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Mike. said:
They were second top scorers in 2004-2005, joint top scorers in 2005-2006, even in his third season they were 2nd top scorers

Inter were joint top scorers in his first season, top scorers in his second

Madrid were top scorers in his first, top scorers in his second, second top scorers in his third.
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Its a strange phenomenon I notice all the time especially with LFC fans to excuse away another terrible title challenge. 'We did not win the league at least we were not boring like X team which did win'.

Same comments from people when Chelsea won the title last year. I do wonder if they even watched us play last season or just unloaded the same old stock comments to explain away a poor season.
 
How to have a free day from Evertonians talking wham-

Give Munich a serious licking for the first time ever in their own tournament.

Then voilà. Nobody wants to discuss the footie. XD.
 
Hmmmmm. Danny Ward. This is obviously the 'battle for back-up 'keeper' tourney then. Very surprised to not see Robertson start either day. Conversely very happy to see the surprise return of Milner and Gomez.

Be boss if Nando starts for Atlético like but two games in two days .....

Go ed' Redmen. Second trophy of the summer at stake. As we're here it'd be impolite not to take it!



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#LFC starting XI v #Atleti: Ward, Flanagan, Gomez, Klavan, Milner, Can, Wijnaldum, Lallana, Woodburn, Mane, Solanke



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#LFC subs: Karius, Mignolet, Robertson, Matip, Alexander-Arnold, Ejaria, Henderson, Grujic, Kent, Firmino, Origi
6:11 pm · 2 Aug 2017

*Edit* Torres on the bench.

Atletico Madrid XI: Moya, Vrsaljko, Gimenez, Lucas, Sergi, Kranevitter, Augusto, Thomas, Keidi, Correa, Vietto

.Substitutes: Werner, Savic, Juanfran, Filipe, Gabi, Gaitán, Torres, Griezmann, Olabe, Amath
 
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Well ****. Not used to that from a Klopp pre-season game.

Slow. Very sloppy from both sides. Like an early pre-season game. Atlético being typical Simeone sitting in and scoring from just about their only venture into our area. Superb save from Ward. Klaven being Klaven of the second half of last season when he completely went. Ball watching from the rebound as the lad ran straight past him to nod it in. And kids bouncing around on a bed the touchline, to sum up the night.

Hopefully, they'll be an injection of something, ANYTHING, second half.
 
GOD **** IT!

Brugge are out. Plzen, the dream trip, are crashing out. F-ing Moscow and that mad Istanbul side through so far.

Ajax or Hoffeinham looking the only decent trips right now. Sighs.
 
Unless i've misjudged the coefficients, as things stand right now I make it we could draw Hoffenheim, Steaua Bucharest, Sporting Lisbon, that mad Istanbul side or Young Boys.

I'll take them in that order ta.

*Edit* Get in! Nice equalised Ajax. That'd bump Sporting to a seed. Nice be boss.
 
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I kind of feel I should watch the second half again as I gave up on 60 and just had it on the background whilst I started making plans for Friday's draw. But Simeone, even in a friendly, is such a boring, hard watch I don't know if I could. I mean fair play to him, it's effective and his side, as gnarly and snide as they are, are as well drilled as most any team out there. But God it's tedious to sit through the majority of the time.

The loons among Arsenal fans that were clamouring for him to replace Wenger ..... Seriously. You're going from one extreme to the whole opposite end of the spectrum. That dressing room would be carnage dealing with that. That would DEFO be a case of the grass not always being greener.
 
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I kind of feel I should watch the second half again as I gave up on 60 and just had it on the background whilst I started making plans for Friday's draw. But Simeone, even in a friendly, is such a boring, hard watch I don't know if I could. I mean fair play to him, it's effective and his side, as gnarly and snide as they are, are as well drilled as most any team out there. But God it's tedious to sit through the majority of the time.

The loons among Arsenal fans that were clamouring for him to replace Wenger ..... Seriously. You're going from one extreme to the whole opposite end of the spectrum. That dressing room would be carnage dealing with that. That would DEFO be a case of the grass not always being greener.
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You never know, could be something of a perfect storm for a little while, kind of like the reverse of Martinez at Everton. They knew how to defend because of Moyes, and Roberto made their attack more exciting, but their defence got progressively worse under him season to season as they went further from the Moyes blueprint and forgot how to organise a defence.

