The Manchester United Thread

RhQQ said:
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Tyton said:
Gerrard, Terry and Veira were all younger when they got the armband. Age doesn't matter, you either have it or you don't. I have no love for Mourinho, but to his credit he at least tried to extend the olive branch. He praised Paul in the media, he gave him the armband, and Paul just keeps starting ****. First it was the Barca rumors, now this. So I gotta give this one to Jose, Pogba is a ****.
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Mourninho also called Hazard better than Ronaldo, whilst Hazard flirted with Madrid and essentially got Jose sacked with some of the worst, most obvious cases of not trying for a manager I can recall. At least Pogba, through all his bullshit, is still actually performing on the pitch. Wondering if Hazards a **** and an idiot, or if it’s only one way. Alc?
 
This is getting beyond embarrassing. Wouldn't say Pogba is a fraud as he clearly has the ability. Problem is he hasn't shown it anywhere near enough for United.

Don't know how this ends but hopefully it doesn't all explode for our season sake.. what we are aiming for now at least.. top 4 seems a challenge in itself.
 
RhQQ said:
Mourninho also called Hazard better than Ronaldo, whilst Hazard flirted with Madrid and essentially got Jose sacked with some of the worst, most obvious cases of not trying for a manager I can recall. At least Pogba, through all his bullshit, is still actually performing on the pitch. Wondering if Hazards a **** and an idiot, or if it’s only one way.
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So everything is fine because similar thing happened in a club notorious for losing control over player power? I don't think you wanna go there mate.
 
Mourinho always finds a way to divert attention from his own mistakes by engaging in a public ******* contest with one/some of his players, usually by questioning their loyalty and desire. Better for him if the player is a big star. That way, he can keep the narrative that his good work was sabotaged by some of his players and walks out with his head held high from the disaster that follows.
 
Well after all this, it turns out it was a massive miscommunication
 
Whatever it was, the very fact that manager has to take time out of his day to micromanage people's private social media postings speaks volumes. Poor bloke is basically a glorified babysitter for a team of spoiled manchildren.

Heck, I can relate, Jose has half a century on me but I see similar **** at work. Most young folks are okay, but every now and then you get a kid for whom smartphone is basically a 5th limb and they're insufferable to interact with. Can't keep eye contact, can't focus in team meetings because he/she keeps peaking at her FB feed all the time, thinking they're being discreet. Now imagine they're aren't an intern on minimum wage but a spoiled multimillionaire and that you have to manage them. Stuff of nightmares.
 
RhQQ said:
Mourninho also called Hazard better than Ronaldo, whilst Hazard flirted with Madrid and essentially got Jose sacked with some of the worst, most obvious cases of not trying for a manager I can recall. At least Pogba, through all his bullshit, is still actually performing on the pitch. Wondering if Hazards a **** and an idiot, or if it’s only one way. Alc?
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You do realize he stopped playing after Carneiro got sacked and abused for coming to treat him on the pitch. Whereas Pogba is acting like a **** because Mourinho criticized his footballing performances and instagram posts...
 
Oh, didn't know that... in that case, his actions were completely justifiable....top class professional for the club who paid him millions that season.... NOT. Can't have it both ways.

Pogba's acting like this because he wants Mourinho out, plain and simple, just like Hazard did. Two different approaches, except ones being as subtle as a brick about it, whilst still performing on the pitch, and the other was slyly under-performing. Both as bad as each other when you break it down and weigh it up, can't subcategorize and say one situation wasn't as bad as the other based on their incentives lol. Tomayto Tomahto.

At the end of the day, Raiola & Pogba know what they're doing; putting the club in a "it's either me or Jose" situation, and there's only going to be one winner there with everything considered, which in the end, will be in the best interest of this football club. Agree with the actions or not, in the bigger picture, it is in the best interest. If (and when, fingers crossed) 2-3 years down the line Pogba's lifting the PL trophy as United captain and Jose watches on from his TV in his hotel room at Guangzhou Evergrande, we'll look back at this debate with laughter.
 
RhQQ said:
Oh, didn't know that... in that case, his actions were completely justifiable....top class professional for the club who paid him millions that season.... NOT. Can't have it both ways.

Pogba's acting like this because he wants Mourinho out, plain and simple, just like Hazard did. Two different approaches, except ones being as subtle as a brick about it, whilst still performing on the pitch, and the other was slyly under-performing. Both as bad as each other when you break it down and weigh it up, can't subcategorize and say one situation wasn't as bad as the other based on their incentives lol. Tomayto Tomahto.

