The Manchester United Thread

[damola3]

The reality is that if Klopp and Guardiola were average managers, everybody would be doing it. Klopp's made Henderson into a half decent regista while Mourinho is carried by Michael Carrick. There are entire books you can read. There is a plethora of content from predominantly foreign based managers.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Philosophy-Football-Shadows-Marcelo-Bielsa/dp/B01HUNCDGI

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Pep-Guardi...coding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=5RR4QJ7TE6GGTYPXXK4R

 

[Legend Incredible]

Spielverlagerung. Read it. Learn about football.
Juego de posicion - A short explanation | Spielverlagerung.com

You only have to watch this to get the basic idea.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrcDfcZlYX4

If Klopp's team only chased on the counter, how are they above Manchester United. How are they doing it with the 6th best side in the league. Is this what it's come to? Klopp's a miracle worker. This is an absolute joke. Why couldn't West Ham properly press Man City? I could produce a myriad of evidence to prove my point. To claim that Liverpool have no positional structure is absurd. They're the best coached team in the league!

Calm down. There's a better explanation for that vid. As a DM, your job is to make yourself available for your defenders to pass to. Carrick does it all the time if you watch him closely.

This stuff is basic!

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[damola3]

Don't believe what the mediots would have you believe. If only one player isn't doing his role in the exceptionally intricate system Klopp employs it all falls down. A counter attacking team Klopp's L'pool most certainly aren't. But they work their collective arses off so the lazy 'analyst' line is all they do is press teams.

Klopp is elite. The "chase the ball" nonsense is ridiculous.

Team Analysis: Klopp's Liverpool | Spielverlagerung.com

There are plenty of more advanced concepts e.g. Line staggering. The attention to detail elite managers take is incredible. Read up on your tactical theory.

Tactical Theory: Counter- or Gegenpressing | Spielverlagerung.com

Counterpressing variations | Spielverlagerung.com

Tactical Theory: Examples of pressing traps in the 4-1-4-1 | Spielverlagerung.com

Germany is an excellent league to watch for this reason. Lots of tactical diversity and innovation.

 

[damola3]

Calm down. There's a better explanation for that vid. As a DM, your job is to make yourself available for your defenders to pass to. Carrick does it all the time if you watch him closely.

This stuff is basic!

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It's very difficult to coach. Only 3-4 premier league teams at most can do it properly. Michael Carrick is a very intelligent player, however it's very difficult to get the timing wrong. The aim in the first phase is the quickest possible ball progression and the ability to quickly create overloads. Kante failed when Chelsea played the 4-3-3 for this reason. Wasn't good enough to be a pivot. Not everyone can be a Sergi Busquets.

 

[RhQQ]

Damola just go get your badges or something

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

Klopp is elite. The "chase the ball" nonsense is ridiculous......

You don't have to tell me mate. I wrote a lot on this a whiles back but then it was around the time Alcarez (Where has he disappeared to BTW?) was getting real narky at our outright love for our manager so I cut it back to save the peace.

I don't know if I'd agree he's one of the two best managers in World football. He needs to add a European Cup or two for that. But there's certainly no better innovative coach anywhere working on a training ground teaching his players.

That's where'd I'd distinguish between Pep/ Klopp and Mourinho. Coaching and managing. The first two are far better coaches. But you can't take away what Mourinho has achieved in the trophy stakes.

 

[damola3]

You don't have to tell me mate. I wrote a lot on this a whiles back but then it was around the time Alcarez (Where has he disappeared to BTW?) was getting real narky at our outright love for our manager so I cut it back to save the peace.

I don't know if I'd agree he's one of the two best managers in World football. He needs to add a European Cup or two for that. But there's certainly no better innovative coach anywhere working on a training ground teaching his players.

He's limited by individual quality. It's hard to think of any better coaches barring Guardiola.

 

[dilakh2]

I have to agree with Damola here the English league is miles behind the other top leagues tactically. Also anyone who thinks LFC just press needs to stop listening to these so called pundits.

