The Liverpool Thread

[Scouseinthehouse]

I dont think anyone will disagree with the ban, but have to ask: why now, and why did it take so long?

It's always been a funny situation with the club and that rag. Easy to see where lines get blurred.

Way back 28 years ago things were completely different with the press and football clubs. The scums Merseyside correspondent, Mike Ellis, a real solid, loved and respected old school journalist had a lot of friends within L'pool to the point that when he was on the verge of resigning, so disgusted and upset at what that absolute despicable sh*tbag McKenzie had run; Peter Robinson by all accounts persuaded him to stay on. The relationship with Ellis was really valued. As it was with all the local guys the club could trust to not let anything come out that didn't need to. (One incident that springs personally to mind was being on the same flight as the players and press to Vladikavkaz back the mid-90's <which was a trip and a half by itself to a Chechen war zone- Being escorted in by Russian MIGS and having a bevy watching missiles flying through the sky in the distance is quite the experience but I digress ..... >, when a young Fowler cut up Ruddock's shoes the plane home which lead to mid air bedlam when Ruddock woke up and come steaming down the aisle looking for revenge. Nobody ever revealed why Fowler got off that plane with a black eye and bust lip. Ellis was one of the press lads on that flight. Today. it'd be all over social media in an instance. And from so called journalists let alone fans.). So, rightly or wrongly, the club didn't want to lose a trusted confident and correspondent down to his low life POS editor.

That I got. It was a wholly different landscape three decades back and those trusted relationships were highly cherished. Even if I never fully agreed. But Mike Ellis retired in 2003 and it's always grated that nobody from L'pool has stood up and fully banned the rag until the pressure from what's currently going on within the City which is spreading Country wide.

And even then the lines get blurry ..... L'pool players have it in their contracts they can't give exclusive interviews to the paper. The club sends out it's own copy to press organisations specifically saying it can't go to the S*n. (They always have to run things second hand from the copy of other papers rather than officially from the club.). Yet they've never taken the step to ban the S*n's Merseyside correspondent from press conferences at either Melwood or Anfield until now.

From the clubs POV, I guess it's been on a season by season basis with decisions made by a host of different individuals relevant at the time as to what would or wouldn't effect the football club. Currently within the City you have two massive pressure groups, 'Shun the S*n' and 'Total Eclipse of the S*n' working to completely eradicate the paper not only from every shop shelf in Merseyside but Country wide. It's on every taxi. Shops have posters up saying the refuse to sell it. Even the big supermarkets have removed it from their shelves. And the Council has backed them. And it's the 'Total Eclipse of the S*n' guys who have brought this around seemingly by getting in touch with the club who've finally listened and joined in with the rest of the big organisations within the City.

I'm happy of course with todays LONG overdue decision. And fair play to FSG for being the ones to finally standup. But I've never understood why a complete ban from the football club on that rag has taken SO long to come about. And that goes for both clubs. You won't find many Evertonian's who haven't wanted Everton to do the exact same thing over the years and stand side by side in solidarity. One of their main supporters groups has asked for that very thing from Everton today.

So that's how lines have easily gotten blurred on this if it helps.

If it was upto me I'd of had a blanket ban nigh on 28 years ago when we woke up to be told we'd killed our own and the heinous lies so many (sadly still) believed started. But I can appreciate how it's never been as easy as that from the football clubs POV. Particularly in the aftermath and the completely different football/ press landscape to what it is today.

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

dont worry about arsenal thay are dog **** at the mo and i dont think thay will get top 4

It's the what they do and what International Law decrees mate.

Arsenal must win their cherished 'Top 4 Cup' every season or the World will end.

It just is what it is.

 

[kitchin75]

where the **** does the scum get the brassballs to say baning them is a sad day for football fans do me a favor its 28years in the making you reap what you sow good on liverpool i say

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

No lallana or lovern tomorrow looking like the same team as last week which means can and wingi in the middle which everyone knows doesnt work

I know he's not been great this season but I would love to see Sturridge get a run of 5 starts to see whether he can pick some form up, coming on for 20 minutes isnt really going to get him going. Obviously the second question is can he manage 5 starts without his weetabix legs caving in.

Such a shame to see him where he is now because he can be truly unbelievable when in form.

I'd personally go with a front thee of Mané, Daniel and Firmino with Phil dropped back to give Tottenham something to think about (even if Lallana makes it. The three of Coutinho, Lallana and Henderson playing together I like to play around and counter the strength of Spurs midfield) and force them to drop Ali back in to help the aforementioned most powerful central midfield there is the entire league for me in Dembélé and Wanyama. You can't take that on as a two. And certainly not a two of frigging Can and Wijnaldum as Db said. They'd just get overpowered.

