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All that said it would be different to see maybe an Andy Carroll type to play into as something different right here. right now to try get a win.

But we have nothing like that so it's not an option.
 
fair point mate just thought i would ask you just need to hammer some 1 and every thing should click on another point got woodburn on loan in my barnsley save and have to say the kid is ******* awsome got 22 in the league so took him for another season
 
kitchin75 said:
fair point mate just thought i would ask you just need to hammer some 1 and every thing should click on another point got woodburn on loan in my barnsley save and have to say the kid is ******* awsome got 22 in the league so took him for another season
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He's that good in the latest version of FM huh?

He's certainly got the potential to be a fantastic player in RL. If I was to stick my neck on the line, I'd say Trent Alexander-Arnold will definitely be a 200/300 game player for this club. And probably ultimately more advanced than the RB role he's currently covering. He's far too technically good to not be further forward ultimately. Woodburn is just a level over everyone with the intelligence and temperament to play anywhere. One thing I've still not been able to work out is if he has great pace yet or whether he's like a Peter Beardsley who doesn't need it and just does you on his ability and intelligence regardless. Even the 23's he's never really burnt any one but consistently glides past them. Just looks every part a natural footballer yer know? Like Michael Owen/ Steve McManaman/ Ryan Giggs special at this stage. But he's still just 17 so a long way to go in his development.

The work going on the academy is really reaping it's rewards right now at all levels. 4 15 year olds played the U-18's yesterday for example. By choice and not need. The future from that aspect is real bright.
 
he is just so good he was 17 when i took him and got 22 in the league he has just turned 18 at the start of his second season with us so god know how good he will get nice to see you have some nice youth coming out of your academy
 
kitchin75 said:
he is just so good he was 17 when i took him and got 22 in the league he has just turned 18 at the start of his second season with us so god know how good he will get nice to see you have some nice youth coming out of your academy
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Out of pure interest where do you play him?

He's tended to be mainly wide either side or up front but has been playing centrally lately to great effect given how quick thinking and comfortable he is on the ball to receive it in tight spaces and move forward off the front foot. Really not sure where they're ultimately looking at his career going as regards a main position right now as he's as effective wherever he plays.
 
i play him up top in a 5212 and hes been on fire last season not played him yet this season he picked up a knock in preseason so he has yet to play this season
 
its a tac i got from base its called beast give it a try its insane started useing it in my second season came 3rd lost in the playoffs but won the efl cup 2-1 v you lot wich was nice hate to see what what it could do with a team like pool cos i have not bad players but no 1 i would say that were very good beside woodburn
 
kitchin75 said:
its a tac i got from base its called beast give it a try its insane started useing it in my second season came 3rd lost in the playoffs but won the efl cup 2-1 v you lot wich was nice hate to see what what it could do with a team like pool cos i have not bad players but no 1 i would say that were very good beside woodburn
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Does that make you Barnsley's most successful ever manager? :P.
 
Mike. said:
Not really, there is nothing wrong with moving to a more possession based system, but you know you've run out of ideas when you're playing slow lob passes across the pitch without actually stretching the opposition. Since the turn of the year, possession in most of their games has increased, but so has the lateral lob passing. Get it on the deck, and zip it round in moving triangles
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I hate those cross field passes with a passion just now. When we did use them earlier in the season they were used with purpose, now it seems that players do it because it's what they think they should be doing in a possession heavy system. Most of them are played at the completely wrong time.

Out of curiosity what would you change without going to off script from what you'd expect from Klopp? I can only see 2 options, reverting to something closer to our other style or almost doubling down on our possession play, noticed a few times that there are situations where we should be a lot more patient considering we're playing possession football - trying to force some weird hybrid build slow/attack fast just doesn't work when most of our issues arise from teams being able to retreat back before we get to the attack fast phase.

Maybe a back 3 (with appropriate personnel) would allow us to implement our earlier system in a more balanced fashion, more sound defensively but probably worse off going forward. Depends to what degree that would play out, maybe too defensive or not good enough attacking but I'm not sure we could pull it off with the players we have. Clyne not good enough going forward and Mane probably wasted at WB. Lucas & Gomez only backup for CB. Would probably mean we could use Moreno and move Milner infield if so inclined. Would mean losing Lallana from the team, not sure if that's the way forward.

