This season has got to have the worst officiating I've seen in English football for many years.
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This season has got to have the worst officiating I've seen in English football for many years.
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The Woodburn incident looked stonewall initially, but replays showed it was a dive. Poor play from the lad as he has no reason to go down! Only decision I think they got right today.
As for the decisions, not so easy to say it evens out when it goes against you is it, something we've said before.
Talking about decisions is beside the point, there are several sustained issues here. Confidence, squad depth and tactics. Not going to mention selection because this was far from full strength and can be debated as cup decision. But Liverpool need to deal with the other three long term. And two of them before Chelsea roll in
Talking about decisions is beside the point, there are several sustained issues here. Confidence, squad depth and tactics. Not going to mention selection because this was far from full strength and can be debated as cup decision. But Liverpool need to deal with the other three long term. And two of them before Chelsea roll in
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Exactly, it's an unwritten fans right to complain when they're going against you. I'm not going to come in here and patronize you lot about how it will even out, because I know it's f*ing annoying when it's going against you. You're within your fans rights to moan.
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Not to be that guy, but I was already saying a year ago that you need to bin Sturridge while he can still be sold for more than a paper bag. Could've easily pull another Torres and sell striker with no legs for 40-50 mil. Instead you're now stuck with injury prone hasbeen on a massive contract.
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It's not that anyone's figured out how to play this side mate. It's how this sides style has inexplicably changed. And that's the key issue that's underpinning everything. Formations / tactics can change but your core style you go with to what players you have the start the year sees you through. And we've gone from the fast paced, free flowing, interchanging side that was the best in Europe the late summer/ autumn, to the one now that's completely lacking confidence to do any of that. The passing is pedestrian. The movement's non-existent to the point of been static. The players are taking too many touches on the ball which in turn slows everything down and allows the opposition to get back into position. We aren't getting near enough the amount of bodies forward of late we were the first quarter of the season. The width has disappeared. And to compound it all, the fight has completely gone out of the side. Wolves, ******* WOLVES, were winning every 50/50 today whilst we **** out. We just didn't compete at all. There's no leaders right now among the senior players to be a Gerrard and get ******* gnarly with everyone. Players who want to WIN! Be a ******* man and take responsibility out there! We learnt quickly from Burnley the second game of the year and comfortably dispatched low block teams. But now, for some inexplicable reason, that's all stopped. Key injuries that would have decimated any top 6 side outside save for the two Manchester clubs haven't helped. But the whole change to our style of play is the key issue on the park. Teams aren't so much getting wise to us as L'pool have stopped believing fully/ doing their tried and trusted method. We need to get back to that and fast! Do that, and there's still plenty to go at the second half the year. Don't, and the season will become just a top 4 battle come Wednesday morning.
One thing I'm getting MASSIVELY ****** off with is foreign players/ managers devaluing the FA Cup. Utd ******* started this ***** when they took the disgraceful step to pull out back in 2000 using the FA as an excuse. And ever since, clubs have run with 'if it's all right for Utd ..... ' and devalued it. FFS, today meant EVERY bit as much as Tuesday and Chelsea does to US. You won't get many in the ground on an ugly day that today was weather wise saying they aren't arsed about the FA Cup. We LOVE IT! And the frigging manager, after turning around yesterday and saying he wouldn't make "10" changes, went and made NINE ******* changes and sent out a ridiculous side. Connor frigging Randall can't even get in our U-23 side on a regular basis. Where was Matip? We (rightly) make a big song and dance over the Cameroon/ FIFA bollocks, and then rest him after ONE frigging game! Yet again we have a midfield three I'd fancy my chances moving faster than. Outside of Firmino and Wijnaldum, who were both **** poor when they should of been senior leaders, you've not one player who'd be a first team regular if everyone's fit. If you're gonna' play the likes of Woodburn, Ejaria and Gomez, augment that with quality experience! Klopp got this one badly, BADLY wrong. And fair play to him, he's held his hand up, said it was utter *****, and accepted 100% responsibility for it. But it doesn't alter the fact Liverpool as a club devalued the best knockout cup competition in the World today. When there was absolutely NO need.
