The only issue Charlton has with Jose is his antics, hence blocking him the first time round.
The bigger conflict is Woodwards man vs having the 92 in charge. The 92, would present a huge shift in power away from him.
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The only issue Charlton has with Jose is his antics, hence blocking him the first time round.
The bigger conflict is Woodwards man vs having the 92 in charge. The 92, would present a huge shift in power away from him.
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'K. Thank you. Appreciated. Well, I hope for your sake they decide he's not anywhere near ready to step up to the top job again presuming that's who you're referring to.
From that group, they could do far worse than look down the M6 to Stoke.
This!!!!
Absolutely. All things being equal he'd lurch you from one disaster to the next.
As far as ex-players go, there's only possibly Neville in the future, although he still has it all to prove; and if you could swallow your pride that many have with him and Citeh, Useless. Sorry, Mark Hughes. Old habits die hard.. He's taking Stoke on another level and they're playing far better football and have far better prospects than under that dinosaur Pulis.
Though I still can't believe you're not going all out for Pep behind the scenes.
We are going for Pep, City are just outright favourites
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Louis van Gaal cannot take all the blame at Manchester United - terrible transfers have given him an ordinary squad
Managers in football get too much praise when it goes right and too much blame when it goes wrong. It has always been the way but that mistake is compounded now by the fact that managers have so much less influence over player recruitment.
I look at Manchester United and, although there are some elements in Louis van Gaal's decision-making that we can all criticise, the bottom line is that he now has an ordinary squad of players.
The biggest problem has not been the two managers since Sir Alex Ferguson left but the recruitment in a transfer market that, for the really world-class talent, has become dominated by Barcelona, Real Madrid and Bayern Munich. United might be the biggest club in the world but they have no divine right to win anything.
Fergie had some great teams and players - and he would brilliantly add one or two each summer - but I felt the barrel had just about emptied when he left. Rio Ferdinand, Nemanja Vidic, Paul Scholes, Patrice Evra and Ryan Giggs were all going or on their way out.
David Moyes came in and is a good manager but it was a team that was coming apart. Fergie chose a great time to go out. He must have known they were in decline and that many great players were coming to an end. Suddenly they needed about seven players. It was always going to be difficult for whoever took over but it got even more difficult.
It became an ordinary team very quickly. They have spent a fortune since but where do you find players to replace what they had? The best strikers are at Barcelona, Real and Bayern and, for those that are left, you will also be competing with Manchester City or Chelsea.
That is not to say that United could not have done better with the money they spent. They have recruited poorly but, once again, that does not just come down to the manager. It will not have been Moyes or Van Gaal who is spending all that money and some of the players they have bought are not good enough. You have to look at the people who recruit these players. United have scouts all across the world and yet they go to MK Dons last year, get beaten 4-0 in the League Cup, and no one seems to notice the teenage kid in central midfield who is the real deal. You would think someone might have said: "They murdered us, who was he?" It was Dele Alli.
Tottenham then got him for £5 million in the next transfer window while United, who had experienced exactly what he could do, have spent £35 million or £40 million on worse players.
I think they still need four or five players. They do not have a lot of pace and there is no real balance in the team. Yet the problems for United are not so different to what the other top English clubs are experiencing. If the best players in the world are mostly going to Barcelona, Bayern and Real - and the margins beneath them are relatively small - it is not so surprising that our league has been so even this year.
They might have lost four games on the bounce but United are one of five or six who could even still win the Premier League this season. Manchester City have got beaten 4-1 this season by Tottenham and Liverpool and they look half a team without Vincent Kompany.
Chelsea are where they are and, while Arsenal lift you up sometimes, they can then go to Southampton on Saturday, get smashed and it is not really that much of a surprise. Tottenham still have a good chance and, even though it is very unlikely, it is not impossible for Leicester to win the league. I am not sure how much difference it would make if United made a change. Jose Mourinho and Pep Guardiola are the so-called best managers in the world but they are not world-class managers without world-class players.
There has been a lot of attention this weekon Van Gaal's press conference but, no matter who you are, it is not easy hearing people say you are going to get the sack. Let's not kid ourselves, he has got a big ego. He is wealthy. He doesn't do it because he needs the money but because he loves the game. He will have a lot of personal pride, he will be deeply hurt by what is happening but will still think he can win the Premier League before he leaves Manchester United.
The Telegraph
Harry Redknapp
Managers in football get too much praise when it goes right and too much blame when it goes wrong. It has always been the way but that mistake is compounded now by the fact that managers have so much less influence over player recruitment.
I look at Manchester United and, although there are some elements in Louis van Gaal's decision-making that we can all criticise, the bottom line is that he now has an ordinary squad of players.