Lot of interesting questions to be answered tomorrow. He was very non-comital and quite humorous in dealing with them today, particularly the G/K question. But he did allude to their being a shakeup earlier in the week. Whether that was just to literally shake the players up this week or he'll actually make changes remains to be seen. Personally I'd defo play Trent as Clynes still not fully fit and maybe even play Moreno and rest Milner. Walker's a continued weak link to get behind that side and with no Rose the other, they'll be more emphasis on him from Tottenham attacking you'd imagine.

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

where the **** does the scum get the brassballs to say baning them is a sad day for football fans do me a favor its 28years in the making you reap what you sow good on liverpool i say

Still a complete bottom dwelling gutter rag to this day with the depths they continually sink to and the **** they pull to ruin peoples lives. Irrespective of any B/S about (way too late) apologies or a different staff there now. The ethos will NEVER change. They still employ Kelvin f-ing McKenzie for crying out loud!

As et alluded to over the page, it'd be nice for every football club to do the same and play a part in maybe finishing them off for good.

 

[kitchin75]

well it was like when colin murry left talk sport cos thay were taken over by the same firm that owns the sun that took some ball but thats how much hate there is for that lot

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

And just to end the week .....

Listened to a ******* today trying to compare Klopp to Rodgers as they have almost identical 50 league game records.

Aside from the fact that's actually not a bad comparison given Rodgers had a great record his fist 50 PL games, without context (Brendan coming in the summer, spending, having the pre-season, along with inheriting a spine of Reina, Agger, Carragher, Gerrard, Suarez et all compared to the October arrival, no pre-season, no signings Klopp with nothing like that spine) there is absolutely NO comparison to make.

People just listen to the B/S the likes of Sky feed them and how they frame things and don't think for themselves.

 

[Mike.]

The comparison misses context, as Rodgers had Sterling, Suarez and Sturridge in the form of their lives for a lot of it. But ultimately, the points will matter, as does the progression. Now if the issue is signings, that does lie at the feet of Klopp/board.

That said, I sure as **** know which of the two i would have as manager.

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

Honestly not got a clue what to expect this teatime. L'pool could go out and do 'Spurs 3. 'Spurs could go out and do L'pool 3. And all points in between. The two hardest working, and probably most attractive sides in the league that are real evenly matched. Except one's in a horrendous run of form and the other is in the opposite taking over the formers mantle this season as Chelsea's main challengers the table right now. And with a vibrant, good manager, solid young squad and a new stadium taking shape galvanising everyone, are a new big player in our way to where we so crave to be. Game has the feel of a massively pivotal one for both sides the run-in.

Just win. Don't care how it's achieved. Going 7 behind Tottenham would NOT be too clever at this stage to say the least. But moving back to within a point of 2nd would set things up real nice going into a 16 day break to fully recharge before Leicester. This team is more than capable of running out the last 14 unbeaten with a big winning run. Conversely, it's also more than capable, right here, right now, of continuing this dire 2017 with another forgettable performance/ result.

Just WIN Red Men.

Mighty Reds. Up the 'Pool.

 

[Dannybell2011]

I'd personally go with a front thee of Mané, Daniel and Firmino with Phil dropped back to give Tottenham something to think about (even if Lallana makes it. The three of Coutinho, Lallana and Henderson playing together I like to play around and counter the strength of Spurs midfield) and force them to drop Ali back in to help the aforementioned most powerful central midfield there is the entire league for me in Dembélé and Wanyama. You can't take that on as a two. And certainly not a two of frigging Can and Wijnaldum as Db said. They'd just get overpowered.

Lot of interesting questions to be answered tomorrow. He was very non-comital and quite humorous in dealing with them today, particularly the G/K question. But he did allude to their being a shakeup earlier in the week. Whether that was just to literally shake the players up this week or he'll actually make changes remains to be seen. Personally I'd defo play Trent as Clynes still not fully fit and maybe even play Moreno and rest Milner. Walker's a continued weak link to get behind that side and with no Rose the other, they'll be more emphasis on him from Tottenham attacking you'd imagine.

Ive been wanting coutinho to play Cm for a long time because with him cutting inside there no real width. plus i think when he played there in the diamond he played well and with him playing in the middle it gives him the chance to see more of the game to play them threw balls which he often trys

 

[Theatre of dreams]

Pool playing well and deserve lead. Spurs being Spurs at Anfield. Shocking! Knew Vertonghen would be a disaster miss for Spurs!

 

[spook]

Pace.

 

[iamauser]

Thats the Klopp Football we know and love!

 

[spook]

And missed.

 

[morimech]

Mane is certainly feeling frisky today.

 

[dilakh2]

The ref has just been abysmal for both sides. Giving yellow cards left right and centre and blowing the whistle for every 50/50 challenge.

 

[kitchin75]

love to know what has got into refs this season allmost every game in prem and lower have been really bad

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

Pool playing well and deserve lead. Spurs being Spurs at Anfield. Shocking! Knew Vertonghen would be a disaster miss for Spurs!

