I am sure both of them would truly shine if they were surrounded by better players.
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I am sure both of them would truly shine if they were surrounded by better players.
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Di Marzio reporting that inter would be interested in a swap deal for Icardi.
I have no words if you are saying that Hazard is not top of the top player in PL. At least you did not say Salah is better, but i know what you are thinking.
Hazard in the Premier League 18/19:
30 starts
29 G/A (Most)
16 goals (joint 4th)
13 assists (Most)
13 MOTMs (Most)
122 dribbles (Most)
89 chances created (2nd)
• Most points won with G/A: 23
• Bigger % contribution in team’s goals: 49%
Just small addition, he has played 300min less than Salah.
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De Gea is such a snowflake, we may swell cash in on the lot of them this summer. If it is a rebuild may swell do it properly from the start, him and Pogba don't even want to be here anyway. Questionable on both goals again yesterday.
My issue with De Gea all along has been if you take away his reflexes and shot stopping, other parts of his game become exposed. Distribution, communication, commanding an area.
I really don't see how we can resolve his contract when it will break our structure again, he isn't even proving that he's worth it. It's not like our defence can control themselves, I'vemlong wondered if the team generally would benefit from a keeper who had more of the skills De Gea lacks.
My issue with De Gea all along has been if you take away his reflexes and shot stopping, other parts of his game become exposed. Distribution, communication, commanding an area.
I really don't see how we can resolve his contract when it will break our structure again, he isn't even proving that he's worth it. It's not like our defence can control themselves, I'vemlong wondered if the team generally would benefit from a keeper who had more of the skills De Gea lacks.
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Erm, De gea's distribution has been quite solid barring this season and his first. He's never really been commanding tbh but he makes up for it with cat-like reflexes.
And again, if you take away Shot stopping and reflex, why TF is he a GK then? It's like saying if you take away dribbling and technique, Messi is a decent player.
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Game has progressed last few years in PL so you see de Gea weaknesses even more now. Since Pep has come to this league it has made the keeper role almost multi-functional, obviously doing the basics well (saving shots) but you need to be really comfortable on the ball and being able to start out from the back. Hs distribution has only usually relied on kicking long up till now, because none of our previous managers want to play like that really.
I think as much as we don't like to admit it,De Gea kind of typifies a big problem on this team. No leadership and a bit spineless truth be told. That's not just him, but I think a greater majority now of this squad.
Been a great servant to United, although lets be honest he would have bailed years ago if it wasn't for a fax machine. I think the time is right now for both to move on, we can't put him on massive wages.
If Solskjaer wants to supposedly implement the progressive stye next season, he doesn't suit it if you want t play out from the back. Just my opinion anyway.
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Can’t believe some actually want to sell arguably and still is imo the best GK in the world. There’s actually nothing wrong with De Gea distribution. It want that long ago people where raving about his pin point GKs to the wide players or STR. He’s having an off season shot to death confidence wise from the WC. Even still he’s been better than 90% of other GKs in world football.
I'd take it every day of the week personally. I know some like Lukaku but he is **** if you want to build a team and play football like Ole did at the start of his reign. Icardi would be a better fit, yes I know his all round build up isn't great but he has better fundamentals. (First touch etc.)
He's far from perfect but considering the options this summer I'd definitely pursue it. Lukaku wants to go to Serie A because it's slower anyway, will suit his play better.
Works for both parties, but does carry a bit off baggage which may be an issue. I just don't see a better alternative for us this summer though.
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Mo Salah with way more goals and assists than Hazard his two seasons at Anfield?
That Mo Salah? The Mo Salah that tips up EVERY game and works his bollocks off. That one?
Hazard disappears for games on end and only tips up and turns it on when he wants to. But let the stats to suit paint a different picture. Hazard is a World class talent. And a lazy ____ who ___ all over Mourinho, his club, and teammates. He ‘should’ be dominating EVERY game he plays ala Messi. But he doesn’t have Messi’s attitude to prove week in, week out hes the best.
I wasn’t ‘thinking’ of anyone in comparison but as you brought Mo up, I’d take him ANY day of the week over Hazard. Because I can rely on Salah. Not just hope that Hazard ‘might be’ in the mood to come out to play.
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Not getting involved with Lukaku but zz mate, you can’t call this player and that player for being a problem off the field and then want a complete malcontent like Icardi brought into the changies.
Thats ridiculous selective hypocrisy.
Thats ridiculous selective hypocrisy.
Lukaku carries baggage as well though, was only a few weeks back his agent was on Sky sports saying how his future are open and wants new challenges.
Icardi does carry baggage which is an issue in itself, but a lot of footballers these days do. I don't know what the alternative is because Lukaku is pants.
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But you don’t just replace one with another because ones a far better player. You’re still having all the off-field issues (and Icardi’s been a complete spoiled brat at Inter) that you naturally want Solksjaer to sort out and change the whole culture at Utd.
Its not a video game man. You can’t just drop a name in and think it’ll all magically mesh off the park. Some things are WAY bigger than just a name/ talent.
Thats Woodward thinking who you (naturally. And rightly) want to get away from.
Its not a video game man. You can’t just drop a name in and think it’ll all magically mesh off the park. Some things are WAY bigger than just a name/ talent.
Thats Woodward thinking who you (naturally. And rightly) want to get away from.
Can't argue with you there tbf. You're right more than anything the culture needs to change. That's why I think players like Henderson and Milner are so important for you lot. Even though fans may say they are limited in some ways as footballers, they offer far more off the field that is essential to the overall team dynamic.
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The way he's been playing this season he's not even top 3 goalkeeper in the Premier League.
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In any case it's gonna be difficult situation with De Gea in the summer. He wants a massive raise, but hasn't even been playing good enough to warrant his current wages. And Zzezzy has a point that a 29-year old reflex merchant is likely only going to continue declining. Then again, ditching your best player of the past 6-7 years on the basis of one sloppy season doesn't seem right.
No way in **** do we want Icardi in our dressing room, there's enough turmoil as it is. Besides, call a spade a spade, he is a poacher. You can't call out DDG for his distribution skills, and in the same minute, want Icardi, who is a glorified poacher (albeit a good one). Dybala would suit us much better, especially if we are flogging off Lukaku to the Serie A (where apparently he wants to move).
And god, no, wouldn't want to let DDG go. That is absolutely mental. He has had one bad season. One. And everyone is going gung ho on a distribution style GK now. It was popular also in the older days (van Der Sar era, when he was starting out). And then the dominant playing style changed. And a regular GK became the norm again. It's always been a cycle. Stop jizzing on a distribution GK. If DDG gets back to his normal form next season, I don't give a hoot about his bad distribution, if he starts saving lilke Superman, Aquaman and Mr Fantastic rolled into one. :/
Also, have you imagined the cost involved to replace him? Who could we get that would be an upgrade or has the potential to be one? Oblak? or Donnarrumma? Their transfer fees and wages are likely to be insane.
And god, no, wouldn't want to let DDG go. That is absolutely mental. He has had one bad season. One. And everyone is going gung ho on a distribution style GK now. It was popular also in the older days (van Der Sar era, when he was starting out). And then the dominant playing style changed. And a regular GK became the norm again. It's always been a cycle. Stop jizzing on a distribution GK. If DDG gets back to his normal form next season, I don't give a hoot about his bad distribution, if he starts saving lilke Superman, Aquaman and Mr Fantastic rolled into one. :/
Also, have you imagined the cost involved to replace him? Who could we get that would be an upgrade or has the potential to be one? Oblak? or Donnarrumma? Their transfer fees and wages are likely to be insane.