At the end of the day, Raiola & Pogba know what they're doing; putting the club in a "it's either me or Jose" situation, and there's only going to be one winner there with everything considered, which in the end, will be in the best interest of this football club. Agree with the actions or not, in the bigger picture, it is in the best interest. If (and when, fingers crossed) 2-3 years down the line Pogba's lifting the PL trophy as United captain and Jose watches on from his TV in his hotel room at Guangzhou Evergrande, we'll look back at this debate with laughter.
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Whats funny is you trying to equate two vastly different situations and thinking Hazard was under-performing purposefully when its more likely his confidence and morale was completely shot.

But anyways, Jose is your problem now :)
 
Given that this group of players was apparently first feuding with Moyes, then with Van Gaal and now with Mourinho, I don't know where the optimism is coming from that sacking Jose will just magically fix everything. If the goal of football club is to make players happy, just hire Riley Reid as a manager. I'm sure they would stop complaining immediately.
 
David 'football genius' Moyes... LvG, who had the most boring style in England.. and Jose Mourinho? Some similarities there mate.

Modern top players want to play under modern, attacking coaches. Simple as. See any Liverpool players feuding at Klopp? Spurs players at Poch? Despite both being less successful than Mourinho's United trophy-wise. ****, Poch is technically less successful than LvG's United ffs. It's how the modern players are, whether you agree with it or not is a different topic.

You think Pogba, probably the most talented CM in world football (not necessarily the best/most efficient) wants to take less risks, sit in & weather storms frequently against inferior opposition and have little-to-no movement in front of him when he sees how Mane/Firmino/Salah move each week, or sees the platform Pep provides De Bruyne?

You think Martial, a touted Balon D'Or talent, who watches the likes of Mbappe win a World Cup with MATUIDI taking his spot on the other flank, or Raheem Sterling sit in the box week in/week out and tap in cut-back's & low crosses for fun each week under Guardiola, wants to do ugly work of being an auxiliary full-back/perform as a flat LM like Damien Duff? Nope. He wants to be high as possible and playing like he was at Monaco/under LvG. He wants the role Hazard's afforded under Sarri, or Salah under Klopp...Not even top 6 clubs, even Zaha for Palace.

Again, whether you agree with that modern player mentality or not is a separate issue. It's never been more of an attackers game, and they want to attack more than ever now. So yes, I do think hiring an expansive, modern coach would help happiness, morale & eventually (or immediately, check out Sarri) performance.
 
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I agree with everything you said RhQW but that still does not excuse the way Pogba has gone about publically undermining Jose. Even for arguments sake, if I agree that Hazard did the same, it still does not make it right.
 
RhQQ you cant put all the blame on the managers style of play. There is reason some managers have loyal guys, they dont go give crazy money to guys that are not worth it. They dont sign players who have these kind of egos + additional baggage with agents. And the biggest miss that United seems to have, is that players dont seem to fit in with each other. It does not matter how many smiley faces their twitter feeds on Instagram shows on training pictures etc. If there is non on the pitch, it is worthless.
 
Is it all José fault. NO
Is it all Players fault. No
IS it all Woody and the Glazers. No

its everyones fault we are as we are. Going all the way back Glazers, Fergie, Gill, Moyes, LVG, Woody, Mourinho, Players. How it’s gonna be put right honestly **** knows!!!
 
Alc said:
You do realize he stopped playing after Carneiro got sacked and abused for coming to treat him on the pitch. Whereas Pogba is acting like a **** because Mourinho criticized his footballing performances and instagram posts...
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This is a lie. Hazard has already downed tools. Let's not even remotely pretend it had anything to do with Jose awful treatment on Carniero
 
Everyone is to blame, and it doesn't really matter who takes more of the fault. You're professionals, get your **** together. We're not talking illness, or depression here, but schoolyard squabbles. Make decision and move the **** on
 
Mike. said:
This is a lie. Hazard has already downed tools. Let's not even remotely pretend it had anything to do with Jose awful treatment on Carniero
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You do realize the Carneiro incident happened in the first game of the season so there is literally no way to prove what you said. And as I said, it does not even matter. Does not make what Pogba did right.
 
Mino Raiola is set to meet Manchester United officials in November over Paul Pogba’s future. Pogba is happy in England, happy that he’s at United and happy with his teammates but due to his relationship with the manager, he’s open to a move. #mufc [Fabrizio Romano]
 
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