For all the talk of a lack of a winger. We have a replacement for Sadio. Just he's been injured until just before Chrimbo and is nowhere near fit. Sheyi Ojo. Someone by me mentioned Redmond today. Where would he of played this year? Mané, Firmino and Coutinho were undroppable every game until this slump. He wouldn't of gotten anywhere near the minutes he has for Southampton.
Utterly ****** off with a lot of things right now. I love Klopp to death but he can go do one this weekend after that side. The senior players who were out there can do the same. Not the youngsters. Gomez was shockingly bad but but it shouldn't be on the shoulders of a Gomez or a Woodburn. And Craig ******* Pawson can disappear off the face of the ******* Earth. Absolute disgrace that fella'.
We should of gone more or less the same side that played Wednesday for me to get some momentum for Tuesday. Now, everyone at the football club is completely down and I don't know how that confidence rises for that crucial game.
We're either waking up Wednesday morning right back in a title race. Or we're waking up with season that promised the Earth reduced to a top 4 place and nothing else.
I just hope I can go to sleep on Tuesday night to be able to face the only acceptable one of those options.
Oh, as a sidenote, why is it every set of complete bellends from absolute, deprived shitholes, sing loudest about 'Signing on' and 'L'pool slums?' Like Wolverhampton is all in gainful employment and living in palatial surroundings. Frigging think will yer dickheads before yers open yer ignorant grids!
Congratulations Wolves. Absolute abysmal bag of ***** L'pool.
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To be fair to Daniel, both Wednesday night and today after he came on, he got himself into some terrific positions but the ball never got to him because our whole game has become that pedestrian nobody either seen it until it was too late, or they were too slow to get the ball to him.
He wasn't great in either game but I can recount a number of occasions both games he made some great runs pulling off defenders to be in space in great positions but never got found.
Difference between seeing his movement live with a view of the whole pitch rather than just what a TV screen allows I guess.
Also, this idea that over the course of the season ref mistakes will "even out" is nonsense. 40 odd games is not relevant enough sample size for anything to even out. Try 4000 games. And that would still only even out the spread of mistakes, which doesn't mean jack **** when one ref mistake can potentially win or lose you a trophy.
Let's say Leicester lose the title by a ref mistake. Would it "even out" eventually? **** no it wouldn't, because they most likely won't even have a chance to win another in the next 50 years.
Let's say Leicester lose the title by a ref mistake. Would it "even out" eventually? **** no it wouldn't, because they most likely won't even have a chance to win another in the next 50 years.
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*Chuckles. Ta mate. It's worryingly become more than a 'blip' and needs to end FAST! I'll be sound come next week.
As someones just reminded me this City is at it's best when we have to stand up and fight in the face of everything.
And boy do we have a massive fight Tuesday evening!
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It's got to go the road of video refs or something like.
How the F do you not only not see the Wolves player move the free kick 10 yards or so forward into a more advantagous position, but then compound it by missing the offside? The lino isn't even running like the incompetent **** that cost us the game at United the other Sunday. He's stood still. Looking along the line. At a free kick!
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I haven't seen enough of Liverpool to compare pal so I'll have to take your word, I only saw you vs Boro away I think it was and you looked unstoppable in that one was a really good performance from yourselves. He will turn it round once you get players back etc.
As an aside had an interesting debate with a pool fan on twitter who was adament the League cup was a better competition than the FA cup just couldnt get my head around that one at all. Wonder what my fwllow forumites thought?
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Maybe you have to be English and of a certain age to of been brought up outside the Sky generation era mate but the FA Cup is still the single best thing you can play in. And I love the League Cup probably more than I should down to personal reasons but nothing matches the FA Cup. Oh for the days when there was hardly any live footie on TV and the Cup Final stopped the entire Nation. Who ever was playing. Getting up dead early and watching TV coverage right through in your pyjamas as the teams had breakie, played games, then the cameras on the coach to the stadium, the marching band, the whole nine yards. Just a magical day that can't be beaten.