 

[damola3]

Damola just go get your badges or something

I am doing badges. Hope to get UEFA B in 2 years. Held back for a while but it's nice challenging counterfactual narratives. As much as you may love some individuals, there's no room for sentimentality in the game.

 

[damola3]

I have to agree with Damola here the English league is miles behind the other top leagues tactically. Also anyone who thinks LFC just press needs to stop listening to these so called pundits.

Decided to do the odd bit of writing. Have mates who produce a much higher volume of content. I recommend Spielverlagerung very much. The site is pretty much professional scouts and analysts.

https://therationalityoffootball.wordpress.com/2017/01/04/the-bournemouth-debacle/

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

I am doing badges. Hope to get UEFA B in 2 years. Held back for a while but it's nice challenging counterfactual narratives. As much as you may love some individuals, there's no room for sentimentality in the game.

Lot of respect for that. A very long and expensive process to do that off your own back without any club/ FA/ County FA etc help.

All the best to you mate. Hope it ultimately gets you to where you want to be.

 

[damola3]

Lot of respect for that. A very long and expensive process to do that off your own back without any club/ FA/ County FA etc help.

All the best to you mate. Hope it ultimately gets you to where you want to be.

Cheers. Will cost me 1.5k just to get there.

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

Cheers. Will cost me 1.5k just to get there.

Wow. There you go. Absolutely scandalous with the complete dirth of English coaching talent at all levels that they continue to make it SO hard for your average Joe to get accredited.

 

[Legend Incredible]

It's very difficult to coach. Only 3-4 premier league teams at most can do it properly. Michael Carrick is a very intelligent player, however it's very difficult to get the timing wrong. The aim in the first phase is the quickest possible ball progression and the ability to quickly create overloads. Kante failed when Chelsea played the 4-3-3 for this reason. Wasn't good enough to be a pivot. Not everyone can be a Sergi Busquets.

That's basic knowledge. To be a pivot, you need to be good range of passing. Wait, is all of this structure just to get a team to play out of the back?

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[dilakh2]

Cheers. Will cost me 1.5k just to get there.

Then they complain why the level of coaching in this country is **** poor when compared to Spain and Germany.

 

[damola3]

That's basic knowledge. To be a pivot, you need to be good range of passing. Wait, is all of this structure just to get a team to play out of the back?

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It really is the best method, especially if you're a top team. They do this in the Spanish second division. It's kind of expected.

 

[damola3]

Then they complain why the level of coaching in this country is **** poor when compared to Spain and Germany.

UEFA A is 4k
UEFA Pro is 9k
Read this somewhere.
England has just 1,178 coaches at UEFA "A" level, compared with 12,720 in Spain and 5,500 in Germany. At "Pro" Licence level, England has 203 coaches, Spain 2,140 and Germany more than 1,000.

 

[damola3]

English punditry is absolute ****. There's no tactical accountability from the media. Vastly different football culture in Germany. In his first press conference upon becoming the Napoli manager, he joked "I've been asked more about tactics in 20 minutes than 5 years in England". Issues are blamed on "character" or "fight" than any rational analysis. It's an absolute joke. Nobody sees football here beyond formations and player roles. There's a lot of ignorance and sneering in relation to other leagues. There needs to be a big emphasis on footballing culture if the FA want to get anywhere.

 

[Legend Incredible]

It really is the best method, especially if you're a top team. They do this in the Spanish second division. It's kind of expected.

Did Leicester play from the back last season?

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[Scouseinthehouse]

English punditry is absolute ****. There's no tactical accountability from the media. Vastly different football culture in Germany. In his first press conference upon becoming the Napoli manager, he joked "I've been asked more about tactics in 20 minutes than 5 years in England". Issues are blamed on "character" or "fight" than any rational analysis. It's an absolute joke. Nobody sees football here beyond formations and player roles. There's a lot of ignorance and sneering in relation to other leagues. There needs to be a big emphasis on footballing culture if the FA want to get anywhere.

It's a whole other side issue I'm not getting into at this time of night but it's always amused me how Carragher and Neville are looked upon as de facto experts. When in truth they're just slightly more informed than the usual standard of the talking heads. But most of what they throw around is absolute nonsense.