Indeed, as ever, money makes the world go round. That's the issue in the league, ever increasing money, means smaller teams are the ones who don't take it on. It's actually the larger clubs that while rotating, field strong teams.
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So the Utd line always has been.
The FA line was never quite like. (Utd not entering a team which was their decision down to the refusal to move the round forward. The pressure to go do Brazil was never an issue.).
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In every other country the repective FA's actually try to help their clubs in European competition with regards to fixtures and kick off times around them games, to give them the best chance possible. Our FA doesnt give a ****. Like Jose said about the City game, he's sure the FA will give us both a nice day to play the game. Its a joke. Scrap replay's for a start. People say about taking another game away from the lower sides but how lower many sides are winning at home first leg only for the premiership team to score a late equaliser then destroy them at home in the replay? Im sure the lower teams would prefer to play extra time at home while they are on top of the game and have a chance of going through. The amount of top sides that scrape through the first game is unbelievable. Then you also cut out teams playing weak sides because they know they dont have the luxury of scraping a draw then battering them in a replay.
The FA needs a complete revamp. Too many dinosaurs making decisions that are only interested in money.
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The mentioned article alters nothing on your decision to jib the cup. Or collude with the FA to completely undermine the completion that rolled over for a long time after with a lot of clubs if that sounds better.
But this is a fruitless debate because you're never going to concede that you could of entered of entered even a scratch side so it's endless back and forth.
But this is a fruitless debate because you're never going to concede that you could of entered of entered even a scratch side so it's endless back and forth.
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So if the FA was that arsed about us pulling out why not move our game back a week? Teams would have been playing replays at that time anyway so whats the problem? We was actually told we could enter a team only for them to take that away and made it look like we had ****** the cup off. We was defending champions and had been consistently in or around the final most years. The FA wanted us to take part in the CWC and of course so did we. We was Champions of Europe and had an opportunity to be world champions. The FA wanted world champions from the Premier League. Why not let us play the game when we return or let us still enter a team? We had a big enough squad to still field a good enough team to beat most teams. The decision fell with the FA not us.
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We wanted to enter a side. The FA said no. Not sure why you keep ignoring that. The wouldnt let us, so we asked for the game to be put back and they said no. What could we do? **** the CWC off? Why should we? Its not every day you can enter that competition. We worked for that right to be there and to have the opportunity to be World Champions. The FA should have backed us and helped us out but they was only interested in helping themselves.
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Why not play it on the scheduled third round weekend in the calendar if the squad was 'big enough' to cover that and the bulk being in Brazil? Why did it need to be moved?
It was a terrible decision taken and nothing is going to alter that. The FA were a complete disgrace in completely undermining their own frigging marquee competition and Utd followed suit whatever the rhetoric now is.
But that was 17 years back. You have a game this avvi in this years tournament to concern yourself's with. This needs leaving.
It was a terrible decision taken and nothing is going to alter that. The FA were a complete disgrace in completely undermining their own frigging marquee competition and Utd followed suit whatever the rhetoric now is.
But that was 17 years back. You have a game this avvi in this years tournament to concern yourself's with. This needs leaving.
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What a frigging mistake that was in briefly mentioning that precedent as regards the way the Cup got treated by foreign managers/ players thereafter when I was lambasting my own club and manager for their attitude toward the FA Cup yesterday that really narked me off.
If I'd of thought that first sentence out of that paragraph would be the one that would of been picked out and debated I'd of saved us all the trouble.
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FFS are you still ******? About 4 times now ive said we wanted to still enter a side. THE FA SAID NO. We asked for the game to be moved AFTER they said no to us fielding a weaker team. The only people to blame are the FA. They practically begged us to go to the CWC, but then wouldnt let us field a team or move the game. But guess what? Look at all the publicity the league got when newspapers are making headlines about us pulling out and disrespecting the cup. Job done from the FA. Worldwide publicity and promoting us being in the CWC. Win/Win for the FA.