The biggest problem has not been the two managers since Sir Alex Ferguson left but the recruitment in a transfer market that, for the really world-class talent, has become dominated by Barcelona, Real Madrid and Bayern Munich. United might be the biggest club in the world but they have no divine right to win anything.
Fergie had some great teams and players - and he would brilliantly add one or two each summer - but I felt the barrel had just about emptied when he left. Rio Ferdinand, Nemanja Vidic, Paul Scholes, Patrice Evra and Ryan Giggs were all going or on their way out.
David Moyes came in and is a good manager but it was a team that was coming apart. Fergie chose a great time to go out. He must have known they were in decline and that many great players were coming to an end. Suddenly they needed about seven players. It was always going to be difficult for whoever took over but it got even more difficult.
It became an ordinary team very quickly. They have spent a fortune since but where do you find players to replace what they had? The best strikers are at Barcelona, Real and Bayern and, for those that are left, you will also be competing with Manchester City or Chelsea.
That is not to say that United could not have done better with the money they spent. They have recruited poorly but, once again, that does not just come down to the manager. It will not have been Moyes or Van Gaal who is spending all that money and some of the players they have bought are not good enough. You have to look at the people who recruit these players. United have scouts all across the world and yet they go to MK Dons last year, get beaten 4-0 in the League Cup, and no one seems to notice the teenage kid in central midfield who is the real deal. You would think someone might have said: "They murdered us, who was he?" It was Dele Alli.
Tottenham then got him for £5 million in the next transfer window while United, who had experienced exactly what he could do, have spent £35 million or £40 million on worse players.
I think they still need four or five players. They do not have a lot of pace and there is no real balance in the team. Yet the problems for United are not so different to what the other top English clubs are experiencing. If the best players in the world are mostly going to Barcelona, Bayern and Real - and the margins beneath them are relatively small - it is not so surprising that our league has been so even this year.
They might have lost four games on the bounce but United are one of five or six who could even still win the Premier League this season. Manchester City have got beaten 4-1 this season by Tottenham and Liverpool and they look half a team without Vincent Kompany.
Chelsea are where they are and, while Arsenal lift you up sometimes, they can then go to Southampton on Saturday, get smashed and it is not really that much of a surprise. Tottenham still have a good chance and, even though it is very unlikely, it is not impossible for Leicester to win the league. I am not sure how much difference it would make if United made a change. Jose Mourinho and Pep Guardiola are the so-called best managers in the world but they are not world-class managers without world-class players.
There has been a lot of attention this weekon Van Gaal's press conference but, no matter who you are, it is not easy hearing people say you are going to get the sack. Let's not kid ourselves, he has got a big ego. He is wealthy. He doesn't do it because he needs the money but because he loves the game. He will have a lot of personal pride, he will be deeply hurt by what is happening but will still think he can win the Premier League before he leaves Manchester United.
The Telegraph
Harry Redknapp
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Never thought that was in doubt. By 'can't believe', I mean't I can't believe the reports you weren't.
But the home grown option? All things being equal that could be calamitous.
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Aside, but I can't stand that underhand, plastic faced, fraud (in more senses than one) of a manager. Absolute jackass to be polite who's achieved nottin' in the game in reality to what his ego thinks he is. But he's chummy with the London press so they give him the attention he seeks.
BT have done a decent job with what they've bought. If it wasn't from some of the absolute D listers they have on their panels and co-commentating.
What a terrible article, not surprising that Redknapp can talk only about transfers and nothing more.
Transfers were fine, we singed players who were doing really well but once they started playing for ManUtd, their performances started going downhill.
Herrera - Had great season at Bilbao and still a very good player.
Shaw - PFA team of the year as a teenager. Says it all
Rojo - World cup finals, he was very good for Sporing Lisbon too. Anyways he is a squad player
Di Maria - Had his best season of his career before moving to United
Blind - Won Dutch league player of the year and had a very good world cup.
Depay - Top scorer in the Dutch league and IIRC second best player in the league.
Darmian - Rock solid fullback and full Italian international.
Schweinsteiger - Roy Keanesque performance in the EC finals just 12 months back. Not the same player he was before but still very good player.
Schneidderlin - Rated as one of the best DMs in the league and at that time only competition was Matic.
Martial - Golden boy award winner.
It's just lazy analysis that transfer policy is poor and all that nonsense. More to do with Van Gaal's methods and how players are afraid to take any risks.
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Its not that the transfers in have been bad, but really the amount of players he's let go which has crippled the squad. We have no plan B. When we are chasing games, all we can do is swap pretty much like for like, or hoof it to Fellaini.
