The Liverpool Thread

[Scouseinthehouse]

I can guarantee there's going to be the...."special" kind people out there (to be polite)....who refuse to believe this-already seeing eveidence on Twitter. He was sent to one of the best neuro doctors who confirmed it what more do they want-why make something like this up? Don't know wether to laugh or facepalm lol.

I guess the truly stupid are beyond help sadly.

The absolute imbeciles, to be VERY kind, on social media aren't worth the time of day.

Karius got the appreciation he deserves a week last Saturday in the ground when he had the dignity to front up to his mistakes. As much as many were, naturally, fuming at the costly mistakes, the respect he got for not only doing that when he came over tearful at the end but for his part in an absolutely wonderful season from L'pool FC was, rightfully, acknowledged and applauded. The confirmation of this just makes you feel for him even more.

That means FAR more than any knobheads pontificating from behind a 'puter screen spouting low life, despicable _____.

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

Jesus. Was big Virge sat on a horse in Italy tonight?

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[Scouseinthehouse]

A potential massive shift if they're now prepared to revisit the law on standing again:

 

[Mike.]

1) Ramos was pushed by VVD
2) if you're talking about Ramos you've missed the point. How does everyone including the medical team fail to spot a concussion.

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

No points being missed on Ramos' continued, career-long ____housery. The fella' completely changed the course of the biggest game of the season with his indiscretions. To be kind. Twice.

How the officials/ medical team/ everyone else not stop the game and have him fully evaluated there and then is another issue again. They pulled the referee and looked at him at half-time when all turns out but presumably he wasn't showing the signs of a delayed concussion. But that all plays into a wider-reaching problem of football's continued VERY lax attitude to head injuries compared to other sports. Both in the immediate diagnosis and the amount of time players are held out when they have been diagnosed as having been concussed.

*Edit* End of the game sorry. Not HT. Brain freeze.

 

[dilakh2]

1) Ramos was pushed by VVD
2) if you're talking about Ramos you've missed the point. How does everyone including the medical team fail to spot a concussion.

Any other player I would give the benefit of the doubt but this is Ramos he's entire game is built around intimidating the opp. Tbh I dont see anything wrong with that but what irks me is how much of a coward he is due to him always trying to get players sent off and whatnot. Sure VVD mightve shoved him but its not out of character for Ramos to leave a flailing elbow. If you have history for being a general C*nt on the pitch its expected to be called out.

Edit: yeah sorry Mike he meant the elbow.

https://youtu.be/T9aEIHbKXbI

 

[Tyton]

1) Ramos was pushed by VVD
2) if you're talking about Ramos you've missed the point. How does everyone including the medical team fail to spot a concussion.

Medical team are 50 meters away, how are they supposed to spot a possible concussion when you can barely see there's a blow to the head on a slow motion replay of a zoomed-in HD footage.

I see a lot of commentary focusing on lack of proper concussion protocols and while that might be true, even the most rigid protocol wouldn't help in this case, unless if you are willing to stop the game after every rough collision and review the footage and then investigate if the player is well. Which still might not be conclusive because it's not ilke they have MRI machine on the bench.

 

[Mike.]

Medical team are 50 meters away, how are they supposed to spot a possible concussion when you can barely see there's a blow to the head on a slow motion replay of a zoomed-in HD footage.

I see a lot of commentary focusing on lack of proper concussion protocols and while that might be true, even the most rigid protocol wouldn't help in this case, unless if you are willing to stop the game after every rough collision and review the footage and then investigate if the player is well. Which still might not be conclusive because it's not ilke they have MRI machine on the bench.

By going up to the player and doing a god **** assessment. You don't need an mri to do this. Rugby does this every single game and spots the majority of concussions. Football is so backwards on this it actually makes me a bit sick. Rugby has far more collisions. ****. It's a game based on collisions. And it does a far better job. Absolutely no excuses for him not being checked out.

 

[Tyton]

Any other player I would give the benefit of the doubt but this is Ramos he's entire game is built around intimidating the opp. Tbh I dont see anything wrong with that but what irks me is how much of a coward he is due to him always trying to get players sent off and whatnot. Sure VVD mightve shoved him but its not out of character for Ramos to leave a flailing elbow. If you have history for being a general C*nt on the pitch its expected to be called out.

This a 100 times. If this wasn't anyone but Ramos, I might have given benefit of a doubt. But we're talking about the most violent player of the modern era. ****** has 24 career red cards. Twenty ******* four. That's twice more than Roy Keane for god's sake.

 

[Tyton]

By going up to the player and doing a god **** assessment. You don't need an mri to do this. Rugby does this every single game and spots the majority of concussions. Football is so backwards on this it actually makes me a bit sick. Rugby has far more collisions. ****. It's a game based on collisions. And it does a far better job. Absolutely no excuses for him not being checked out.

