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Overseeing the rebuild is ok, but since he and Ole has been here we've given contracts to Jones, Smalling and Young. Not saying it was necessarily down to Phelan, but I get the feeling he likes those types of players.... rightly or wrong. I'm not overly enthused by it but meh, we'll see how it goes I guess.
Im not saying Ole didn’t have a say. But I read that those negotiations were already way underway before Ole got the job. Anyway there fine and squad options.
 
Im not saying Ole didn’t have a say. But I read that those negotiations were already way underway before Ole got the job. Anyway there fine and squad options.

They are not fine or squad options because they keep starting and costing us goals. We can't rest it up any longer, Jones & Young are nowhere near good enough. Smalling is arguable as well but not as bad.

We're Man United facing a massive rebuild and we seriously think that making Carrick Assistant manager is a good move? We should be employing the best, right now we've got an inexperienced manager at top-level football and will have an inexperienced assistant manager if Carrick is promoted to that role.

How can we get back anywhere close to where we want to be when we keep cutting corners like this? this isn't me being negative either, I'm genuinely concerned. Maybe some United fans are all sentimental and nostalgic about this, but to me it's not a club really progressing.

Are we actually going to even replace Phelan in the coaching setup if we make him technical director?
 
As for Smalling, Jones and Young starting and costing us points, what do you expect? We don't have backups. That is why they are squad players. Next year, when we have in the players we want/need/get(whichever of those options), they will go back to being squad options.

We can't ****** go replacing squad options next summer, when we already need to replace first teamers. Think zz. They are starting now precisely because they're squad players and we don't have very many options. It takes time to develop a squad. How the **** can you replace 22 people in a window? It takes time, have patience! Besides, good or not, you need some continuity in the dressing room. Say what you will, but in the olden days, they would have kicked everyone's *** twice over, and run them ragged in practice after such a performance. But you can only do that with a dressing room that is strong, with some continuity.

You always want the trigger-heavy option of kicking players out (Mata?), while the truth is he is more valuable in the dressing room, and as an influence on de Gea.

As for Carrick, I myself have my doubts. I still feel Mourinho missed Faria this season, which is where it all started going awry. We need a good Assistant Manager, honestly thought Phelan was best for the role. Which he will still be, if we get van Der Sar. IF not, I dunno, we will cross that bridge when we come to it. I kinda wish we can get Meulensteen back too, what is he doing nowadays?
 
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As for Carrick, I myself have my doubts. I still feel Mourinho missed Faria this season, which is where it all started going awry. We need a good Assistant Manager, honestly thought Phelan was best for the role. Which he will still be, if we get van Der Sar. IF not, I dunno, we will cross that bridge when we come to it. I kinda wish we can get Meulensteen back too, what is he doing nowadays?

Meulensteen is free by all accounts, recently done an interview on FullTimeDevils talking up the club and how he would like to come back. I don't know Sherkey, I just feel it's all getting a bit too sentimental with where we are heading with this setup. Phelan as technical director, Solskjaer as manager and Carrick assistant manager........

I take your points about how we can't replace all the squad obviously but the thing that really irks me is when people keep saying that they are 'fine''. Jones has been a liability for years and years, then we give him a 5 year contract. He has been just as bad last few weeks, I don't honestly know who made this decision. It has to be part of the current setup or our pathetic board, either way this is supposedly who is going to take us forward this summer.........
 
I don't get all this obsession with hiring Fergie's old henchmen. Phelan and Meulensteen have done **** all in their own careers.
 
I don't get all this obsession with hiring Fergie's old henchmen. Phelan and Meulensteen have done **** all in their own careers.

We keep trying to go back to this Fergie style United which will never happen, club needs to progress and move on from all this now. Solskjaer has his own vision I'm hoping but he does keep referencing this and it kind of worries me when you see the appointments we are making alongside him.
 
Why are so many obsessing over VDS? Everyone doubting Carrick needs to have a look at themselves. He’s been a model pro with a fantastic football IQ. Obviously has the qualifications or he wouldn’t of passed his badges. And you listen to any player first team or youth and they all say how he’s done well at giving advice/coaching etc. A huge part of Mctominey adaptation to first team football is down to Carrick.

Some serious underating here of Phelan and Meulesteen as coaches!
 
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Tbh Mitchell and Van Der Sar's experience in that role count in higher regard to Phelan's in Australia. I'm not saying he's a terrible choice but I would prefer someone a bit more fresh into the club and bring new ideas.

Carrick may well be a great coach but if we're losing Phelan from the coaching setup, if you look at it generally it does look rather lacking. McKenna, Carrick, Solskjaer and that other guy from Molde who I've forgot the name who he brought with him as first-team coaches.

IF Phelan does go from the coaching staff then I think we should replace him with someone who's some good experience behind them to backup Solskjaer, Carrick and McKenna if we're insisting on this way.
 
Why are so many obsessing over VDS? Everyone doubting Carrick needs to have a look at themselves. He’s been a model pro with a fantastic football IQ. Obviously has the qualifications or he wouldn’t of passed his badges. And you listen to any player first team or youth and they all say how he’s done well at giving advice/coaching etc. A huge part of Mctominey adaptation to first team football is down to Carrick.

Some serious underating here of Phelan and Meulesteen as coaches!

Reality check: Melenesteen was a failure everywhere he went after leaving United and he is now unemployed. Likewise, Phelan failed everywhere he went, and his last club was in Australia. Clearly nobody in the business is rating them, so why should we? The only impressive thing these two have done in their entire careers is working as yesmen for Fergie a decade ago.

As for Carrick, I'm sorry but the guy is so green he ****** grass. Given that Ole is also green, the sensible thing would be to back him with a seasoned veteran assitant who actually has some idea how things work on this level.
 
