The Manchester United Thread

Bujakaa92 said:
Considering in what hole Napoli is you should go all out for Koulibaly. Might bring some steadiness to back line + sell De Gea (if there is someone wanting him) and give Henderson game time.
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You talking aloud to someone playing a game of FM mate?
 
Scouseinthehouse said:
You talking aloud to someone playing a game of FM mate?
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Dont think it would that mad. If they would be in talks with Koulibaly and show more intrest in him he might push a move out(something similar with VVD). Napoli is wrong side of the table + appointed wannabe manager...
De Gea selling might be harder as no big teams would be that interested in him anymore.

Would rather not compare it with FM but real life squad and transfer planning ahead, what United clearly lacks...
 
Legend Incredimaria said:
VVD can make anyone playing right beside him look WC tho. Literally any pairing with VVD will look WC. Psh mate, I think even if you pulled on your cleats and Liverpool gear, signed for the club and played alongside VVD, you'd look half decent as well ?
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Not sure I could marshall 3 kids (2 debutants and 1 his 2nd game) alongside me the backline as superbly as JMG did against Everton’s best side the Cup like.
 
Bujakaa92 said:
Dont think it would that mad. If they would be in talks with Koulibaly and show more intrest in him he might push a move out(something similar with VVD). Napoli is wrong side of the table + appointed wannabe manager...
De Gea selling might be harder as no big teams would be that interested in him anymore.

Would rather not compare it with FM but real life squad and transfer planning ahead, what United clearly lacks...
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Why in the World would he want to go to a club in such utter carnage going nowhere fast, with more than likely no CL football again, when he could have his pick of most major clubs or clubs with good projects?

You’re talking the only CH remotely approaching van Dijk’s level in World football here. Not some chump like a Lindelof happy to improve his situation/ finances.

Utd are no longer shopping on the top floor mate. That’s the cold, harsh reality of the situation.
 
Scouseinthehouse said:
Not sure I could marshall 3 kids (2 debutants and 1 his 2nd game) alongside me the backline as superbly as JMG did against Everton’s best side the Cup like.
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Everton created a lot of opportunities in the first half of that game tho so it wasn't well marshalled as you think. If Everton were more clinical, you could have easily lost the game
 
zzeezzy said:
I don't get the hate for Maguire I've got to be honest.... he's never a defender worth the price we paid mind. But he genuinely hasn't been bad this season either, he has been one of our most consistent players. That probably doesn't say much but there has been games like City at home where he has been good. Last game against Wolves as well.

AWB & Williams have mostly been great this season, AWB did struggle yesterday and had one of his worst games, but I blame that partly due to the system. He's much more comfortable when playing in a 4 at the back formation. Wing back doesn't suit him.

The main issue at United is the midfield..... if we had Fernandes yesterday then we would have scored at least one..... Pereira's decision making was that of a toddler. The other issue is a striker with a real presence and lack of forward options generally. Dan James looks like he has almost burnt out.
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Scouse gives you that worst possible analysis. I don't blame him tho since he's of course a scouser. If our situations were reversed, I'd do the same thing lol
 
You also have to think back to that Liverpool vs Arsenal game where your defense look like complete shambles without VVD. Again, VVD has that big on an effect. I think playing next to VVD is the easiest job in the world.
 
Legend Incredimaria said:
Everton created a lot of opportunities in the first half of that game tho so it wasn't well marshalled as you think. If Everton were more clinical, you could have easily lost the game
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Mate, seriously. They had three chances the first half hour and that was that. They got utterly outplay4d from the first minute to the last. In a team whose only other senior players were Milner, who went off early, Lallana and Origi. All of whom were superb that game.

That's undoubtedly one of van Dijk's strengths. Like most all-time great players. Elevating those around him. But it's insulting to the other CH's in their own right to suggest that's why they've all played to such a consistently high level.
 
Legend Incredimaria said:
You also have to think back to that Liverpool vs Arsenal game where your defense look like complete shambles without VVD. Again, VVD has that big on an effect. I think playing next to VVD is the easiest job in the world.
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Arsenal when Joe was coming back himself struggling for fitness after 9/10 months out? With a kid in nets his second game and nearly as weak a defence around him bar Milner?

Context mate.
 