Uh uh. 'Spurs weren't being 'Spurs lid. For the first time in 2017, L'pool were f-ing Liverpool! Mané against boys! (Sorry, couldn't resist!).

Where the F have you been hiding this year L'pool? Absolutely awesome performance. Like the 'Spurs lads we've just been debating **** with said, it's been a frigging LONG time since they've had such a comprehensive doing off anyone. First half in particular L'pool were breathtaking. Could and should of gone in 4 or 5 up and it wouldn't of flattered them. Sadio showing just what a threat he is all over the park will grab the headlines like with a top drawer brace. But Gini Wijnaldum was the clear MOTM for me in a team full of MOTM performances from back to front. Won every battle. Always in the face of Dumbélé and Wanyama. (Who after bigging them up before the game as the strongest two midfield pair the PL didn't know what hit them with our three today. Like they literally looked shellshocked they had no time to do anything); then giving it and going keeping L'pool constantly moving. And a special shout out to Lucas Leiva. Who made me look like a **** as I was honestly ******** it the pub before hand when the team came through with what Kane would do to him. Harry Kane never got a kick and was exceptionally lucky to stay on the park with that shithouse challenge on Clyne the touchline second half. ******* ANTHONY TAYLOR! AGAIN! Lucas was brilliant.

Everything we've been saying all month about the bollocks notion the press that we 'need a plan B/ teams have figured us out' et all. It's L'pools STYLE that had changed. Nottin' more, Nottin' less. Much to the managers consternation and purely down to confidence. Today, L'pool refound that with a vengeance in a perfect storm of Klopp Heavy Metal footie to destroy a stunned Tottenham first half. Then a real tactically savvy second half to completely control and see the game out with absolutely no threat to that lead.

When these Reds play to these Reds strengths, with a fully fit XI, there's not a team in the Country that can live with them as they proved right through the summer/ autumn. When they play to that intensity, with that interchange of movement, getting that many bodies forward, they'll rip anyone. However deep they want to sit in. The key thing of course now is making sure the same happens against Leicester. And then against Arsenal. And the game after that. And the game after that. Believe in yourselves and what we do again boys. Make this the turning point where the L'pool we all know and love, Jürgen Klopp's L'pool, returned with a vengeance.

Do that, and you'll **** second at the very least. Fall back to the asinine ***** of a week ago at Hull, today means little and we're back to square one. Confidence should be well returned after that master class going into a nice 16 day break to refresh and fully prepare for Leicester next time out.

As for the absolute **** in the middle ..... It's not that we disgracefully yet again got South Manchester's (not so) finest. Which is an absolute continued disgrace in itself. Forget all that. It's the fact the lads just a shockingly bad referee. Like SHOCKINGLY bad. Even in a season of historically bad officiating, he stands out above all others and then some. Just HOW Tottenham finished with all XI men on the field is a complete mystery. From about the mid point the second half when they accepted they had no way back, they just turned into the snidey 'Spurs that they always seem to have locked away. But he just let it go. Along with at least two blatant handballs. The fella's a serious risk to players health never mind anything else. And he's the 'future.' God help us all.

The only downside to FINALLY a brilliant weekend in 2017 is I'm getting WAY too old for this **** haha. 9 hours on it and I'm done in to the point I had to come home. But what a gang of Reds to feel like ***** tomorrow over! A rocking Anfield, under the lights, with Jürgens Juggernaut revving back up to full power once more. Doesn't get any better than that as days out go!

13 more of the same please Red Men.

Up the Return of Jürgen's Heavy Metal Reds! It's been TOO long!

 

[kitchin75]

so what your saying scouse is your geting to old for this **** well done for today had talk sport on i know dont hate as i dont have sky or bt and my internet is **** sound like you played well just like the first half of the season and welcome back sadio ******* mane well done

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

so what your saying scouse is your geting to old for this **** well done for today had talk sport on i know dont hate as i dont have sky or bt and my internet is **** sound like you played well just like the first half of the season and welcome back sadio ******* mane well done

Ta mate. I am. But yer know. Keep on doing it for some mad reason. Someday we might all grow up lol.

As an aside, the boycott was only EVER about the S*n. Don't get me wrong, I don't particularly like TalkSport because it's a ***** radio station the majority of the time. But Murdoch being involved is nothing compared to that utter low life POS Kelvin 'I still claim I did nothing wrong' McKenzie. (And they have the nerve to claim they're now different and it was a previous staff whilst they STILL employ that rat.).

Seen quite a bit overnight from opposition fans throwing things out like 'So L'pool will be giving the Sky money back and banning them too?' in reference to Murdoch when the boycott NEVER has been about him. It's SOLEY been about the scum and how McKenzie not only tarnished the name of L'pool FC and it's support, but tarnished the name of the City of L'pool with their overt, disgraceful lies that made a second tragedy to deal with the past 28 years on top of the worst day anyone should never have to experience.