The Premier League Thread

[ajt09]

I'm seeing a lot of hate toward John Stones. Personally I think it's pretty harsh. Where else can you buy a defender for nearly £50 million and where he can create so many goal scoring chances?

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[Andras99]

Is it too late to say : Welcome to the Premier League Pep?
I don't expect anyone to remember all the **** I say, but I always said Pep is not a world class manager UNLESS he can prove himself in the Premier. I will not rush into this and say : "HA! I told you he's ****!", but he's definitely showing he is not the second coming of Jesus in football like so many have seen him a few years back.

I predicted when he signed for City, his next stop is PSG. Easy league, no opponent, what more can you ask for?
(In case it's a mistery, no, I don't like the man, nor his style)

 

[Legend Incredible]

Is it too late to say : Welcome to the Premier League Pep?
I don't expect anyone to remember all the **** I say, but I always said Pep is not a world class manager UNLESS he can prove himself in the Premier. I will not rush into this and say : "HA! I told you he's ****!", but he's definitely showing he is not the second coming of Jesus in football like so many have seen him a few years back.

I predicted when he signed for City, his next stop is PSG. Easy league, no opponent, what more can you ask for?
(In case it's a mistery, no, I don't like the man, nor his style)

I've maintained the stance that he was overrated since he joined bayern.

The media did make it out to be the 2nd coming of Jesus

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[damola3]

Is it too late to say : Welcome to the Premier League Pep?
I don't expect anyone to remember all the **** I say, but I always said Pep is not a world class manager UNLESS he can prove himself in the Premier. I will not rush into this and say : "HA! I told you he's ****!", but he's definitely showing he is not the second coming of Jesus in football like so many have seen him a few years back.

I predicted when he signed for City, his next stop is PSG. Easy league, no opponent, what more can you ask for?
(In case it's a mistery, no, I don't like the man, nor his style)

Are you serious? This is a knee-jerk reaction. The guy has nothing to prove. Guardiola has improved both Barcelona and Bayern Munich playing some of the best football you'll ever see.

I've maintained the stance that he was overrated since he joined bayern.

The media did make it out to be the 2nd coming of Jesus

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[Legend Incredible]

Are you serious? This is a knee-jerk reaction. The guy has nothing to prove. Guardiola has improved both Barcelona and Bayern Munich playing some of the best football you'll ever see.

How do you improve a team fresh from a treble?

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[ninjaskill]

How do you improve a team fresh from a treble?

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A hard claim to say he improved a side that won the treble when he never won the treble himself

 

[zzeezzy]

Are you serious? This is a knee-jerk reaction. The guy has nothing to prove. Guardiola has improved both Barcelona and Bayern Munich playing some of the best football you'll ever see.

Everytime you say this and it isn't even true. He went to Bayern and they were Champions League winners. He never managed to win the CL with them. The style he played with Bayern wasn't anything great, it was just doable with the players he had there as they have such a talented squad.

Now he has a City squad that isn't nowhere near as good he is being exposed for what he is, just look at how many mistakes that defence has made from trying to play out from the back alone. A great manager would work with what he has and play to the style that fits them. This is why I think Mourinho is a better manager, he can play different styles of football to fit the team. With Pep he always tries to play this way and with City I don't think it will work in this league.

This is his toughest job by a mile and he's starting to struggle. Any decent manager can win with Barca, just look at Enrique treble in first season. Anyway, this is his biggest test and he obviously didn't hardly do any research on Leicester as he played right into their hands. Leicester are pretty much just a plan A team, if you allow them to do that they will win.

 

[epic terrorist]

I love this Pep revisionist bullshit

 

[Theatre of dreams]

Can't for the life of me understand why Chelsea are playing Matic and Kante at home to WBA. Who are just gonna sit back and just try hitting Rondon all day. Easy to see why there struggling to break them down.

 

[zzeezzy]

I love this Pep revisionist bullshit

It's really not though, he has inherited two of the most successful to grace world football in Bayern and Barca. With City this is his first real test, doesn't matter how you look at it.

 

[Andras99]

Are you serious? This is a knee-jerk reaction. The guy has nothing to prove. Guardiola has improved both Barcelona and Bayern Munich playing some of the best football you'll ever see.

A Barcelona team that was built by Ryjkaard that bored you to death (let's just pass the ball till the opponent falls asleep, great football indeed), and a Bayern that was tearing everything apart already under Heynckes. He is a very good manager, but he inherited in both cases some top teams.

 

[epic terrorist]

So basically we are saying here that anyone could win the Bundesliga and Heynckes is underated becuase he won the treble???

So hang on a minute, Heynckes won fuckall in his first season at Bayern in that spell, runners up in the league, cup and European Cup, oh but anyone can win the bundesliga its easy.

we underate Heynckes and should be given more credit becuase he then went on to win a treble? Pep ripped up Barcelona team got rid of the bad eggs started again,promoted youth players who had been playing the third tier of spanish football. Goes on to win a treble with Barceloan TWICE in what is ultimately a tougher domestic league to win in the Bundesliga also creating the best club side we have ever seen and likely to see in not just mine but many peoples opinion but he aint all that?