Legend Incredimaria said:
Scouse gives you that worst possible analysis. I don't blame him tho since he's of course a scouser. If our situations were reversed, I'd do the same thing lol
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And that utter B/S is the same way many L'pool used to bury their heads in the sand over criticism the '90/ '00's to help themselves get through.
 
Scouseinthehouse said:
And that utter B/S is the same way many L'pool used to bury their heads in the sand over criticism the '90/ '00's to help themselves get through.
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I'm not denying we have issues, we have a lot and I've touched that topic a lot on this thread (so have other fans) but pointing to Maguire as a flop already is a lil short sighted. He's not worth $80 million and he needs to work on his communication but at no point this season do I consider him to be a flop. There are those games where he's looked iffy like yesterday's game (didn't cost us tho) but there have been those games where he's look fantastic like city away and most recently the wolves game. He needs to work on his communication which may or may not come with time. Idk

Now, if you're going to bash our midfield, that's very valid. Criticize OGS, absolutely. Criticize the Accountant pretending to know the ins and outs of football, 100%.
 
Scouseinthehouse said:
Mate, seriously. They had three chances the first half hour and that was that. They got utterly outplay4d from the first minute to the last. In a team whose only other senior players were Milner, who went off early, Lallana and Origi. All of whom were superb that game.

That's undoubtedly one of van Dijk's strengths. Like most all-time great players. Elevating those around him. But it's insulting to the other CH's in their own right to suggest that's why they've all played to such a consistently high level.
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Oh really now mate? Tell me, Matip had consistently performed consistently at a high level before VVD init? He marshalled the lot to clean sheet after clean sheet? Cmon mate. I remember 2-3 years ago how your lot would always Moan about every Joel Matip error on the Liverpool thread.
 
Legend Incredimaria said:
I'm not denying we have issues, we have a lot and I've touched that topic a lot on this thread (so have other fans) but pointing to Maguire as a flop already is a lil short sighted. He's not worth $80 million and he needs to work on his communication but at no point this season do I consider him to be a flop. There are those games where he's looked iffy like yesterday's game (didn't cost us tho) but there have been those games where he's look fantastic like city away and most recently the wolves game. He needs to work on his communication which may or may not come with time. Idk

Now, if you're going to bash our midfield, that's very valid. Criticize OGS, absolutely. Criticize the Accountant pretending to know the ins and outs of football, 100%.
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But you did pay £80 million for him mate and made him the most expensive CH in World football in so doing. Along with another £50 for AWB making him what, the 5/6th most expensive defender of all time?

When you lay-out that, you're paying for elite, difference-making players. That's the barometer when the stakes are that high. That's why we waited, after the initial F up that cost us another £20 million on him, another 6 months for VVD. Top bracket, the difference-making ability for the best out there. Neither of which they've been. Saying they're better than what you had/ have played well in certain games is a grasping justification of that.

Maguire has been a bang average defender in this league this year. If van Dijk, who BTW has dipped on his superhuman form of last season, had dipped to those levels he'd be getting slated all over. The tackle stat on AWB is a great one that gets thrown up on social media all the time. Some divvy's even try use it to say he's better than Trent. When often he's been throwing in last-ditch recovery tattles this year as he's been caught out of position in the first place! That oft used line from the summer that he never gets beat one-on-one has soon disappeared now he's on an island by himself and not protected in the Hodges ultra-defensive system ay? And all that's no real slight on AWB. He's still really raw and inexperienced. Both in age and top-level experience. He'll develop. Should add to the attacking side too going forward being he's a former winger still learning the position. But at present, he'd just a very highly-priced version of Nathanial Clyne.

I think it's been that long since there's been consistently high level defending at Utd that anything that's better than Jones/ Smalling et all is seen as a big positive to hang hope on.

But when the fees paid have been so ridiculous, and the standards aren't matching that, then rightly or wrongly that's what they'll get hold up against.
 
It is crazy that they are allowed to play with injury. Even with thin squad this shows bad man management. You cut your losses then with youth players, not play guys for them to break even more and have worse injury in the end.
 
Very strange the AWB is the new Nath Clyne now. Well I’ve heard it all! He was ***** yesterday no doubt! He looks absolutely shot imo needs rotating a bit. Hopefully not Dalot and TFM are fit he will get some rest time.
 
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