Dont let that get in the way of a good cry though coz YOU fielded a weakened team and got your **** slapped. One win in 2017. A scruffy 1-0 win in a REPLAY against Plymouth. And why did you need a replay? Fielded a weakened team AGAIN. Twice in the space of a few weeks and got your ase slapped. But we're the ones disrespecting the cup? OK
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So your point is, because the FA made us pull out, every foreign manager since then has disrespected the cup by fielding weaker teams? Do we control other teams selections? Was Klopp's choice to field weaker sides in the FA Cup 3 times this year a direct consequence of us pulling out in 99? Talk about clutching at straws. First the wind and now our non-participation in a cup 17 years ago. Dont worry though, next year is your year.
scouse i get the point about what klopp did and what we did which was a total **** up and no 1 looks like thay give a **** about the fa cup any more i rember when i was young the fa cup sat was awsome would all ways have a bbq b4 the game no matter who was playing the sit down for the game at 3 whats this half 5 bollocks but money has moved it on to the **** show we now get plus the fa could give 2 ***** either way you are just going to go round and round with this so be the bigger man and just leave it i know your right and so do you
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I don't understand why Sheyi Ojo is currently playing for the 23's and wasn't even on the bench yesterday? Let alone that there's a strong case to say the only genuine, pacey winger not called Mané in the squad should of started.
Granted I'm not privy to what he may or may not of showed in training. But I don't understand the decision on that one. Shrugs.
Granted I'm not privy to what he may or may not of showed in training. But I don't understand the decision on that one. Shrugs.
Spot on.
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Cute kid. Bless him.
To be fair, what we know for sure on transfers is he badly wanted Dahoud the summer but after letting Xhaka go to Arsenal, Monchengladbach wouldn't sell for fear of being too light. And this January, we met the fee for Draxler, but couldn't match PSG on salary (not sure why as I don't see how he'd fit into our side at all but I'm not Klopp), and returned for both Brandt and Pulisic but neither BVB nor Leverkusen were prepared to sell at any price until the summer with no chance to replace for the rest of this season. So it's not like he's not been trying to strengthen in the areas. (And that's just the guys we defo know about.).
I don't think anyone expects either Lucas or Kev Stewart to be here after this year. And if Can doesn't play ball over his deal, he'll have to be moved on this summer too. We're light Marko Grujić and the still not fully match fit Sheyi Ojo through injury. I have little doubt both would of gotten good game time the past few months funk had they been fit enough. So you've what, Mané and Ojo as genuine quality wide threats. Henderson and what should be Can for me whilst he's here over Lucas who can no longer play the position in our definition of the 6/ DMP role. With anyone from Lallana/ Wijnaldum/ Can/ Phil ahead/ more advanced along with the young Ejaria and Woodburn who both impress the heck out of me and I see as having big roles to play in the squad for a good few years to come.
We add to that with 2 or 3 top quality players, and some of those starting then become real good quality depth, we're doing sound the summer.
But as regards the here and now, we still have a glorious chance to end the title wait. It's gutting to be out of both cups after this horrendous past week, but now that's past, it's time to focus on the task at hand. Outside of any unforeseen injury's, we're as good a first XI as anyone for the last 16 games of this season now everyones healthy again as we showed when everyone was fit up until the late autumn. 16 games with no cup distractions. Where we can focus everything on the main goal. With Klopp finally having full, uninterrupted weeks on the training park to prepare for the upcoming game. And with the major bonus of a 16 day break, which will be like a mini mid-winter break for ourselves, coming up after the next three games down to missing an FA Cup weekend. Oh yeah, and everyone else having Europe starting up again save for Chelsea who are still going for the Cup. And L'pool having everyone to come to us and the most favourable run-in of anyone with a balance of home games in our favour.
If we beat them Tuesday, I firmly believe the league title is still on.
But we HAVE to beat them. NO EXCEPTIONS!
Players AND fans have to be up for these 16 games and have to give EVERYTHING we have with NOTHING left on the pitch or in the stands.
