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[Scouseinthehouse]

This is so revisionist its actually nonsense.

Last season he was created an average of 2.5 chances a game, that's is a lot by anyones standards. The fact that they were not put away by others is not his fault. In fact his no end product was creating more chances a game than anyone else, despite having a poor season. 7 league goals and 7 assists to boot. Imagine what happens when he "does get some end product" eh?

The **** it is.

1 half season out of 3 when he was consistent. The rest of the time he was the most frustrating of players. All pace and little at the end of it. What's insulting is this assertion that Liverpudlians are only now critiquing him as he's no longer here when he's had the angst of the match going crowd for the majority of his career. If non of this hadn't blown up, you wouldn't of found too many that wanted him to start the season ahead of the new additions given his absolutely abysmal campaign last year. However anyone wants to through up stats to try distort that into something it wasn't.

I haven't got a clue how Ibe's career will roll. But Ibe has far more about his game than Sterling ever did. Raheem is all pace and little else to beat his man.

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

Sterling is by no means polished, can work on his decision making, and hes not a natural finisher. He's also 20. The idea that he cannot improve and is not a massive talent is utterly ludicrous. They key is honing that talent, and City will do that, if they pair him with De Bruyne they will be set.

He most certainly can improve. IF he finally starts fully applying himself and not believing in his own hype, The potential is there to be a very good player. He's at a pivotal crossroads in his career.

But he is far from a massive talent to this point on his career as a whole. He's just flashes of potential.

And City have gambled £49 million on that.

 

[Mike.]

The **** it is.

1 half season out of 3 when he was consistent. The rest of the time he was the most frustrating of players. All pace and little at the end of it. What's insulting is this assertion that Liverpudlians are only now critiquing him as he's no longer here when he's had the angst of the match going crowd for the majority of his career. If non of this hadn't blown up, you wouldn't of found too many that wanted him to start the season ahead of the new additions given his absolutely abysmal campaign last year. However anyone wants to through up stats to try distort that into something it wasn't.

I haven't got a clue how Ibe's career will roll. But Ibe has far more about his game than Sterling ever did. Raheem is all pace and little else to beat his man.

You feel it's insulting, yet it's hugely accurate, never better displayed by the Liverpool ex players in the press and Twitter. I was sat in the BT Sport office who called the whole affair "******* embarrassing" and it wasn't Sterling he was referring to.

he's 20, of course he's inconsistent. And you lecture people about modern fans not having the patience. he will have ups and downs, its the nature of hitting your peak. Ibe may have more, he's got a long way to go before he demonstrate he can have the same impact as a player who hasn't even hit his peak yet.

 

[Mike.]

He most certainly can improve. IF he finally starts fully applying himself and not believing in his own hype, The potential is there to be a very good player. He's at a pivotal crossroads in his career.

But he is far from a massive talent to this point on his career as a whole. He's just flashes of potential.

And City have gambled £49 million on that.

he did apply himself, he also fluctuated. Because he's still a very young player. he's not really at a pivotal crossroad either. He'll be learning for the next 3-4 years.

There is more to him than simply flashes of potential. That would be fitting for Joe Gomez.

 

[ImAddicted]

This is so revisionist its actually nonsense.

Last season he was created an average of 2.5 chances a game, that's is a lot by anyones standards. The fact that they were not put away by others is not his fault. In fact his no end product was creating more chances a game than anyone else, despite having a poor season. 7 league goals and 7 assists to boot. Imagine what happens when he "does get some end product" eh?

No doubt with the quality players city has he will only get better.

 

[Mike.]

No doubt with the quality players city has he will only get better.

He's going to be watching David Silva week in and week out. That actually scares me,.

 

[Alcaraz]

It's funny because last season LFC fans were bragging about him being the best young player in Europe. Now they are jumping over themselves to make him out as some average player and somehow Ibe is the real deal despite having achieved zilch in comparison

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

he did apply himself, he also fluctuated. Because he's still a very young player. he's not really at a pivotal crossroad either. He'll be learning for the next 3-4 years.

There is more to him than simply flashes of potential. That would be fitting for Joe Gomez.

There was a lot of times on the training field he didn't to the managers frustration. And for a player who think's 'he's made it and is one of the best in the league already'; he most certainly is at a pivotal crossroads. He either knuckles down and fulfils the potential, which is all it is to this point, he's flashed. Or he stays at the level he is and goes down in the long list of 'what might have been' players. If he didn't have that arrogance than people would be far more understanding of his age. But if you want to act like you're one of the best, you'll get judged accordingly. If you want to take the attitude of a Jordan Ibe that your nowhere near the best, and come in for extra training ahead of everyone else and stay later, people will cut you far more slack.

There's a lot that went down behind the scenes that have been to Raheem's detriment.

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

It's funny because last season LFC fans were bragging about him being the best young player in Europe. Now they are jumping over themselves to make him out as some average player and somehow Ibe is the real deal despite having achieved zilch in comparison

Anyone doing that was feeding the WAY OTT hype surrounding him that has had him believing it.

 

[Mike.]

There was a lot of times on the training field he didn't to the managers frustration. And for a player who think's 'he's made it and is one of the best in the league already'; he most certainly is at a pivotal crossroads. He either knuckles down and fulfils the potential, which is all it is to this point, he's flashed. Or he stays at the level he is and goes down in the long list of 'what might have been' players. If he didn't have that arrogance than people would be far more understanding of his age. But if you want to act like you're one of the best, you'll get judged accordingly. If you want to take the attitude of a Jordan Ibe that your nowhere near the best, and come in for extra training ahead of everyone else and stay later, people will cut you far more slack.