If no style change then maybe I'd for using a more direct, pacey team to maybe help force our current style.
Migs Clyne Matip Lovren Moreno Hendo Milner Lallana Mane Origi Coutinho would satiate our excessive crosses, lobs and cross field passes.
 
Henderson's quick diags the box are sound if bodies were in there to get on the end of them like Tuesday but from everyone else they're going nowhere. When he whips them in like he has been the last few games they don't need to be bang accurate. Just need the touch.

But we have a complete aversion to getting in the box right now.
 
ICYUNVME Rooney used to do it all the time, would get loads of plaudits from commentators. It was entirely useless in terms of effect.

Right now, you have players who have really good movement. I would double down on the possession, short patient pass and move. Liverpool are one of the fittest sides in the league. Pull them apart with the passing. Make them work really hard to win the ball back and stay in the game.
 
ICYUNVME said:
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Maybe a back 3 (with appropriate personnel) would allow us to implement our earlier system in a more balanced fashion, more sound defensively but probably worse off going forward. Depends to what degree that would play out, maybe too defensive or not good enough attacking but I'm not sure we could pull it off with the players we have. Clyne not good enough going forward and Mane probably wasted at WB. Lucas & Gomez only backup for CB. Would probably mean we could use Moreno and move Milner infield if so inclined. Would mean losing Lallana from the team, not sure if that's the way forward......
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Can't see him switching formation but that's an interesting thought. Ended up that way against Wolves with Moreno exclusively an attacking left WB second half. But that was in desperation after the beyond abysmal first period. Gomez looked all over but then he's rarely if ever played in a three hearing him after.

Something needs to happen because this rot is just rolling. February is the new January seemingly.
 
First time since September L'pool have dropped out the top 4 so I guess that adds some perspective to our current malaise.

Not that it makes anyone fell any better like.
 
Scouseinthehouse said:
First time since September L'pool have dropped out the top 4 so I guess that adds some perspective to our current malaise.

Not that it makes anyone fell any better like.
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Never mind, next year will be your year. Definitely. Lol.
 
MANUMAD said:
Never mind, next year will be your year. Definitely. Lol.
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*Our.

You lads are now back in our cycle of perpetual doom. 4 years and counting. Which fast becomes 5 becomes 10 ..... you know the drill. You've been there before.

Welcome back aboard.
 
Mike. said:
Not really, there is nothing wrong with moving to a more possession based system, but you know you've run out of ideas when you're playing slow lob passes across the pitch without actually stretching the opposition. Since the turn of the year, possession in most of their games has increased, but so has the lateral lob passing. Get it on the deck, and zip it round in moving triangles
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Scouseinthehouse said:
Henderson's quick diags the box are sound if bodies were in there to get on the end of them like Tuesday but from everyone else they're going nowhere. When he whips them in like he has been the last few games they don't need to be bang accurate. Just need the touch.

But we have a complete aversion to getting in the box right now.
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Mike. said:
ICYUNVME Rooney used to do it all the time, would get loads of plaudits from commentators. It was entirely useless in terms of effect.

Right now, you have players who have really good movement. I would double down on the possession, short patient pass and move. Liverpool are one of the fittest sides in the league. Pull them apart with the passing. Make them work really hard to win the ball back and stay in the game.
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I call it Wayne Rooney syndrome. Anybody can make cross field passes with no pressure on the ball. The point of passing is to increase positional superiority. Be careful of labelling players good passers as a result. How often do you see Mesut Ozil and Iniesta make Hollywood balls? Hardly ever. They make the right decisions.
 
damola3 said:
I call it Wayne Rooney syndrome. Anybody can make cross field passes with no pressure on the ball. The point of passing is to increase positional superiority. Be careful of labelling players good passers as a result. How often do you see Mesut Ozil and Iniesta make Hollywood balls? Hardly ever. They make the right decisions.
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TBF it's not often lately you see Ozil do much of anything effective during a game.

But we don't need to get into a mass debate on him again and his massively overrated behind. (Or not depending on your opinion of him.).
 
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