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It's not that anyone's figured out how to play this side mate. It's how this sides style has inexplicably changed. And that's the key issue that's underpinning everything. Formations / tactics can change but your core style you go with to what players you have the start the year sees you through. And we've gone from the fast paced, free flowing, interchanging side that was the best in Europe the late summer/ autumn, to the one now that's completely lacking confidence to do any of that. The passing is pedestrian. The movement's non-existent to the point of been static. The players are taking too many touches on the ball which in turn slows everything down and allows the opposition to get back into position. We aren't getting near enough the amount of bodies forward of late we were the first quarter of the season. The width has disappeared. And to compound it all, the fight has completely gone out of the side. Wolves, ******* WOLVES, were winning every 50/50 today whilst we **** out. We just didn't compete at all. There's no leaders right now among the senior players to be a Gerrard and get ******* gnarly with everyone. Players who want to WIN! Be a ******* man and take responsibility out there! We learnt quickly from Burnley the second game of the year and comfortably dispatched low block teams. But now, for some inexplicable reason, that's all stopped. Key injuries that would have decimated any top 6 side outside save for the two Manchester clubs haven't helped. But the whole change to our style of play is the key issue on the park. Teams aren't so much getting wise to us as L'pool have stopped believing fully/ doing their tried and trusted method. We need to get back to that and fast! Do that, and there's still plenty to go at the second half the year. Don't, and the season will become just a top 4 battle come Wednesday morning.

One thing I'm getting MASSIVELY ****** off with is foreign players/ managers devaluing the FA Cup. Utd ******* started this ***** when they took the disgraceful step to pull out back in 2000 using the FA as an excuse. And ever since, clubs have run with 'if it's all right for Utd ..... ' and devalued it. FFS, today meant EVERY bit as much as Tuesday and Chelsea does to US. You won't get many in the ground on an ugly day that today was weather wise saying they aren't arsed about the FA Cup. We LOVE IT! And the frigging manager, after turning around yesterday and saying he wouldn't make "10" changes, went and made NINE ******* changes and sent out a ridiculous side. Connor frigging Randall can't even get in our U-23 side on a regular basis. Where was Matip? We (rightly) make a big song and dance over the Cameroon/ FIFA bollocks, and then rest him after ONE frigging game! Yet again we have a midfield three I'd fancy my chances moving faster than. Outside of Firmino and Wijnaldum, who were both **** poor when they should of been senior leaders, you've not one player who'd be a first team regular if everyone's fit. If you're gonna' play the likes of Woodburn, Ejaria and Gomez, augment that with quality experience! Klopp got this one badly, BADLY wrong. And fair play to him, he's held his hand up, said it was utter *****, and accepted 100% responsibility for it. But it doesn't alter the fact Liverpool as a club devalued the best knockout cup competition in the World today. When there was absolutely NO need.

For all the talk of a lack of a winger. We have a replacement for Sadio. Just he's been injured until just before Chrimbo and is nowhere near fit. Sheyi Ojo. Someone by me mentioned Redmond today. Where would he of played this year? Mané, Firmino and Coutinho were undroppable every game until this slump. He wouldn't of gotten anywhere near the minutes he has for Southampton.

Utterly ****** off with a lot of things right now. I love Klopp to death but he can go do one this weekend after that side. The senior players who were out there can do the same. Not the youngsters. Gomez was shockingly bad but but it shouldn't be on the shoulders of a Gomez or a Woodburn. And Craig ******* Pawson can disappear off the face of the ******* Earth. Absolute disgrace that fella'.

We should of gone more or less the same side that played Wednesday for me to get some momentum for Tuesday. Now, everyone at the football club is completely down and I don't know how that confidence rises for that crucial game.

We're either waking up Wednesday morning right back in a title race. Or we're waking up with season that promised the Earth reduced to a top 4 place and nothing else.

I just hope I can go to sleep on Tuesday night to be able to face the only acceptable one of those options.

Oh, as a sidenote, why is it every set of complete bellends from absolute, deprived shitholes, sing loudest about 'Signing on' and 'L'pool slums?' Like Wolverhampton is all in gainful employment and living in palatial surroundings. Frigging think will yer dickheads before yers open yer ignorant grids!

Congratulations Wolves. Absolute abysmal bag of ***** L'pool.

I haven't seen enough of Liverpool to compare pal so I'll have to take your word, I only saw you vs Boro away I think it was and you looked unstoppable in that one was a really good performance from yourselves. He will turn it round once you get players back etc.

As an aside had an interesting debate with a pool fan on twitter who was adament the League cup was a better competition than the FA cup just couldnt get my head around that one at all. Wonder what my fwllow forumites thought?
 
..... As an aside had an interesting debate with a pool fan on twitter who was adament the League cup was a better competition than the FA cup just couldnt get my head around that one at all. Wonder what my fwllow forumites thought?