Why would they do an assessment if they don't see that there was a blow to the head? And when are they supposed to do that assessment? There's a live game running. If the ref doesn't call a stop and player or his teammates don't signal the bench, what do you expect med team to do? They are not clairvoyant and not at fault here.

Rugby match has a different structure and it's much easier to fit concussion checks into it. It's not at all clear how to introduce rigid concussions checks into football without dramatically changing how entire match is conducted.

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

26 out of 30 tests for concussion in Loris Karius' head scan were positive following Sergio Ramos' elbow. (BILD)

 

[Mike.]

Why would they do an assessment if they don't see that there was a blow to the head? And when are they supposed to do that assessment? There's a live game running. If the ref doesn't call a stop and player or his teammates don't signal the bench, what do you expect med team to do? They are not clairvoyant and not at fault here.

Rugby match has a different structure and it's much easier to fit concussion checks into it. It's not at all clear how to do introduce rigid concussions checks into football without dramatically changing how entire match is conducted.

He's quite literally said he's had a blow to the head

They have touchline feeds

Medics can ask the officials to stop play

Rugby matches don't have different structure. They have just learnt to take it seriously, unlike football

Concussion is a brain injury, if a player takes a heavy blow to the head, he should be assessed like any other injury

Anything else is bullshit excuses.

 

[Mike.]

**** like this happens because football makes all the excuses for it. Do we need a player to die before we learn?

 

[Mike.]

Even now m, the discussion is about Ramos and not how a player got through a game with concussion and no one spotted it, and how we should be trying to prevent it happening again

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

Wouldn't disagree at all that a lot of people have messed up there but 'bullshit excuses' for what?

 

[Mike.]

Wouldn't disagree at all that a lot of people have messed up there but 'bullshit excuses' for what?

As in dealing with concussion, not about the result. I know a few fans are clinging to it along that with that ridiculous petition but I'm not alluding to that

 

[Tyton]

To whom did Karius say he had a blow to the head? To the ref right after it happened? Then it's a ref's job to call it a stop. And if he said it after the game then what does that have to do with the actions of medical team during the game?

Medical team are acting in a manner and within limits that are set by the rules in which football match is currently conducted. Trying to make them into a scapegoat is absolutely appalling.

 

[Mike.]

To whom did Karius say he had a blow to the head? To the ref right after it happened? Then it's a ref's job to call it a stop. And if he said it after the game then what does that have to do with the actions of medical team during the game?

Medical team are acting in a manner and within limits that are set by the rules in which football match is currently conducted. Trying to make them into a scapegoat is absolutely appalling.

Signalled to ref and linesman. They can watch the game on the sidelines. They have specific feeds to watch games for injury. I know because the broadcaster are in charge of it. One way or another the medical failed to spot it. That's a failing. You can call it whatever you want, but they missed it. It doesn't matter who he's signalling to. The minute he pointed to his head They should have been on, that's their job. Doesn't matter if the ref didn't stop the game, they have the power to get the officials to stop the game

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

Don't get me started on that petition. Ridiculous doesn't begin to describe that. Totally the wrong platform for totally the wrong reason. That was just embarrassing.

I can only presume Karius was concussed but wasn't showing signs of being concussed when they got him in at half-time. But the delayed signs brought about him being sent the hospital last Thursday and all this now coming out. Often you don't know if you're concussed after a head injury and if others don't spot it then bad things can happen. So I don't blame him for not staying down. The officials/ medical team should have stopped the game there and then though to fully evaluate him even if they then, wrongly, cleared him to continue.

It's a far wider debate but I'm completely with you on the P poor attitude football continues to have toward concussions. Both at the time in diagnosing and getting them off the pitch and the protocol following and how quickly they're rushed back and allowed to play again. You're not just talking about players health here but potentially their life.

*Edit* Again, end of the game. Don’t know why I had HT on my mind last night. My bad sorry.

 

[Mike.]

Don't get me started on that petition. Ridiculous doesn't begin to describe that. Totally the wrong platform for totally the wrong reason. That was just embarrassing.

I can only presume Karius was concussed but wasn't showing signs of being concussed when they got him in at half-time. But the delayed signs brought about him being sent the hospital last Thursday and all this now coming out. Often you don't know if you're concussed after a head injury and if others don't spot it then bad things can happen. So I don't blame him for not staying down. The officials/ medical team should have stopped the game there and then though to fully evaluate him even if they then, wrongly, cleared him to continue.

It's a far wider debate but I'm completely with you on the P poor attitude football continues to have toward concussions. Both at the time in diagnosing and getting them off the pitch and the protocol following and how quickly they're rushed back and allowed to play again. You're not just talking about players health here but potentially their life.

I can totally understand assessment not catching it. But no assessment is unacceptable. Ref also at fault here too.