Hypothetical. Tell me on Friday that L'pool won't win the league this year. But I have two options for the rest of the season.
L'pool finish top 4, but crash out the Cup today.
L'pool finish outside the top 4, but win the FA Cup.
I'm taking a day out at Wembley and silverware ANY day of the week. It's what being a fan is ALL about.
And there's NO better silverware to win in a one off occasion than the FA Cup to an Englishman of a certain generation.
RE United.
I really wish people would actually get this right. They were told to pull out because it would help Englands 2006 bid. They only finally agreed, because of Bobby Charlton who was part of the England bid, gave the club assurances. Which then promptly disappeared.
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football-united-prepare-to-pull-out-of-fa-cup-1103211.html
Think it's time people refreshed their memory
Find someone else to blame and use as an excuse. Clubs were rotating in the cup before 2000.
I really wish people would actually get this right. They were told to pull out because it would help Englands 2006 bid. They only finally agreed, because of Bobby Charlton who was part of the England bid, gave the club assurances. Which then promptly disappeared.
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football-united-prepare-to-pull-out-of-fa-cup-1103211.html
Think it's time people refreshed their memory
Find someone else to blame and use as an excuse. Clubs were rotating in the cup before 2000.
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Only a view shared by Utd fans.
To everyone else, you ____ all over the FA Cup running with the pressure to participate in the Club World Cup to help the bid line. It wouldn't of been as bad if you'd sent out a scratch side. But to completely pull out ..... Utd set the precedent that a lot of clubs used as cart blanche to start completely devaluing the competition with.
We'll leave it there but you still won't get much sympathy outside of Utd circles for how that played out.
To everyone else, you ____ all over the FA Cup running with the pressure to participate in the Club World Cup to help the bid line. It wouldn't of been as bad if you'd sent out a scratch side. But to completely pull out ..... Utd set the precedent that a lot of clubs used as cart blanche to start completely devaluing the competition with.
We'll leave it there but you still won't get much sympathy outside of Utd circles for how that played out.
Obvioudly didnt read the article then, great.
How you feel, and what actually happened are different things.
The Government, fully behind England's World Cup bid - ironically headed by the United director Sir Bobby Charlton - made its position clear through the Minister for Sport, Tony Banks. "It is my estimation that a failure by Manchester United to go to the new competition in Brazil - particularly if they were replaced by Bayern Munich - would do irreparable damage to our 2006 campaign," he told BBC Radio Five. And David Davies, the FA's interim executive director, said: "It would send the worst possible signal to world football at a time when we are in the midst of the 2006 bid to turn our backs on this tournament."
Direct quotes from the government and FA.
And people have the nerve to complain when United put club players before country ever since
How you feel, and what actually happened are different things.
The Government, fully behind England's World Cup bid - ironically headed by the United director Sir Bobby Charlton - made its position clear through the Minister for Sport, Tony Banks. "It is my estimation that a failure by Manchester United to go to the new competition in Brazil - particularly if they were replaced by Bayern Munich - would do irreparable damage to our 2006 campaign," he told BBC Radio Five. And David Davies, the FA's interim executive director, said: "It would send the worst possible signal to world football at a time when we are in the midst of the 2006 bid to turn our backs on this tournament."
Direct quotes from the government and FA.
And people have the nerve to complain when United put club players before country ever since
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Could of still entered a side in the Cup and gone out to Brazil. Instead you didn't and hid behind the above. Utd made that decision to not do that. That's on UTD! Nobody else.
Again, you'll find little to no sympathy from anyone outside Utd circles on this. Just as I'd expect to have little from around the Country for L'pool of they'd taken the same decision.
But it's past. And I'm currently more concerned with how L'pool devalued things today.
Again, you'll find little to no sympathy from anyone outside Utd circles on this. Just as I'd expect to have little from around the Country for L'pool of they'd taken the same decision.
But it's past. And I'm currently more concerned with how L'pool devalued things today.