Maybe you have to be English and of a certain age to of been brought up outside the Sky generation era mate but the FA Cup is still the single best thing you can play in. And I love the League Cup probably more than I should down to personal reasons but nothing matches the FA Cup. Oh for the days when there was hardly any live footie on TV and the Cup Final stopped the entire Nation. Who ever was playing. Getting up dead early and watching TV coverage right through in your pyjamas as the teams had breakie, played games, then the cameras on the coach to the stadium, the marching band, the whole nine yards. Just a magical day that can't be beaten.

Hypothetical. Tell me on Friday that L'pool won't win the league this year. But I have two options for the rest of the season.

L'pool finish top 4, but crash out the Cup today.

L'pool finish outside the top 4, but win the FA Cup.

I'm taking a day out at Wembley and silverware ANY day of the week. It's what being a fan is ALL about.

And there's NO better silverware to win in a one off occasion than the FA Cup to an Englishman of a certain generation.
 
RE United.

I really wish people would actually get this right. They were told to pull out because it would help Englands 2006 bid. They only finally agreed, because of Bobby Charlton who was part of the England bid, gave the club assurances. Which then promptly disappeared.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football-united-prepare-to-pull-out-of-fa-cup-1103211.html

Think it's time people refreshed their memory

Find someone else to blame and use as an excuse. Clubs were rotating in the cup before 2000.
 
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Only a view shared by Utd fans.

To everyone else, you ____ all over the FA Cup running with the pressure to participate in the Club World Cup to help the bid line. It wouldn't of been as bad if you'd sent out a scratch side. But to completely pull out ..... Utd set the precedent that a lot of clubs used as cart blanche to start completely devaluing the competition with.

We'll leave it there but you still won't get much sympathy outside of Utd circles for how that played out.
 
Obvioudly didnt read the article then, great.

How you feel, and what actually happened are different things.

The Government, fully behind England's World Cup bid - ironically headed by the United director Sir Bobby Charlton - made its position clear through the Minister for Sport, Tony Banks. "It is my estimation that a failure by Manchester United to go to the new competition in Brazil - particularly if they were replaced by Bayern Munich - would do irreparable damage to our 2006 campaign," he told BBC Radio Five. And David Davies, the FA's interim executive director, said: "It would send the worst possible signal to world football at a time when we are in the midst of the 2006 bid to turn our backs on this tournament."

Direct quotes from the government and FA.


And people have the nerve to complain when United put club players before country ever since
 
Could of still entered a side in the Cup and gone out to Brazil. Instead you didn't and hid behind the above. Utd made that decision to not do that. That's on UTD! Nobody else.

Again, you'll find little to no sympathy from anyone outside Utd circles on this. Just as I'd expect to have little from around the Country for L'pool of they'd taken the same decision.

But it's past. And I'm currently more concerned with how L'pool devalued things today.
 
And this idea that other clubs are doing it because of us is bollocks. Clubs did it before then, and do it now, for their own reasons.

The only person responsible for Liverpool playing weakened sides is Klopp. Own it, don't incorrectly talk about something from 1999.

If you were really more concerned about Liverpool devaluing it, you'd have never brought it up in the first place. As i said, it's on Klopp. Own it.
 
NOW who's not reading? I've slammed Klopp for today's team a page or so back. And the club for adding in devaluing the Cup today. Heavily.

Clubs where beginning to go light in the Cup prior to the first World club bollocks. But nothing like the extent that followed when you set that precedent it made it ten fold worse from that point. Argue the contrary all you like. Believe you had no choice all you like.

But you're not going to get much of any sympathy from anyone else. You chose to not enter a team and that isn't ever changing.

*Edit* But I honestly can't be arsed arguing the toss on this further. I'm more than ****** enough with my own club right now.
 
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Let's be honest here. Klopp has never been concerned with anything United do, or other clubs.

So what would a decision made in 1999 have to do with the side he put out?

I don't care one jot for your sympathy, it's accuracy I'm after.

Just amused you've tried to tie today to 1999, incredible stretch.
 
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It's an even more surprising stretch that you'd think that I suggested today had anything to with what you did in 2000?

Either something got lost in translation or you're reading that with an agenda. I said it started with that precedent and became 'if Utd can pull out then ..... ' and it's got worse over the years particularly with foreign managers/ players in devaluing the FA Cup.

You've chosen to take personal umbrage against that from a Utd standpoint which is your prerogative.

But I wasn't blaming you in the slightest for the L'pool team today. I don't see how you made the connection but I apologise if what I wrote wasn't clear.
 
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I guess Mane saw how **** we are because he's just missed a pen and Senegal are out of the AFCON. Now get him back to Melwood before tuesday.
 
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'YES! Sadio got the message finally!

Just missed the decisive penalty as Cameroon defeat Senegal 5-4 in the shoot-out.

Got on that jet home for Tuesday lid!
 
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How about Klopp stays and all the gobshites **** off???​


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well i hope none of you are doing the dry jan thing cos the last few game i would think would put pay to that and no this is not me having a go
 
Its been a double bad day for me as Brighton also got knock out by a team lower in a lower division >.<
 
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