There's a lot that went down behind the scenes that have been to Raheem's detriment.

How dare Sterling believe he can be one of the best? How dare he have the nerve?

Except he doesn't think he's made it. He simply wanted to move to a club than could offer him more on all fronts than Liverpool, and fought hard (and pretty dirty) to get it. And that's his real "sin", deciding to move before Liverpool said he should.

Again, still not pivotal. You don't need to be a Liverpool fan to find out what was happening in the background either.

 

[Alcaraz]

Also how great was it to see West Ham give Reece Oxford a start against Arsenal. Sends a fantastic message out to the WHU academy that if you work hard, Slaven Bilic will give you opportunities to shine. Wish more managers in the league adopted the same attitude

 

[ImAddicted]

I'm 100% sure sterling will learn a lot more at City than he did at Liverpool.

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

How dare Sterling believe he can be one of the best? How dare he have the nerve?

Except he doesn't think he's made it. He simply wanted to move to a club than could offer him more on all fronts than Liverpool, and fought hard (and pretty dirty) to get it. And that's his real "sin", deciding to move before Liverpool said he should.

For a guy that started his rumblings within the club after the WC last summer that he wanted completely out of the North West and a move back home, forgive me for calling utter B/S on him moving for the better chance of silverware.

 

[Mike.]

For a guy that started his rumblings within the club after the WC last summer that he wanted completely out of the North West and a move back home, forgive me for calling utter B/S on him moving for the better chance of silverware.

The rumblings didn't start after the World Cup, they were there 6 months before but were less contentious and really started throughout the summer as Liverpool acquisitions faltered.

Fun fact, when it initially came up it was the notorious Ward who told him to get his head down.

 

[Mike.]

Sterling's move is about timing. And the fact that he was advised Liverpool had a make or break season with 2nd and that summer to capitalise. And blew it. He also expected to be moved from the 35,000k he was on to 50k, which was an absolute no brainer decision to make by the club. It didnt happen. Those factors combined are part of what led to his move.

either way, it's irrelevant to the discussion about his talent. He's a good player with the potential to become a brilliant player, and he's just gone and joined some serious talent, players who can show him a level Liverpool dont have. He's going to be exposed to CL quality players in Europe on a regular level. He's going to be paid well, he's almost certainly going to be challenging more for silverware. And city want him playing regularly

Normally I wouldn't have a clue about the backgrounds of Liverpool, I dont particularly care about that outside of OT. But it's hard to ignore an angry scouse bouncing around the office for a year

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

The rumblings didn't start after the World Cup, they were there 6 months before but were less contentious and really started throughout the summer as Liverpool acquisitions faltered.

Little things had been ongoing but he really made it clear to the hierarchy that he wanted out, on the pretence he wanted to move back South, last summer.

Why we even offered him what we did when he didn't want to be here you'd have to ask the powers that be.

But this was coming off the back of a season he'd gone within 1 game of winning the title. With Champions League football to follow. And we're justifying a kid who's done next to nothing in the game, with all that, not being happy about our acquisitions?

 

[Mike.]

Little things had been ongoing but he really made it clear to the hierarchy that he wanted out, on the pretence he wanted to move back South, last summer.

Why we even offered him what we did when he didn't want to be here you'd have to ask the powers that be.

But this was coming off the back of a season he'd gone within 1 game of winning the title. With Champions League football to follow. And we're justifying a kid who's done next to nothing in the game, with all that, not being happy about our acquisitions?

It's not about a justification. Those are his reasons, you either agree or you dont agree with him, that's the clubs perogative. But that's part of what formed the basis of his increased intention to move.

and considering you bombed out the CL early and arent in the CL, partly because said acquisitions werent good enough, he's kinda been right on that front.

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

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either way, it's irrelevant to the discussion about his talent. He's a good player with the potential to become a brilliant player, and he's just gone and joined some serious talent, players who can show him a level Liverpool dont have. He's going to be exposed to CL quality players in Europe on a regular level. He's going to be paid well, he's almost certainly going to be challenging more for silverware. And city want him playing regularly

He wouldn't of got ANY better manager than Rodgers for someone his age who had the utmost faith in him and continued to play him not just regularly, but every freaking game when he scarcely deserved it the second half of the year in particular. He had Champions League football last year and was completely and utterly non-existent. (Along with the rest of his teammates.).

The bottom line in him wanting out nobody wants to admit so we'll leave it.

He is a good player on his day who has flashed moments of brilliance. But this moments have been few and far between to what he believes he is and the hype that surrounds him. And now more than ever, whether it's right or wrong, he has a £49 million tag on him and a massive pay packet. So the expectation has just jumped immeasurably to expecting FAR more than what he showed again tonight when presented with chances like that. He's now in the category of having to produce. With no developing exceptions.

It's down to him which way his career now goes.

But having had the, at times great pleasure, but more often great frustration, of watching him the last three years; I'd wager his career will wind up in the 'what should of been so much more' category.

But time will out on that.

 

[Mike.]

This category of having to produce with no developing exceptions doesn't exists though. City bought him on the express fact that he is far from finished. They are buying to develop him as much as anything else. Hence Pellegrini's words on his transfer.

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

This category of having to produce with no developing exceptions doesn't exists though. City bought him on the express fact that he is far from finished. They are buying to develop him as much as anything else. Hence Pellegrini's words on his transfer.

We'll see how that fly's with fans, media and more pertinently the Arabs if he isn't consistently producing.

I'm not saying it's right. He is only 20 with very little top level experience in reality. But that's the expectation that comes with the fee.