The Manchester United Thread

steveorobbo said:
I don't buy this not fit enough ****. When ole came in we was a different team. Maybe have been a bounce from a new manager but we was playing quicker and getting forward. Lose a few games and it's gone to ****. Now the excuse is were not fit. How? We had half a season under mourinho where we hardly run. So if they have done **** all for half a season, then make an effort on par with top sides for 2 months, all of a sudden they are knackered again?

They are professional athletes on tens and hundreds of thousands a week. And done **** all near required for half a season before they started running. Fatigue and fitness shouldn't be our excise now. And it's not like they have no energy at all. If they ran flat out for 60/70 minutes then got tired and dropped off then fair enough. But against Everton we didn't run from minute 1. Are we to believe playing 12 games at a different pace from before has wiped them out? If so they all need sacking

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You don't buy it but we've seen it.

All season we were outrun by EVERY SINGLE OPPONENT under Mourinho. Under Solskjaer we immediately outran every single opponents then after about 12 games we suffered about 5 hamstring injuries and immediately stopped doing so. It's not coincidence. It is however extremely damning of the fitness of the side.

Saying they are professional athletes is largely irrelevant. They don't control the level of their conditioning. This is something you bring to a level in pre season, and maintain throughout the season, because the body has to be ready to sustain that over long term periods.

We saw it last night against the fittest side in the league. Blowing after half an hour. Then we started dropping off, being second best, got picked off
 
Sherkey said:
You keep highlighting this all the time zZ. They are not the best, but they are good enough to be rotational options. That is why they received new contracts. And they add to our homegrown contingent.

They are rotational, and won't start next season. They are perfect for rotation, though, and you do need an alternate to a BPD, and Smalling is good at staying back. As for Young, he has a one year contract extension, and as long as he doesn't start next season, it is still a pretty good deal covering for injuries (the club is already looking for a RB, and Shaw will start on the left). Young can cover for multiple positions, and gives it his all on the pitch, generally. And we need leaders in the dressing room, and he atleast serves as that.

You are basically looking at the past few games, seeing Young, Jones and Smalling starting and hyperventilating about the future. IF they are still starting at the start of next season, I will give you that. But until then, it is a situation noone can do anything about, due to a lack of other players in the positions. Besides, with a new CB next season, we would have to go to the market to get two more passable CBs incase Smalling and Jones weren't extending, adding to an already seemingly impossible rebuild.
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Exactly!!!
 
When did City become the de facto fittest side in the league? And not 'one of the fittest?'

Twice I've seen that the last 12 hours or so.

Curious minds and all that. Shrugs.
 
Scouseinthehouse said:
When did City become the de facto fittest side in the league? And not 'one of the fittest?'

Twice I've seen that the last 12 hours or so.

Curious minds and all that. Shrugs.
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Fittest, one of the fittest. You're pointless splitting hairs over the core issue.

Shrugs
 
Honestly would be happy for Fletcher to come in at some capacity. Listening to him a lot lately on various pods and 5 live. Talks a **** of a lot of sense and admits to being a real student of the game. Didn’t realise he’d done his badges and been doing a bit of advising for Scottish FA/National team.
 
Mike. said:
Fittest, one of the fittest. You're pointless splitting hairs over the core issue.

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It was a genuine question as you specifically made the point. Twice.

But regardless, whilst you're right over Utd's P poor fitness levels, there's also no excuse for a lot of the players completely downing tools and putting zero effort in at all at Everton. Which I believe was Robbo's point. We struggled with up and down fitness (and a horrible run of injuries related to it) whilst they changed from Rodgers to Klopp but at the least, they were giving everything every game and 5 months in they were looking a lot fitter than when he first arrived and lasting longer. And he never tipped up until the October in 2015.

So the fitness line only goes so far and is being badly overused here. As pertinent as the general point is.
 
Theatre of Dreams83 said:
Honestly would be happy for Fletcher to come in at some capacity. Listening to him a lot lately on various pods and 5 live. Talks a **** of a lot of sense and admits to being a real student of the game. Didn’t realise he’d done his badges and been doing a bit of advising for Scottish FA/National team.
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Totally wrong move for me, this club seems to be obsessed with having to hire someone who has previous connection with the club. If you're looking to become the best in the business, lets hire the best in the business.

There are thousands of people in Fletcher's position, I don't see how him and & Phelan seem like a good idea to take this club forward. We need someone to come in and shake this joint up, fresh approach and new ideas. Not people who are built on the old regime and think we can get back to the Fergie way.

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Theoretically we will look like this: -

Phelan
Fletcher

CSolskjaerC
arrick
McKenna

That's really the way to take us forward? Is anyone actually genuinely thinking the biggest rebuild this club has ever had will be turned around with that. Sigh.
 
Noone is looking at Fletcher. We have been beset with rumours ever since we announced are looking for a DoF. So, it's probably just that. Rumours.

The only problem is if the Glazers/Woodward are looking for yes-men. That makes it a problem. Let's hope not. But don't think I want Fletcher. I would be okay with Phelan, but I would be equally happy with someone foreign too. What I don't want is a figurehead appointment, just for the sake of it. That would be a disaster, and all that person would be is a scapegoat.

Anyhow, forget fitness, the players seem to be showing no desire to play on the pitch, too. Especially Pogba, he has largely been invisible on the pitch. He has been more inconsistent over the course of this season than Nani, and that is saying something. Honestly, if doesn't want to play, just flog him off for a good price. Will help with the rebuild, and will remove his nonsense from the dressing room. No point keeping him, and then him being a passenger in the team. He should have been carrying this ****** team.