Arsenal hypothetically could have a much more organised defence under Simeone but maintain some attacking flair at least until it was drilled out of them, assuming it was. Simeone is a smart guy
 
PatrickLFC said:
You never know, could be something of a perfect storm for a little while, kind of like the reverse of Martinez at Everton. They knew how to defend because of Moyes, and Roberto made their attack more exciting, but their defence got progressively worse under him season to season as they went further from the Moyes blueprint and forgot how to organise a defence.

Arsenal hypothetically could have a much more organised defence under Simeone but maintain some attacking flair at least until it was drilled out of them, assuming it was. Simeone is a smart guy
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I wasn't so much thinking about 'on the pitch' as the complete culture shock to everything. Wenger, by all accounts, runs a very relaxed club. Simeone is the polar opposite of that. To go from coming in to Wenger, to a regimented structure where you have to work your backside off every day and be ultra disciplined would be a massive change that I'm not sure many players at Arsenal would cope with. You're looking at completely changing a way of doing things, on and off the pitch, that's been ingrained for over 2 decades now to something completely foreign.

It might ultimately work in the long run, but you're risking even more of a dip and a few more down seasons whilst it kicks in. Which given the general mood and how they've gotten on Wengers back to such disgraceful levels the prospect of them affording him that time isn't too great.

If Wenger were to leave, let's hypothetically say next summer, to go from one extreme to the other would quite possibly be the single worst thing Arsenal could do and could well set them even further back IMHO.
 
This is tricky, because I'm pretty sure Coutinho was going to be playing deeper.

Which means Sanches?

But he can also play on the flanks and further up field

Which means Dembele?

I'd hate to be finding his replacement at this point in the window
 
Bujakaa said:
Lets say IF you lose Couthino. Who is the first name that u would want and can be bought or stick to your team as it is?
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Doubt he will leave this window although Neymar to PSG throws a spanner in the works. Thomas Lemar is my ideal replacement, versatile enough to cover the left wing and midfield like Coutinho. We'd really need to throw the chequebook at Monaco though
 
May chuckle at this, but Lanzini wouldn't be a terrible shout. Obviously not at Coutinho's level, but a similar profile with age on his side.
 
Bujakaa said:
Lets say IF you lose Couthino. Who is the first name that u would want and can be bought or stick to your team as it is?
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Ben Woodburn.

Presuming Coutinho goes a couple of years down the line.

If you're asking if he goes right now, then he's already here in Salah. We have enough in midfield to compensate, as we did last year against every top sides midfield they came out on top against when Phil was further forward and Salah (or Mané) take the role he was in last year and expand it.

Thankfully, it's not an issue this summer to even contemplate.
 
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RhQQ said:
May chuckle at this, but Lanzini wouldn't be a terrible shout. Obviously not at Coutinho's level, but a similar profile with age on his side.
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Was going to say the same thing. Only problem is he ain't at the level Coutinho is right now and what we need if Coutinho was to leave is someone who can come in and do the business from the get go.
 
Scouseinthehouse said:
I wasn't so much thinking about 'on the pitch' as the complete culture shock to everything. Wenger, by all accounts, runs a very relaxed club. Simeone is the polar opposite of that. To go from coming in to Wenger, to a regimented structure where you have to work your backside off every day and be ultra disciplined would be a massive change that I'm not sure many players at Arsenal would cope with. You're looking at completely changing a way of doing things, on and off the pitch, that's been ingrained for over 2 decades now to something completely foreign.
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I once read an interview with seasoned manager, and he employed culture shock entirely on purpose. If the previous manager was buddy-buddy with the players, this one would play a hardass. And if previous guy was a disciplinarian, he would play good uncle.

The idea being that people need a shakeup and exposure to something new to stay motivated. And if previous manager got the sack it almost always meant he couldn't motivate the squad anymore.

So yeah, there's different approaches to this.
 
Tyton said:
I once read an interview with seasoned manager, and he employed culture shock entirely on purpose. If the previous manager was buddy-buddy with the players, this one would play a hardass. And if previous guy was a disciplinarian, he would play good uncle.

The idea being that people need a shakeup and exposure to something new to stay motivated. And if previous manager got the sack it almost always meant he couldn't motivate the squad anymore.

So yeah, there's different approaches to this.
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This sounds like something I once read about a certain Dutchman
 
Very happy. My second preference behind Nice. Could have done without going back to Germany so soon after last weekend in Berlin but I'll never turn down a German trip. Particularly somewhere new.

Could have been easier on the pitch but I'm not overly concerned at facing any side in Europe this year given how this side is set up for the big occasion. They'll be far more worried about facing us than us them let's put it that way. Particularly after watching us wallop Munich through the week. Firmino be made up like.
 
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