The Liverpool Thread

[Scouseinthehouse]

You read it in his accent... Didn't you

*Nods.

Good work Sir.

 

[Theatre of dreams]

Just reading about that wage cap for youngsters. 40k a year is surely handicapping yourselves? When other clubs in the league will pay more for talent abroad per year and try persuading them to leave by offering your top talents a lot more.

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

Just reading about that wage cap for youngsters. 40k a year is surely handicapping yourselves? When other clubs in the league will pay more for talent abroad per year and try persuading them to leave by offering your top talents a lot more.

If they don't want to be here for the right reason's then I'd rather they did go.

They have a manager that will give them every opportunity to be a part of what he's building. He wants hungry players that want to be a part of this and they'll get rewarded as they go. If money is all that drives them they are welcome to look for it elsewhere.

The same goes for the senior players too.

I read a great thing on him talking today on his first gig as a youth coach at 20 with Frankfurt. And the Sporting Director coming up to him the summer, when they'd moved up a year, asking him what new players he wanted and being totally taken aback when he refused saying he'd rather continue working with the boys he'd had the previous year. This guys different and believes in coaching and developing over just spending money because you can. And he wants that same desire and hunger in those he's teaching and improving.

 

[Anthony]

Just reading about that wage cap for youngsters. 40k a year is surely handicapping yourselves? When other clubs in the league will pay more for talent abroad per year and try persuading them to leave by offering your top talents a lot more.

I like it.
How many Depay's do you want in the premier league?

 

[zzeezzy]

So you feel humiliated that your in the Europa again this year? I have a feeling that you must get used to it....
United havnt really impressed me much this year at all and I just dont see Jose sticking around for more than 2-3 years and looking for another challenge (Its synonymous with his career thus far, spend a few years here and there before moving on). I fear for United as they are in a similar position to us when King Kenny left in 1991. It would be a shame to see United fall away from the pack in the next few years as the special nature of our rivalry could be lost.

Any way back to the point. Im going for a 3-1 win for us.

Of course I do, being in the Europa League is a humiliation no matter how much we try to downplay it, clubs like Manchester United and Liverpool belong in the top tier of European football aka Champions League.

How long Mourinho is here doesn't really matter, it's more what he does whilst he is here. If he wins a few trophies he has laid solid ground for us to progress and build under a new manager. That's what I hope shall happen anyway.

 

[Anthony]

Of course I do, being in the Europa League is a humiliation no matter how much we try to downplay it, clubs like Manchester United and Liverpool belong in the top tier of European football aka Champions League.

Why?
Why do teams 'belong' somewhere?

England invented football.
Do they belong in every world cup final because the fans 'believe' they should.

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

Of course I do, being in the Europa League is a humiliation no matter how much we try to downplay it, clubs like Manchester United and Liverpool belong in the top tier of European football aka Champions League......

Then, with no disrespect intended to any other Utd supporter who feels the opposite, I sincerely hope Utd crash out the groups to save you further 'embarrassment' as that's all that outright arrogance, to be kind, deserves.

 

[zzeezzy]

Then, with no disrespect intended to any other Utd supporter who feels the opposite, I sincerely hope Utd crash out the groups to save you further 'embarrassment' as that's all that outright arrogance, to be kind, deserves.

It's not arrogance, it's more expectation and belief that your club should be competing at a higher level.

Only thing I care for about Europa League is that it is another route to get into Champions League. That is literally it.

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

Why?
Why do teams 'belong' somewhere?

England invented football.
Do they belong in every world cup final because the fans 'believe' they should.

Don't take this the wrong way, but Utd have won ONE more European Cup than frigging Nottingham Forest! And only 2 more total UEFA trophy's than the Nottinghamshire 'giants.' One of which is now defunct! NOTTINGHAM FOREST!

This f-ed up sense of entitlement that persists among fans today narks the living **** out of me.

You may be frustrated to be out of the Champions League. Everyone wants to be playing at Europe's top table. But to say it's a 'humiliation' to be in a major UEFA completion regardless.....

The clubs and the media have a **** of a lot to answer for in breading this arrogant attitude among fans in this era.

 

[Anthony]

It's not arrogance, it's more expectation and belief that your club should be competing at a higher level.

Why?
Why should it be more than it is?

This reminds me of the same headline we see in British press before every single international competition.
"England expects... But can it deliver?".

Expects what?
The foreigners play better than you... The best players in your league are most likely foreigners!!
Stop thinking you BELONG somewhere???? Watch the footie, enjoy the wins and suck up the losses.

 

[zzeezzy]

Why?
Why should it be more than it is?

This reminds me of the same headline we see in British press before every single international competition.
"England expects... But can it deliver?".

Expects what?
The foreigners play better than you... The best players in your league are most likely foreigners!!
Stop thinking you BELONG somewhere???? Watch the footie, enjoy the wins and suck up the losses.

You've lost me.

It would be so boring if I was just like... it doesn't matter what happens this season as I'm watching football. For me it's part of being a fan to believe and achieve.

 

[lewie100]

I'm kinda in the middle here.

