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Well, not quite. Seems pretty clear to me that he caved under pressure, either from the fans or maybe the board, to play more open football. Which ironically resulted in him losing a lot more credibility than when he was in full grind mode.

I was more alluding to him thinking he'd be in control of his own leaving that way rather than getting the sack; but has there really been that big a difference of late? I see the arguments in here both ways. But when you've had, what was it, 7 shots on goal the last 4 home games that's saying very little. Just how frigging bad was it before if that's opening up?

Defensive injuries appear to have done him more than anything. Playing that way and relying on the solid defence is all well and good. But when that breaks down, and you aren't attacking and scoring goals the other end; it all goes to **** quick. Real false way to build your side.
 
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Well, not quite. Seems pretty clear to me that he caved under pressure, either from the fans or maybe the board, to play more open football. Which ironically resulted in him losing a lot more credibility than when he was in full grind mode.

Defense became weaker with Schneiderlin injury. He should be starting every game, him and Schweinsteiger in the midfield.
 
******* ****, I thought something exciting happen. Turns out people just arguing about TV.
 
Absolutely. All things being equal he'd lurch you from one disaster to the next.

As far as ex-players go, there's only possibly Neville in the future, although he still has it all to prove; and if you could swallow your pride that many have with him and Citeh, Useless. Sorry, Mark Hughes. Old habits die hard. ;). He's taking Stoke on another level and their playing far better football and have far better prospects than under that dinosaur Pulis.

Though I still can't believe you're not going all out for Pep behind the scenes.
Hughes to be fair would be a good choice he didn't do that badly at Manchester City nor at Chelsea for that matter. I wouldn't be surprised if there aren't talks going on with Pep, however, he hasn't proved himself for me, as both the teams he has managed were already winners. One name not mentioned is Larent Blanc he's young, a proven winner (he won the French league with both Bordeux and PSG as well as managing France), he has played in England so knows the league. Only downside is would he want to leave a cushy job at PSG.
 
Giggs don't make me laugh, he has no real experience and before you post that picture again you can keep Brenda as well.

Actually, I'm pretty sure Giggs will take over as careaker for a week or two, while they sort out the new guy.

The logistics of replacing a manager at this time of year are a nightmare. The board and the higher ups probably don't even come back to work until January. There's also games every other day, and you need to give the new guy at least few gameless days to prepare, else you set him up to failure right from the start.
 
Defense became weaker with Schneiderlin injury. He should be starting every game, him and Schweinsteiger in the midfield.
It all started when Shaw had his leg broken, you can't maintain a defence without a decent backup and United don't have back ups, just youngsters with potential.
 
Hughes to be fair would be a good choice he didn't do that badly at Manchester City nor at Chelsea for that matter. I wouldn't be surprised if there aren't talks going on with Pep, however, he hasn't proved himself for me, as both the teams he has managed were already winners. One name not mentioned is Larent Blanc he's young, a proven winner (he won the French league with both Bordeux and PSG as well as managing France), he has played in England so knows the league. Only downside is would he want to leave a cushy job at PSG.

Blancs an interesting shout. Experienced. Respected ex player who knows the club. Did excellent at Bordeaux as you noted. Hadn't even considered him.

Yeah, with you and I think zz it was as regards Pep. Not to take away anything he's achieved, but he'd be of been hard pressed to fail if we're honest. Barca was the picture perfect first role. More or less already built. He had total respect through the club. And straight up I'd fancy anyone off this forum's chances of success in Germany with Bayern. Honest to God. You'd have to be incredibly bad to not succeed domestically there. Akin to Celtic at present in Scotland. But he's not managed to do it on the biggest stage of all with them.

I'd be very interested to see what he'd be like if he had to build a club. And with Utd being in transition and still needing a fair bit of squad work as you alluded to, along with him being (as yet) completely unproven in England, I think it's a fair point to question whether it'd be as slam dunk a move as many think.

All that said, as he's, on paper at least, the best out there, I wouldn't expect Utd to be going all out as a first choice for anyone else.
 
******* ****, I thought something exciting happen. Turns out people just arguing about TV.

Hey, you've nearly got through a day without an embarrassing display on a football field.

That's exciting right? Baby steps. :P.
 
So guys...quick fire question...should we lose to Chelsea, do you see Louis van gaal staying any longer?

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My only issue with Jose is a that he is a shithouse. The whole long term manager thing doesn't matter. because United won't regard him as one. There is a battle waging in the boardrooms that definitely want's one of the 92 to be good enough to be in charge. Right now they probably have their eyes on the wrong member. The best placed ones are in Spain. Jose would have one job: stop the rot and win trophies. He'll have to play the youth, because there are so **** many of them, and he needs United as much as United needs him.
 
United are a point where they could finish 8th, and they could also win the title. Whoever goes on a run of 7-8 wins on the trot will take this season
 
My only issue with Jose is a that he is a shithouse. The whole long term manager thing doesn't matter. because United won't regard him as one. There is a battle waging in the boardrooms that definitely want's one of the 92 to be good enough to be in charge. Right now they probably have their eyes on the wrong member. The best placed ones are in Spain. Jose would have one job: stop the rot and win trophies. He'll have to play the youth, because there are so **** many of them, and he needs United as much as United needs him.

