I know we don't boo our players, but everyone at OT today should have gave the lot of them both barrels and make it 100% clear that this is unacceptable. Its bad enough losing away to already relegated Huddersfield but to lose at home in the final game to already relegated Cardiff is just taking the ****.
Didn’t watch. How did the youngsters get on? Literally a nothing game and people still losing there **** lol!
Because we were ****. People are entitled to lose their **** at this point, ToD. I'm completely on-board with Mike's point, mind, just that our players have been disgraceful, and I'm not talking about their form, but their mentality. They have just given up.Didn’t watch. How did the youngsters get on? Literally a nothing game and people still losing there **** lol!
Didn’t watch. How did the youngsters get on? Literally a nothing game and people still losing there **** lol!
Because we were ****. People are entitled to lose their **** at this point, ToD. I'm completely on-board with Mike's point, mind, just that our players have been disgraceful, and I'm not talking about their form, but their mentality. They have just given up.
I'm still cautioning patience regarding transfers, and patience regarding Ole, in giving him a proper pre-season. But that still doesn't excuse the **** performance that our current team have been turning up. Gah. This is beyond them being fried out with high pressing and low conditioning. This is them not giving a ****. And that, no matter where, is unacceptable.
It’s just funny last since the Cardiff match 99% of people have been. Pointless match, not gonna bother watching, end the season now, I’m done blah blah. Then the same people are losing there **** over stuff we was all expecting. If anyone thought the players were gonna put on a dominant performance or whatever or be any different then more fool then we’ve known for a while they couldn’t give a toss and likely won’t be here.
Yes the players should give a **** but they haven’t for weeks. Totally agree with Mikes points! They have all been warned! And Ole will have seen enough now and most likely told a lot of these they won’t be here. And the ones that are told there staying have no excuses!
Yep. Role on the Summer/Pre season where we shall start getting an indicator of what to expect.They should be sacked, if I don't turn up and do my job to a good level then that would happen.
If we beat Huddersfield and Cardiff then we finish 4th... it's pathetic how much we screwed our season. So many second chances as well, this club let alone team needs a total revamp.
Yep. Role on the Summer/Pre season where we shall start getting an indicator of what to expect.
Anyways know told me how Greenwood, Gomes, Garner played?
Yep. Role on the Summer/Pre season where we shall start getting an indicator of what to expect.
Anyways know told me how Greenwood, Gomes, Garner played?
We have the players to do that. The issue is that they havent done it anywhere near enough. You can't solve everything by moaning about transfers.
This isn't football manager lads. We could buy 6 new players, but if the mentality and conditioning of the whole side doesnt change then it means ****.
The one big plus is that we have a manager who actually coaches. A lot of work to be done. And I suspect plenty of players will be seeing the door
I don't see eye to eye with you in this point. It's irrelevant if we have the players to do that in the first team, since the point being made is about how deep is their squad and about how they made a proper job of building a balanced squad with a lot of competition in each position.
The argument about FM is mistaken. If this was Football Manager, given how much we have spent to build this squad, we would suck at it. Again: this squad is far from being cheap, and the quality doesn't match the amount of money we spent in it.
In the end, this is not an argument about signing 6 more players, tho we sure need it: it's about how clueless we are in the market. We can have any manager in the world, if we keep buying mediocrity for the price of wc quality, it will be a long road back to the top.
I'm not bothered if you dont see eye to eye. The issue isnt squad depth here. The issue is the whole squad simply not playing well enough full stop. Transfers at this point are completely secondary
It doesn't matter if we had the same players as City. If they can't be arsed, then it simply doesn't matter. Whereas, if you can motivate the players, then even an average bunch can romp to the title (and ****, we have seen it with Fergie and his final season - ****, many of his seasons). You need players with the right mentality. That's the majority problem with the players we have - the ones with the right mentality aren't influential enough, and the influential ones are turning out to be toxic.
I do agree with your point, mind, that we need more depth. Not denying that. But we need to fix their mentality first. The reason why Ronaldo and Messi are revered till date whenever they play (beyond the superhuman ability) is the mentality to not give up and try to win each and every single thing. That, is badly missing, and no matter what depth you get, if that isn't fixed, we are royally screwed.
Honestly, what the squad needs now is a swift kick up the ****. And the willingness to enforce the message, no matter who. If Pogba doesn't give a ****, don't play him. Sends a message, which is more important.
Agree! Wouldn’t right off Fred or Dalot yet. But I get what your saying. I actually have faith in Ole to have a complete reset and sort this **** show squad out but as he has stated it won’t be quick! Wouldn’t be surprised if Matic, Lukaku being left out today was transfers related and won’t be seen again!Also, our transfers have been terrible. Since Ferguson left, we have had Fellaini, Mata, di Maria, Shaw, Herrerra, Rojo, Blind, Falcao, Martial, Schneiderlin, Depay, Darmian, Schweini, Pereira, Romero, Pogba, Miki, Bailly, Zlatan, Lukaku, Matic, Lindelof, Sanchez, Fred and Dalot.
Of those, the only ones that worked are Shaw, Mata, Herrera, Pogba, Martial, Romero, Zlatan, Lindelof (Lukaku and Bailly at a stretch, too). Around 8 out of 26 odd transfers. And even those 8 aren't stand out, they're iffy. When you can't name one standout good transfer in the last 5 years, you know you're in trouble and your transfer strategy is ****.
Just going out and buying depth is not enough - we have been buying players, and paying insane amounts of money for them too. We need the players with the right mentality. That is what will take the team forward. Can't say the Glazers don't spend - they have. Our transfer strategy and identification has been woeful (despite the huge number of scouts we apparently have). If that doesn't improve, no amount of depth is going to help us.
Also, our transfers have been terrible. Since Ferguson left, we have had Fellaini, Mata, di Maria, Shaw, Herrerra, Rojo, Blind, Falcao, Martial, Schneiderlin, Depay, Darmian, Schweini, Pereira, Romero, Pogba, Miki, Bailly, Zlatan, Lukaku, Matic, Lindelof, Sanchez, Fred and Dalot.
Of those, the only ones that worked are Shaw, Mata, Herrera, Pogba, Martial, Romero, Zlatan, Lindelof (Lukaku and Bailly at a stretch, too). Around 8 out of 26 odd transfers. And even those 8 aren't stand out, they're iffy. When you can't name one standout good transfer in the last 5 years, you know you're in trouble and your transfer strategy is ****.
Just going out and buying depth is not enough - we have been buying players, and paying insane amounts of money for them too. We need the players with the right mentality. That is what will take the team forward. Can't say the Glazers don't spend - they have. Our transfer strategy and identification has been woeful (despite the huge number of scouts we apparently have). If that doesn't improve, no amount of depth is going to help us.