Tbh Mitchell and Van Der Sar's experience in that role count in higher regard to Phelan's in Australia. I'm not saying he's a terrible choice but I would prefer someone a bit more fresh into the club and bring new ideas.

Carrick may well be a great coach but if we're losing Phelan from the coaching setup, if you look at it generally it does look rather lacking. McKenna, Carrick, Solskjaer and that other guy from Molde who I've forgot the name who he brought with him as first-team coaches.

IF Phelan does go from the coaching staff then I think we should replace him with someone who's some good experience behind them to backup Solskjaer, Carrick and McKenna if we're insisting on this way.
You do realise VDS has **** all to do with transfers and he’s the CEO at Ajax doing the role of Woodward and Overmars is the DOF and handles transfers etc. So that’s bollocks tbh!
 
Reality check: Melenesteen was a failure everywhere he went after leaving United and he is now unemployed. Likewise, Phelan failed everywhere he went, and his last club was in Australia. Clearly nobody in the business is rating them, so why should we? The only impressive thing these two have done in their entire careers is working as yesmen for Fergie a decade ago.

As for Carrick, I'm sorry but the guy is so green he ****** grass. Given that Ole is also green, the sensible thing would be to back him with a seasoned veteran assitant who actually has some idea how things work on this level.
Bollocks yes men my **** plenty of of ex players have talked highly of both of them even ex coaches that have worked at the club. Meulensteen was a great coach for our youth also while he was skills development coach.
 
Bollocks yes men my **** plenty of of ex players have talked highly of both of them even ex coaches that have worked at the club. Meulensteen was a great coach for our youth also while he was skills development coach.

So he's great coach, everybody speaks highly of him, and yet for some reason he couldn't' even hack it in the Israeli and Indian leagues.

Makes sense.
 
So he's great coach, everybody speaks highly of him, and yet for some reason he couldn't' even hack it in the Israeli and Indian leagues.

Makes sense.
Well I suppose no manager or coach has ever failed or been through a bad time in there career.
 
They are not fine or squad options because they keep starting and costing us goals. We can't rest it up any longer, Jones & Young are nowhere near good enough. Smalling is arguable as well but not as bad.

We're Man United facing a massive rebuild and we seriously think that making Carrick Assistant manager is a good move? We should be employing the best, right now we've got an inexperienced manager at top-level football and will have an inexperienced assistant manager if Carrick is promoted to that role.

How can we get back anywhere close to where we want to be when we keep cutting corners like this? this isn't me being negative either, I'm genuinely concerned. Maybe some United fans are all sentimental and nostalgic about this, but to me it's not a club really progressing.

Are we actually going to even replace Phelan in the coaching setup if we make him technical director?

This is why people get ****** off ZZ, because you do stuff like this. Even when it's literally been explained a million times.
 
People are obsessed with experience.

HOW DID THAT WORK OUT LAST TIME?!

It's about the right fit, so much more than anything.

Also if Ole's ever needing some experienced thoughts, 1) Phelan is incredibly experienced as an assistant manager. Or have we forgotten who he was once assistant manager under. Not like he's going to disappear 2) There's a bespectacled scotsman floating about.
 
Another clean sheet for Dean Henderson. The lad just keeps on proving himself think that 19 now. So glad we got him tied down!
 
People are obsessed with experience.

HOW DID THAT WORK OUT LAST TIME?!

It's about the right fit, so much more than anything.

Also if Ole's ever needing some experienced thoughts, 1) Phelan is incredibly experienced as an assistant manager. Or have we forgotten who he was once assistant manager under. Not like he's going to disappear 2) There's a bespectacled scotsman floating about.
I really don’t get it. People talk about green and experience. It’s a good job Barca didn’t think like that when they offered the job to Pep!

Its like Phelan hasn’t been in football for nearly his whole adult life and part of one the the most successful teams/ clubs in the history of football working with one of the greates managers of all time. Same goes for Carrick!
 
Well I suppose no manager or coach has ever failed or been through a bad time in there career.

So they had a bad time, who cares? Are you a football club or a charity for failed former coaches? Nobody falls down from high-profile position at Manchester United all the way to working for semi-professional club in farmers league half across the world, not without a good reason.

If Rene and Pheland were so amazing, you'd think biggest clubs in the world would be fighting with nuclear weapons for a chance to hire them as coaches. Instead both of their careers went down the ******* rapidly after Fergie retired, and they both ended up working in ****-end of nowhere. Clearly they're not as highly regarded as you think they are.
 
So they had a bad time, who cares? Are you a football club or a charity for failed former coaches? Nobody falls down from high-profile position at Manchester United all the way to working for semi-professional club in farmers league half across the world, not without a good reason.

If Rene and Pheland were so amazing, you'd think biggest clubs in the world would be fighting with nuclear weapons for a chance to hire them as coaches. Instead both of their careers went down the ******* rapidly after Fergie retired, and they both ended up working in ****-end of nowhere. Clearly they're not as highly regarded as you think they are.
Well clearly all these successful ex players must be talking bollocks then.

Fergie most likely only kept them around so long because they were good at making tea and coffee and putting the balls away after practice.
 
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I thought the whole point of this director of football was to make up for the deficiencies of Woodward in signing players and making sure the signings are the right one for United.

Don't understand what Phelan is going to do if the role is anything like that, he doesn't have the contacts or player knowledge in Europe. Well not to the degree of others when he has been working in Australia how could he?

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Yes Phelan knows the club.... but that doesn't necessarily tell me he knows the way forward for this club. It's two totally different things. For all we know Phelan's vision for Unirwd is going back to the Fergie fundamentals, we can't keep looking back.
 
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