Any feeling there's maybe a conflicted battle in Utd's boardroom over Jose right now? Thinking specifically Sir Bobby and anyone on his side. We know he's a diplomat and not one to rock the board. But we also know he'll stand up for what he believes are the clubs best interest. And he's never had Morinho down as being in that to say the least.
 
Any feeling there's maybe a conflicted battle in Utd's boardroom over Jose right now? Thinking specifically Sir Bobby and anyone on his side. We know he's a diplomat and not one to rock the board. But we also know he'll stand up for what he believes are the clubs best interest. And he's never had Morinho down as being in that to say the least.

The only issue Charlton has with Jose is his antics, hence blocking him the first time round.

The bigger conflict is Woodwards man vs having the 92 in charge. The 92, would present a huge shift in power away from him.
 
The only issue Charlton has with Jose is his antics, hence blocking him the first time round.

The bigger conflict is Woodwards man vs having the 92 in charge. The 92, would present a huge shift in power away from him.

'K. Thank you. Appreciated. Well, I hope for your sake they decide he's not anywhere near ready to step up to the top job again presuming that's who you're referring to.

From that group, they could do far worse than look down the M6 to Stoke.
 
Absolutely. All things being equal he'd lurch you from one disaster to the next.

As far as ex-players go, there's only possibly Neville in the future, although he still has it all to prove; and if you could swallow your pride that many have with him and Citeh, Useless. Sorry, Mark Hughes. Old habits die hard. ;). He's taking Stoke on another level and they're playing far better football and have far better prospects than under that dinosaur Pulis.

Though I still can't believe you're not going all out for Pep behind the scenes.

We are going for Pep, City are just outright favourites
 
Louis van Gaal cannot take all the blame at Manchester United - terrible transfers have given him an ordinary squad

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Managers in football get too much praise when it goes right and too much blame when it goes wrong. It has always been the way but that mistake is compounded now by the fact that managers have so much less influence over player recruitment.


I look at Manchester United and, although there are some elements in Louis van Gaal's decision-making that we can all criticise, the bottom line is that he now has an ordinary squad of players.
The biggest problem has not been the two managers since Sir Alex Ferguson left but the recruitment in a transfer market that, for the really world-class talent, has become dominated by Barcelona, Real Madrid and Bayern Munich. United might be the biggest club in the world but they have no divine right to win anything.
Fergie had some great teams and players - and he would brilliantly add one or two each summer - but I felt the barrel had just about emptied when he left. Rio Ferdinand, Nemanja Vidic, Paul Scholes, Patrice Evra and Ryan Giggs were all going or on their way out.
David Moyes came in and is a good manager but it was a team that was coming apart. Fergie chose a great time to go out. He must have known they were in decline and that many great players were coming to an end. Suddenly they needed about seven players. It was always going to be difficult for whoever took over but it got even more difficult.
It became an ordinary team very quickly. They have spent a fortune since but where do you find players to replace what they had? The best strikers are at Barcelona, Real and Bayern and, for those that are left, you will also be competing with Manchester City or Chelsea.
That is not to say that United could not have done better with the money they spent. They have recruited poorly but, once again, that does not just come down to the manager. It will not have been Moyes or Van Gaal who is spending all that money and some of the players they have bought are not good enough. You have to look at the people who recruit these players. United have scouts all across the world and yet they go to MK Dons last year, get beaten 4-0 in the League Cup, and no one seems to notice the teenage kid in central midfield who is the real deal. You would think someone might have said: "They murdered us, who was he?" It was Dele Alli.
Tottenham then got him for £5 million in the next transfer window while United, who had experienced exactly what he could do, have spent £35 million or £40 million on worse players.
I think they still need four or five players. They do not have a lot of pace and there is no real balance in the team. Yet the problems for United are not so different to what the other top English clubs are experiencing. If the best players in the world are mostly going to Barcelona, Bayern and Real - and the margins beneath them are relatively small - it is not so surprising that our league has been so even this year.
They might have lost four games on the bounce but United are one of five or six who could even still win the Premier League this season. Manchester City have got beaten 4-1 this season by Tottenham and Liverpool and they look half a team without Vincent Kompany.
Chelsea are where they are and, while Arsenal lift you up sometimes, they can then go to Southampton on Saturday, get smashed and it is not really that much of a surprise. Tottenham still have a good chance and, even though it is very unlikely, it is not impossible for Leicester to win the league. I am not sure how much difference it would make if United made a change. Jose Mourinho and Pep Guardiola are the so-called best managers in the world but they are not world-class managers without world-class players.
There has been a lot of attention this weekon Van Gaal's press conference but, no matter who you are, it is not easy hearing people say you are going to get the sack. Let's not kid ourselves, he has got a big ego. He is wealthy. He doesn't do it because he needs the money but because he loves the game. He will have a lot of personal pride, he will be deeply hurt by what is happening but will still think he can win the Premier League before he leaves Manchester United.

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We are going for Pep, City are just outright favourites

Never thought that was in doubt. By 'can't believe', I mean't I can't believe the reports you weren't.

But the home grown option? All things being equal that could be calamitous.
 
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