I get tiredness and conditioning, but I don't get players not giving it their all. And we have seen too much of that in Pogba and MArtial. And sheer ineptitude in recent matches by Lukaku, Matic, Fred. Something has to give, even if it is a swift kick up the ****. It is ridiculous that they are getting away with it, on the surface.
 
Sherkey said:
Noone is looking at Fletcher. We have been beset with rumours ever since we announced are looking for a DoF. So, it's probably just that. Rumours.

The only problem is if the Glazers/Woodward are looking for yes-men. That makes it a problem. Let's hope not. But don't think I want Fletcher. I would be okay with Phelan, but I would be equally happy with someone foreign too. What I don't want is a figurehead appointment, just for the sake of it. That would be a disaster, and all that person would be is a scapegoat..
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I honestly don't know what we have to do to see Greenwood, the guy is scoring and playing levels above anyone in this team, he can't do any worse than these. Yes I know it's different football level in itself but if he can't get a chance now, when will he? When Lukaku came on he got the ball closer to the car park than the net.
 
djs1 said:
pogba in team of the year??anyone else surprised?
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I don't know what was more surprising. That and no Son for one.

Or Ederson in nets. How do you not vote in the fella with more CS and fewer goals conceded?

I presume Raheem will bag the young player award or that will be another complete joke.
 
Sherkey said:
Noone is looking at Fletcher. We have been beset with rumours ever since we announced are looking for a DoF. So, it's probably just that. Rumours.

The only problem is if the Glazers/Woodward are looking for yes-men. That makes it a problem. Let's hope not. But don't think I want Fletcher. I would be okay with Phelan, but I would be equally happy with someone foreign too. What I don't want is a figurehead appointment, just for the sake of it. That would be a disaster, and all that person would be is a scapegoat.

Anyhow, forget fitness, the players seem to be showing no desire to play on the pitch, too. Especially Pogba, he has largely been invisible on the pitch. He has been more inconsistent over the course of this season than Nani, and that is saying something. Honestly, if doesn't want to play, just flog him off for a good price. Will help with the rebuild, and will remove his nonsense from the dressing room. No point keeping him, and then him being a passenger in the team. He should have been carrying this ****** team.

I get tiredness and conditioning, but I don't get players not giving it their all. And we have seen too much of that in Pogba and MArtial. And sheer ineptitude in recent matches by Lukaku, Matic, Fred. Something has to give, even if it is a swift kick up the ****. It is ridiculous that they are getting away with it, on the surface.
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I'm not far off trading Pogba for Neves and Milinkovic-Savic.

Martial needs to get his **** together, so does Lukaku,

Get meunier in. Excellent top pro, good going forwards, solid at the back
 
Pogba and Hazard frustrate the living P out of me. Why I could never give credence to anyone that claimed either were among the top players in this league. They both have all the ability going and 'should' be dominating every week. But it's as and when they want to turn up. Hazard doesn't only take months off, he takes whole season's off his time at Chelsea for his WC ability. Then he scores a Worldie, effortlessly, against West Ham the other week and the mediots are creaming themselves over him again.

Can't do with natural God-given wastes of top echelon talent like that.
 
Both are definitely among the top players in the league. When they want to be.
 
Scouseinthehouse said:
Pogba and Hazard frustrate the living P out of me. Why I could never give credence to anyone that claimed either were among the top players in this league. They both have all the ability going and 'should' be dominating every week. But it's as and when they want to turn up. Hazard doesn't only take months off, he takes whole season's off his time at Chelsea for his WC ability. Then he scores a Worldie, effortlessly, against West Ham the other week and the mediots are creaming themselves over him again.

Can't do with natural God-given wastes of top echelon talent like that.
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No wonder he didn't last long under Fergie and Mourinho calling him virus was right all along. Don't think Klopp would put up with him for long either. But who knows, I don't know what to think anymore. Maybe they are just playing in ***** teams and can't deliver when they are playing with the likes of Lukaku or Higuain.
 
zzeezzy said:
I honestly don't know what we have to do to see Greenwood, the guy is scoring and playing levels above anyone in this team, he can't do any worse than these. Yes I know it's different football level in itself but if he can't get a chance now, when will he? When Lukaku came on he got the ball closer to the car park than the net.
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Hes been struggling with a growth spurt. He’s hardly featured for any level in the last few months it’s expected he’s 17.
 
zzeezzy said:
Totally wrong move for me, this club seems to be obsessed with having to hire someone who has previous connection with the club. If you're looking to become the best in the business, lets hire the best in the business.

There are thousands of people in Fletcher's position, I don't see how him and & Phelan seem like a good idea to take this club forward. We need someone to come in and shake this joint up, fresh approach and new ideas. Not people who are built on the old regime and think we can get back to the Fergie way.

--------

Theoretically we will look like this: -

Phelan
Fletcher

CSolskjaerC
arrick
McKenna

That's really the way to take us forward? Is anyone actually genuinely thinking the biggest rebuild this club has ever had will be turned around with that. Sigh.
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Its not a bad thing you know to get players in and nearly all the top teams in Europe do it. clubs usually find a former player that is well liked and groom them for the position. Overmars and VDS at Ajax, Abidal at Barca, John De Jong and Van Bomm at PSV, Zorc at Dortmund, Hasan Salihamidžić at Bayern, Zidane used to be Real's director of Football. There’s even more but like Sherk said it could all be talk and will have to see.
 
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