He's bought Martial who has the pace he was asking for, but plays him on a wing instead of on the shoulder of a defender to use his pace in behind. Thats just for starters.
Because of the squad he's left us with, we cant really change formation too much in games either and use our subs to change games. If after 60mins the tippy tappy **** isnt working (which is becoming normal now), we dont have the reinforcements to come on and change the shape and performance. How many games could we have won if we still had Hernandez and possibly Nani? For the record I cant stand Nani, but he would have given us another oprion. After 60 mins get Hernandez on and make sure there are 2 quick wingers on either side to get the ball in relentlessly. Either Young/Memphis/Nani on the wings putting crosses in. Hernandez could even be supported by Fellaini for the knock on's or provide a bit of height.
Put the ball in the box and Hernandez would score. We knew that all along, and he's proving it at Leverkusen. But because LVG won't deviate from his "philosophy", even when its blatantly not working, and got rid of all the players that would provide that plan B formation/style of play, we're completely ******.
Rafael should never have been let go, especially when we want to play with wing-backs. His defending is a bit suspect at times but I think thats more down to him making mistake when trying to get into position when attacking and makes rash challenges. Something which would have been greatly reduced with somebody like Schneiderlin on that side covering. Then we have the hernandez situation which ive explained. Nani as an option for direct attacking wing play.
I know he got rid of a lot of players to trim down the squad and get high wages off the bill, but when we look at the transfer fee's we recieved, and what we are crying out for now, it hardly seems worth it. He's trying to mould players into his philosophy that simply dont fit. A good manager would have realised this by now and tried to come up with another solution. The players have tried for 18 months to adapt to his methods. It isnt working. Now I think its time for LVG to adapt to the players and come up with something different. Something that will allow the players we have to get the best out of themselves. Not trying to shoehorn them into something they are not and is clearly not working.
He's bought Martial who has the pace he was asking for, but plays him on a wing instead of on the shoulder of a defender to use his pace in behind. Thats just for starters.
Because of the squad he's left us with, we cant really change formation too much in games either and use our subs to change games. If after 60mins the tippy tappy **** isnt working (which is becoming normal now), we dont have the reinforcements to come on and change the shape and performance. How many games could we have won if we still had Hernandez and possibly Nani? For the record I cant stand Nani, but he would have given us another oprion. After 60 mins get Hernandez on and make sure there are 2 quick wingers on either side to get the ball in relentlessly. Either Young/Memphis/Nani on the wings putting crosses in. Hernandez could even be supported by Fellaini for the knock on's or provide a bit of height.
Put the ball in the box and Hernandez would score. We knew that all along, and he's proving it at Leverkusen. But because LVG won't deviate from his "philosophy", even when its blatantly not working, and got rid of all the players that would provide that plan B formation/style of play, we're completely ******.
Rafael should never have been let go, especially when we want to play with wing-backs. His defending is a bit suspect at times but I think thats more down to him making mistake when trying to get into position when attacking and makes rash challenges. Something which would have been greatly reduced with somebody like Schneiderlin on that side covering. Then we have the hernandez situation which ive explained. Nani as an option for direct attacking wing play.
I know he got rid of a lot of players to trim down the squad and get high wages off the bill, but when we look at the transfer fee's we recieved, and what we are crying out for now, it hardly seems worth it. He's trying to mould players into his philosophy that simply dont fit. A good manager would have realised this by now and tried to come up with another solution. The players have tried for 18 months to adapt to his methods. It isnt working. Now I think its time for LVG to adapt to the players and come up with something different. Something that will allow the players we have to get the best out of themselves. Not trying to shoehorn them into something they are not and is clearly not working.
Apart from Giggs being unready, I'm pretty sure he's been the source of the leaks against both Moyes and LVG. I have no faith in his integrity. Guarantee G Nev would have never let that stuff out, whether he agreed or not. Giggs needs to go, whoever comes in.
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Funny just before I checked back in here I was reading a few pieces on the current situation, and the stills of them both on the bench leapt out. The body language between the two speaks volumes.
If he is/ has been undermining successive managers to his own ends, after all that club has done for him, then what an absolute ***** that man is.
Im sorry to Mike but I CANT believe that. That is only speculation (of the worst sort)!
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^^^^^ Someone wants to give that **** a severe slap and relieve him of his 'merchandise.'
And the same for the tool behind with the frigging half and half scarf!
And the same for the tool behind with the frigging half and half scarf!
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I wish I could walk over there to give that cut a slap...embarrassing
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Did you seriously just use that line in regards to Giggs? The guy has nearly 1000 apps for ***** sake. If there's one case where player did more for the club than the club did for him, this is it.
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All relative. Where would he be without the club? Who even now have him in a position scarcely deserves.