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Agree with that far far to early. Considering they've strengthened(maybe not in right areas) they look worse than last season atm. Which would be a worrying thing.
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HAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
(That's not at you, but at the fact of there being people asking his head because of today.)
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its been brewing on twitter for the last month or so it's absolute madness tbh I honestly can't get my head around it
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Sacking him would be mental, but let's be honest, he's not exactly setting things on fire lately. I love the crazy German as much as the next guy, but he certainly isn't immune to having head up his ***. A little bit of pressure will only do him good.
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Knobheads on twitter invariably don't go the game.
Knobheads pontificating on all forms of social media, and internet platforms similar to this, invariably don't go the game.
Knobheads 'phoning in radio talk shows, invariabl don't go the game.
All the above knobheads (invariably from anywhere but Liverpool who probably couldn't even point out my City on a map if it was circled with arrows pointing to it!) are embarrassing, **** poor representations of the fanbase. (The word 'fan' there used VERY loosely for this kind of ********.).
As regards lads that actually go the game, and come to that lads I know, both personally and as work colleagues/ people you run into, within the City, Klopp is under ZERO pressure at all. He's here for the next 5 years at least and is building the football club with that in mind. To have future, sustainable success. Whilst trying to win in the 'here and now' as we go.
As frustrating as this current rut we're in is, with every game seemingly mirroring the last. (Completely dominate the first half. Should be a couple up the break. Can't score for **** and kill a game. Then the opposition gets one chance from bad defending and that profligacy in front of goal returns to haunt you and cost you the game.). As frustrating as it is seeing L'pool FC fail to beat utter ***** like Burnley and Leicester and having to listen to no-mark lads from shithole places who's clubs have never done **** all take the **** out of you to then have another 2/3 hour depressing journey home. As much as we know our problems but don't seem to be able to fix them whatever we do or whoever we bring in. As ****** as some of the managers decisions get you on a regular basis. As much as all that and everything in between which is making going the game more a chore right now than anything else, virtually nobody suffering through that at the match is even broaching a change being made. Let alone actually calling for his head. There's questions being asked on a whole host of issues regarding Klopp. Naturally and justifiably. But there's nobody not behind him as the ONLY man out there for OUR football club.
Don't listen to the knobheads.
There should be no question of getting rid of Klopp, but let's not act like some of those moaning on twitter are not also match going fans. Klopp beefs bit of a wake up moment, because these are ever present issues since her arrived, and ones he needs to solve. Granted it's the least valuable, but that's one less trophy that can be one, and at such an early stage too.
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For me, not signing a CB to address that defence is a sackable offence.
When the problem is systematic I'm not sure it would have.
There are no real leaders or people who are going to take control and do the bollocking when it needs putting out. You just have half-competent CB's with no leadership personalities whatsoever.
For me you really need leadership at the back, **** look at Arsenal as proof, they play 'attractive' football but won't ever win **** because they can't build a defence/spine to their team.
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For me, not signing a CB to address that defence is a sackable offence.
Maybe, but is hiring new players done by Klopp? Or there is a director or something than does the thing? Maybe Klopp asked for that but the director messed up with Van Dijk and then he couldn't get another either for not having funds, considering the asking prices were too much, in which case Klopp wouldn't be the one sacked. IIRC Klopp did talk about CB not being that much of a necessity, but even if he appears a bit nuts that doesn't mean he can't know to be diplomatic and tell a lie to the press to avoid making the club appear as incompetent or ignoring the manager, as we all know how it'd be if he said something like "I've asked for a CB, we need a CB but these guys can't do their job properly".
Personally, after following somewhat news and stuff about signings in Real Madrid basket section, I refuse to think I know who signs. We had Ettore Messina and we had first that he made the signings, but later he didn't do any signings, specially since it was clear he didn't want Begic but got forced to move a player off the team that then almost no signing was his; then he was replaced by Pablo Laso after two disappointing seasons (he did resign after a shameful performance of the players against Montepaschi, looking very much like not wanting to win, the one time I could believe that recurrent idea of players trying to force a manager out). Some signings happened of players and even in that first season the signings were made with him, by him or at his back. My theory is the cleaning lady picks a series of basketball magazines and throws a few darts, then they pick whatever player was hit.
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As for the knobheads, they're everywhere. I'm Spanish so I only have a few English followed, from FM things, so I see very little of Liverpool or non Spanish news, my TL is 90% Real Madrid fans, so while those I follow directly are mostly decent, I still see a lot of RTs of such knobheads. One day I'll roll my eyes so hard they'll fall off and reach Vladivostok before stopping. Probably the worst knobheads: they make a storm against sports press when it talks **** about some of our players (foreign players, because our press is not xenophobic, no sir), but give them a few months/days, wait for that guy's first not great match and then they'll be repeating everything the press said, even if the facts on the pitch are incompatible with them.
The first sin of everyone: They never consider there is a rival who also plays and can do things right, too. It's like they thought "my team is the only playing and the opposition is an AI team with a set difficulty, that considering my team is the best, has to be, said difficulty can't be higher than easy". Not to mention that paradox that if you read them: the best players are those not at Real Madrid, the Real Madrid players are ******, starting by Ronaldo and Bale, and they're Segunda B level, but it's unforgivable if they don't win against Bayern Munich. It's sooooo annoying at times to see the football tweets. Of course, if I'm watching the match, whatever similarity between what I read and what's happening is pure coincidence.
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There's no leadership in the team period outside of Milner and he doesn't play regularly at present.
Bur that still doesn't take away a lot of our issues are systematic as much as personnel wise. Do certain areas need upgrading? Undoubtedly. But the way we are schematically won't be fixed by just upgrading the CH's.
He's also got to drill the centre mids on tracking runners. Now if one saying that's also unfixable, then there is a big issue with how Klopp is playing. Liverpool have holes at set pieces, defender errors, and midfield errors. I haven't even mentioned goalkeepers. We're not going to talk about getting rid of Klopp, because that's just stupid. But it his absolutely his responsibility to fix the system, or change the system, because it's not got better that side since he arrived.
And aggregation and bravery especially in midfield.
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I have thought this for some time. I cant remember the last really aggressive DM/CM we had.
Can anyone think of one we had who is more recent that Mascherano? He is the last DM of that type I remember us having.
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Lucas.
Same centre-half. Matip is soft as ***** for someone that possesses all the tools.
Skrtel was probably the last CB that you'd be intimidated by as an opposition striker. You knew whether he was getting the ball or not, he's taking a chunk of you too. Bit of a scumbag at times with his challenges, but many of the top aggressive CB's were. United lacked this since Vidic. Bailly has since taken this crown... then again, you wouldn't fancy going into a 50/50 with Rojo either mind you.
Skrtel indeed. Fast, strong, incapable of intelligent thought, absolutely determined to lunge tackle everything in his path, and all that combined with a face of Auschwitz tower guard.
He may not have been a very good defender but he sure as **** was one scary dude.
He may not have been a very good defender but he sure as **** was one scary dude.
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Indeed. Prone to boneheaded moments, but he definitely planted some seeds of fear into opposition attackers. Not without his flaws, but you sure as **** don't concede all of those set-piece goals/chances with him either.
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We conceded more than our share of stupid goals from set pieces with Skrtel back there. Haven't defended them properly since Rafa.
Nobody's been dominant the air since Hyppia. Save for Nick the Greek for a short spell.
Nobody's been dominant the air since Hyppia. Save for Nick the Greek for a short spell.