16 games. 16 Cup Finals to know you've left nothing to try end the drought. That's not too much to ask is it?
Up the Down but FAR from Out Reds!
To be fair, what we know for sure on transfers is he badly wanted Dahoud the summer but after letting Xhaka go to Arsenal, Monchengladbach wouldn't sell for fear of being too light. And this January, we met the fee for Draxler, but couldn't match PSG on salary (not sure why as I don't see how he'd fit into our side at all but I'm not Klopp), and returned for both Brandt and Pulisic but neither BVB nor Leverkusen were prepared to sell at any price until the summer with no chance to replace for the rest of this season. So it's not like he's not been trying to strengthen in the areas. (And that's just the guys we defo know about.).
I don't think anyone expects either Lucas or Kev Stewart to be here after this year. And if Can doesn't play ball over his deal, he'll have to be moved on this summer too. We're light Marko Grujić and the still not fully match fit Sheyi Ojo through injury. I have little doubt both would of gotten good game time the past few months funk had they been fit enough. So you've what, Mané and Ojo as genuine quality wide threats. Henderson and what should be Can for me whilst he's here over Lucas who can no longer play the position in our definition of the 6/ DMP role. With anyone from Lallana/ Wijnaldum/ Can/ Phil ahead/ more advanced along with the young Ejaria and Woodburn who both impress the heck out of me and I see as having big roles to play in the squad for a good few years to come.
We add to that with 2 or 3 top quality players, and some of those starting then become real good quality depth, we're doing sound the summer.
But as regards the here and now, we still have a glorious chance to end the title wait. It's gutting to be out of both cups after this horrendous past week, but now that's past, it's time to focus on the task at hand. Outside of any unforeseen injury's, we're as good a first XI as anyone for the last 16 games of this season now everyones healthy again as we showed when everyone was fit up until the late autumn. 16 games with no cup distractions. Where we can focus everything on the main goal. With Klopp finally having full, uninterrupted weeks on the training park to prepare for the upcoming game. And with the major bonus of a 16 day break, which will be like a mini mid-winter break for ourselves, coming up after the next three games down to missing an FA Cup weekend. Oh yeah, and everyone else having Europe starting up again save for Chelsea who are still going for the Cup. And L'pool having everyone to come to us and the most favourable run-in of anyone with a balance of home games in our favour.
If we beat them Tuesday, I firmly believe the league title is still on.
But we HAVE to beat them. NO EXCEPTIONS!
Players AND fans have to be up for these 16 games and have to give EVERYTHING we have with NOTHING left on the pitch or in the stands.
16 games. 16 Cup Finals to know you've left nothing to try end the drought. That's not too much to ask is it?
Up the Down but FAR from Out Reds!
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Finally an award justifiably given nobody could quibble with.
Now move him back the middle where he belongs the next 16 Cup Finals Jürgen and let's have a serious go at this!
Now move him back the middle where he belongs the next 16 Cup Finals Jürgen and let's have a serious go at this!
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Just had someone telling me that top four would be a massive leap forward from 8th last year in his first full season and something to really build on going forward.
I HATE that 'building for next year' ****. No question going from no European football to back in the main competition would be a major step forward. As bitterly disappointing a taste as it would leave when it could of been so much more. But football doesn't work in isolated planned blocks. Football always has and always will be about the here and now and if you have a chance of something you go ALL out for it. You don't 'wait to build on it stronger next year.' Next year might never come!
16 Cup Finals. Leave NOTHING at the game and we'll see where this winds up!
I HATE that 'building for next year' ****. No question going from no European football to back in the main competition would be a major step forward. As bitterly disappointing a taste as it would leave when it could of been so much more. But football doesn't work in isolated planned blocks. Football always has and always will be about the here and now and if you have a chance of something you go ALL out for it. You don't 'wait to build on it stronger next year.' Next year might never come!
16 Cup Finals. Leave NOTHING at the game and we'll see where this winds up!
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