Yes, I think fans should believe that they can get into the higher competitions (CL), but no team 'belongs' in the CL, you have to earn it via league position, like Leicester.

All I'm saying on this.

 

[zzeezzy]

I'm kinda in the middle here.

Yes, I think fans should believe that they can get into the higher competitions (CL), but no team 'belongs' in the CL, you have to earn it via league position, like Leicester.

All I'm saying on this.

It's a natural part of being a fan, believing to achieve, anyone who argues differently is just lying to themselves lets be honest.

Having expectation as well is part and parcel, for me the foreigners in our league make our game great from a viewing perspective and more exciting. But it doesn't mean I'm happy that it's at the sacrifice of English talent getting a look in and I don't expect something to happen eventually to combat this. The incompetence of the F.A and the money are the reasons it probably won't happen anytime soon.

 

[Anthony]

It's a natural part of being a fan, believing to achieve, anyone who argues differently is just lying to themselves lets be honest.

Having expectation as well is part and parcel, for me the foreigners in our league make our game great from a viewing perspective and more exciting. But it doesn't mean I'm happy that it's at the sacrifice of English talent getting a look in and I don't expect something to happen eventually to combat this. The incompetence of the F.A and the money are the reasons it probably won't happen anytime soon.

How old are you?
You are like a ****** off aul grandpa that didn't lead the life he felt he deserved.
It's sport... It's entertainment.|

Lighten up for **** sake.

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

It's a natural part of being a fan, believing to achieve, anyone who argues differently is just lying to themselves lets be honest.....

Wanting the best for your club is one thing.

Being an arrogant ____ and completely disrespecting a major European competition like it's somehow beneath your club because you're not happy being in it is a WHOLE other one.

Although I'm sure if Utd rolled all the way to Stockholm this year and won a first ever UEFA Cup/ Europa League you'd be the first to revel in the glory. Funny how that **** hapens huh?

'Humiliated' to be in Europe. God give me strength.

 

[zzeezzy]

Wanting the best for your club is one thing.

Being an arrogant ____ and completely disrespecting a major European completion like it's somehow beneath your club because you're not happy being in it is a WHOLE other one.

Although I'm sure if Utd rolled all the way to Stockholm this year and won a first ever UEFA Cup/ Europa League you'd be the first to revel in the glory. Funny how that **** havens huh?

How is it arrogant? You'll be hard pressed finding a United fan happy with being in Europa League or not having ambition to be in Champions League.

Europa League has long been a disrespected competition, it's only recently with the place in Champions League it has become relatively interesting towards the latter stages.

As I've already said, the only thing I'd revel in if we won it is that we got into the Champions League from it.

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

..... Europa League has long been a disrespected competition.....

It has. By absolutely disgraceful, arrogant English clubs, media, and in turn ******** 'fans' who buy into that disrespectful B/S on one of the two European majors.

The rest of Europe who appreciate it for what it is, a MAJOR European competition, not so much.

Again, 'humiliated' at the chance to be in in European competition and the chance to compete for silverware because it's not the completion you want to be in. That type of arrogance and ****** up sense of self entitlement is a prime example of why Utd and their fans came to be detested Country wide in the '90's/ '00's.

 

[kitchin75]

How is it arrogant? You'll be hard pressed finding a United fan happy with being in Europa League or not having ambition to be in Champions League.

Europa League has long been a disrespected competition, it's only recently with the place in Champions League it has become relatively interesting towards the latter stages.

As I've already said, the only thing I'd revel in if we won it is that we got into the Champions League from it.

sorry but what a load of bullshit pls its still something to win like the league cup face it the reason we are in it cos we were not that good last season to be in the cl this season it is what it is i hope we do well in it but you need to get your head out of your ***

 

[zzeezzy]

It has. By absolutely disgraceful, arrogant English clubs, media, and in turn ******** 'fans' who buy into that disrespectful B/S on one of the two European majors.

The rest of Europe who appreciate it for what it is, a MAJOR European competition, not so much.

Again, 'humiliated' at the chance to be in in European competition and compete for silverware because it's not the completion you want to be in. You're the prime example of why Utd fans came to be detested Country wide in the '90's/ '00's.

Come off it Scouse, get down off the high horse, I've seen endless Liverpool fans on twitter mock Europa League over the years. Lets not even pretend you like being in it and don't want to be in Champions League.

It's a pointless argument really, if you love Europa League then fair play, but majority of fans don't and they only see it as a hindrance to their league ambitions or as a route into Champions League.

 

[zzeezzy]

sorry but what a load of bullshit pls its still something to win like the league cup face it the reason we are in it cos we were not that good last season to be in the cl this season it is what it is i hope we do well in it but you need to get your head out of your ***

I never said we shouldn't be in it (this season at least), lets not blow everything out of proportion. This merely turned from my original post saying I believe United and Liverpool belong in European top flight and that's where I want them to be. Into a ****** debate about arrogance and whatever else.

This is like arguing our club is arrogant for trying to buy the best players and they shouldn't try to win or expect to be the best from doing that.