Or players weren't forward for the few decent balls we did put in. When we're inside, we picked out the wrong ball time and again or Phil resorted back to getting frustrated and shooting wildly from distance.

All things we weren't doing pre-season. Just needs more work.
 
Losing to Burnley isn't a concern? Weakest squad in the league Scouse, surely it has to be?

You had a good start winning against Arsenal, but like I said with my earlier post, losing in this game undoes all that now. In this league you have to put away the smaller teams, today you didn't and this is one of your main problems over last few seasons as to why you don't make top 4.
 
zzeezzy said:
Losing to Burnley isn't a concern? Weakest squad in the league Scouse, surely it has to be? .....
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Not related to today, just the last part in general ..... There won't be many if any go to Burnley and roll them over. By the same token they might not win a great deal at home. But it'll be tight 1-0's. Said it before the game, if we were to win as expected we'd have to work our behinds off and earn it. They only conceded 19 at home the last time they were up and they are ostensibly the same side who are real we'll organised and work as hard as anyone.

Don't mistake that for Burnley staying up or being a good group of players. But nobody is getting an easy ride off them this year.
 
zzeezzy said:
Losing to Burnley isn't a concern? Weakest squad in the league Scouse, surely it has to be?

You had a good start winning against Arsenal, but like I said with my earlier post, losing in this game undoes all that now. In this league you have to put away the smaller teams, today you didn't and this is one of your main problems over last few seasons as to why you don't make top 4.
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People will give burnley credit, but anyone thinking they are top 4 will see these as games you win. Simple as that. Burnley are unlikely to win even half their home games. The fact that most of burnley game revolved around longs kicks from Heaton, and simply bypassed the fabled press time and again is another issue.
 
Scouseinthehouse said:
If it helps we didn't play narrow per se and we didn't fail to get wide. We just did completely the wrong things when we did. Neither FB pushed on wide so invariably came back inside. Or players weren't forward for the few decent balls we did put in. When we're inside, we picked out the wrong ball time and again or Phil resorted back to getting frustrated and shooting wildly from distance.

All things we weren't doing pre-season. Just needs more work.
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Just seen the MotD highlights it wasn't what I thought it was going by them highlights, very poor decision making was your achilles today but great defending by Burnley it has to be said.

how I thought they may have beat you was an evolution of the Colombia tactics when they kept playing Yepes at centre half even though he couldn't run.
 
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