#FMBase logic in a nutshell, done with this convo now its boring, like Mike said its somekind of snobbery you lot can carry on

And yet Rijkaard the season before failed hard, the barceloan fans were waving the qhite flag at matches in protest that season because things had unravelled so much. Lets stop pretending that top level management is easy if that was the case Chelseas title winning side wouldn't have finished tenth last season, or Moyes would have won the league again following on from Fergie.

also from the players you mentioned going off memory

Thuram was 35+ and retired
Deco went to chelsea
ronaldinho to Milan
Xavi was on the verge of leaving
iniesta and messi wasn't the world class players they went on to become
Busquets was promoted from the B side and pep had coached him well but was largely unproven as that barca b side was in the third division
Pique again largely unproven

So its not like he walked into a brilliant all encompassing team which he guided the next season to a treble I think it was (League, cup and UCL)

A Barcelona team that was built by Ryjkaard that bored you to death (let's just pass the ball till the opponent falls asleep, great football indeed), and a Bayern that was tearing everything apart already under Heynckes. He is a very good manager, but he inherited in both cases some top teams.

It really wasn't created by Rijkaard at all not even one bit that sode was in such a mess and dysfunctional it was unreal this is what I mean by revisionism, also for everyone else because i hate repeating myself I'll just pull up these quotes and you can find the relevant bits.

He was always going to find it harder in the Prem because of the competitive nature of the league, he's adjusting and he'll get there eventually.

 

[Andras99]

It really wasn't created by Rijkaard
..............
he'll get there eventually.

Ok, I may have exaggerated a bit related to Barcelona, but in the case of Bayern, **** no. He didn't do **** to that team in any way, that made it batter than under Heynckes.I am by no means a Bayern fan, but that team under Heynckes was an absolute joy to watch. Two consecutive Champions League finals, (still amazed by how we beat them to it a year before they won it), and dethroned a very solid Dortmund at the time.

I will give him credit for Barcelona. Even though I absolutely hated that tiki-taka bullcrap.
Bayern: when **** freezes over.
City: we'll see. Not looking that great, but he is just starting.

Also, if you are up for a challenge: who do you pick, when you know both are in for you, City or United? (I have nothing against any of the two, just a put yourself in his shoes question)

 

[epic terrorist]

Ok, I may have exaggerated a bit related to Barcelona, but in the case of Bayern, **** no. He didn't do **** to that team in any way, that made it batter than under Heynckes.I am by no means a Bayern fan, but that team under Heynckes was an absolute joy to watch. Two consecutive Champions League finals, (still amazed by how we beat them to it a year before they won it), and dethroned a very solid Dortmund at the time.

I will give him credit for Barcelona. Even though I absolutely hated that tiki-taka bullcrap.
Bayern: when **** freezes over.
City: we'll see. Not looking that great, but he is just starting.

Also, if you are up for a challenge: who do you pick, when you know both are in for you, City or United? (I have nothing against any of the two, just a put yourself in his shoes question)

Its a hard one, putting my club allegiance aside I'd have gone for United. They have such a rich history and its rebuilding job which is proving collasal. Nothing against City just if I was him it would have been United, they have everything you could want, plus it would be a chance to measure yourself against one of the all time great managers in Fergie.

 

[Andras99]

Its a hard one, putting my club allegiance aside I'd have gone for United. They have such a rich history and its rebuilding job which is proving collasal. Nothing against City just if I was him it would have been United, they have everything you could want, plus it would be a chance to measure yourself against one of the all time great managers in Fergie.

This, and only this is my beef with him. He always seems to be taking the easy way out. I would have picked United without even second guessing it. City is a good team, that requires a little refining. United, now that's a task for a great manager.

 

[Legend Incredible]

Wilfred Zaha is the epl's most improved player this season.

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[Tyton]

Eh. Pep did a decent job with Barca, but can we please stop with the nonsense about how he build a great team out of nowhere. Yes, Barca was a mess when he arrived, but Spain wasn't, they've just won the Euro under Louis Aragones, with Barca players playing key roles. Pep mostly took that lineup and formation, added Messi and replaced some deadwood with new recruits.

Also, to say that Pep improved Bayern is preposterous. In Heynckes final season, Bayern were the most dominating team I've seen since Sacchi's Milan. The footage of their CL run is probably on PornHub under rough buttsecks category. Then Pep comes along, and not only he won nothing of substance, he was completely outplayed and outsmarted in all his european campaigns.

And yeah, one does have to wonder just how much manager matters in these superteams. Louis Enrique was ****, then he comes to Barca and wins CL in his first year. Zidane and Guardiola win CL in the first season of their first job. Maybe all these people were undiscovered geniuses. Or maybe you just have to be half-decent manager and preferably be a former player, a club legend. That way trigger happy boards and fickle fans will give you more time, and self-important overpaid superstar players will respect you.

Just look what happened to Benitez. He comes to Real and he was dead man walking since he arrived. Then Zidane takes over, he basically plays the same formation, makes the same squad choices and suddenly he's another superstar manager in the making.

 

[Theatre of dreams]

Duncan Castles
✔@DuncanCastles

Mourinho's Man United record:

25 matches
14 W
6 D
5 L
+19 gd

Guardiola's Man City record:

25 matches
14 W
6 D
5 L
+21 gd#MUFC #MCFC
4:12 PM - 11 Dec 2016

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

This, and only this is my beef with him. He always seems to be taking the easy way out. I would have picked United without even second guessing it. City is a good team, that requires a little refining. United, now that's a task for a great manager.

Blame Utd. Not Pep.

If they hadn't completely bungled their coaching search, allied to the complete arrogance of Woodward thinking Guardiola would just take the job as it's Manchester United when they did finally make a move on van Gaal, as opposed to City putting in the hard work and toeing him for the previous 3 years; he may well of ended up there.

Instead, rightly or wrongly, he's the side of Manchester he was wanted.

 

[epic terrorist]

Seeing the champions league draw makes me sad, nothing better than a European away something I'm not sure I'll ever experience again.