What I mean is that you sold him for what? £6M if that. Now Ferdinand is injury prone, Evans isn't very good and you're left with Vidic and Smalling (both very good) for most of the season and having to buy back-up. More true with Rossi tbh but saying that you've got one great player now means you were right to let another great player go doesn't really pass with me.. Utd clearly didn't recognize their potential.
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What I mean is that you sold him for what? £6M if that. Now Ferdinand is injury prone, Evans isn't very good and you're left with Vidic and Smalling (both very good) for most of the season and having to buy back-up. More true with Rossi tbh but saying that you've got one great player now means you were right to let another great player go doesn't really pass with me.. Utd clearly didn't recognize their potential.
According to French press Newcastle have made a €10m offer for Gameiro, despite him preferring a move to Valencia, who won't budge from their €6m offer.
The article (google translated)
The article (google translated)
When fit there are hardly any better than Rio. Classy defender. Shame that Rio is getting injured very often..
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Theres a few players over the past couple of years Utd have let go and they have gone and proven their quality elsewhere, Forlan, Pique to name a few. Agreed that we could have kept him as back-up but he wanted to go back to Barcelona so we let him although £6mil looks a steal now lol
Evans is very good. He had one bad season before that he had 2 good ones.
United did see their potential. So only we tried to convince them but failed as we were not able to provide them first team football.
Rio, Vida were absolutely amazing and Evans was superb with Sunderland. Pique wanted to return to Barca.Pique harldy was proven to command higher fee. 6 Million was criminal though. Should have got bit more..
Rossi was same like Pique. Needed first team football. We had Rooney, Tevez, so he didn't get games. Before that we had Saha, Rooney, Ole.
Wiki says 2005-07. Pretty sure that's 2 years and as I said, he didn't get a chance at Utd because one of those years was spent out on loan at Newcastle and then Parma. Pique wanted to move, but like we can with Fabregas, you could have got significantly more money for him - Utd didn't recognize his full potential.
It's clearly not a fact. Neither came from your academy, and although Pique spent 4 years there, Rossi spent 2 and then moved on and neither were given a chance because Utd didn't think either of them would make it. Look at them now - that isn't entirely down to Utd at all. You don't even know if Rossi will get a chance at Barca or whether he'll be any good there. We can speculate, sure, but we don't know that for a fact. Villa, the highly-rated Pedro, Messi, etc. -> As has already been said, Barcelona have plenty of good strikers so why would Rossi be guaranteed a chance?
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But if Utd saw how good they would be, then they would certainly have given them a chance over an ageing Ole, injury-prone Saha and expensive Tevez in Rossi's case and would have commanded a higher fee for Pique. Evans has shown this season that he's not quick enough, and not consistent enough. He was good last season, poor this. That doesn't make him a "very good player", it makes him an inconsistent one and one that hasn't got better.
Sigh, Joss with Pique we did recognise he was a very good it but we couldnt guarantee first team football, and we would not have got significantly more money at the time. To say pique wasnt given a chance is just wrong
anyway back to the transfers....
Sheffield Wednesday targets ;
david prutton, free, 2 year deal
jason koumas, free, 2 year deal
adam le fondre, 300k + heffernan, 4 year deal
rob jones, 100k + reynolds, 2 year deal
alan gow, free, 3 year deal
michael mcindoe, free, 2 year deal
david prutton, free, 2 year deal
jason koumas, free, 2 year deal
adam le fondre, 300k + heffernan, 4 year deal
rob jones, 100k + reynolds, 2 year deal
alan gow, free, 3 year deal
michael mcindoe, free, 2 year deal
I'm just saying that if you recognized his FULL potential, he would obviously command a higher fee than what was paid. I'm not saying you would have got what he's worth now, and I know he wanted to go back. Pique was given a chance, I already admitted his ability now is largely down to Utd - I just think they could have got more for him but that's moot.
My main point was that Rossi wasn't made by Utd. He spent 2 years there and didn't get a chance over other players who had problems and didn't go for very much money - silly of Utd to let him go IMHO and Sunlivk claiming fact over these things is simply rubbish.
EDIT: Bad wording with Pique by me in Mike's referenced post.
The same Wiki has a youth career details which shows ManUtd 2004-06. Which means he spent 2 years with our youth team.
Yes, they didn't get chances as they were not ready for first team football. Yes it is partly our mistake. I wont blame our staff for this. You can hardly blame them when players want to leave as they are not first team regulars.
Saha was one of our best player in first half of 2006-07. He was superb player. Then had his worst injury spell.
When we signed Tevez was not expensive. We signed him on loan with a option to make it permanent. It all got ****** up by his greedy agent.
You wont get higher fee for a unproven player irrespective of potential.
Regarding Evans, Every player will suffer dip in form and Evans had one. He is young player and plenty of time to improve. I dont know how you defend Walcott (Or half of Arsenal team with age excuse) and write off (Or rather say not good player) Evans..
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Or you not able to use Wiki properly and using wrong info is rubbish??
This was my first post.
I dont know why Joss got offended(Or need to argue) for this. They did learn their trade at United. I didnt way we made them the players they are now.
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A dip in form doesn't generally last a whole season to be fair. I've defended Walcott on the basis of his record this season and that I think he's improved as a player whereas Evans has gone backwards on the back of this season. Anyway, this is all rather irrelevant so that's it from me.
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thought this was transfer rumour thread not past transfer discussion thread
Jesus. Get over yourself, mate - Mike. just said to get back to transfers, which is what I was doing. Well done - I didn't see something on his wiki page that showed he was at Utd as a youngster. Go open a bottle of champas mate, you've successfully shown someone something on an internet forum. I maintain he wasn't "made" by Utd, though. That's it from me - have the last word if you will.
Err, First Rossi spent only 2 years at United, so he was not made by United.
Now Rossi spent 3 years at United (2 years at Youth level) still not made by Unted.
I didnt even claim that we made them in the first place. All i said was they learned their trade at United, that had nothing to do with who made them the quality player that they are..
Better to get facts right before saying someone's post is rubbish..
Got this from Guillem Balague (Sky Sports pundit). He is usually very reliable and a lot of things he says usually do actually happen. Anyway on his twitter it says that De Gea hopes Atletico will confirm an agreement with Manchester United so he can then decide on his future. However Manchester United are getting restless and want De Gea to show his plans soon, or else they will look somewhere different.
Guillem Balague has also indicated on Sky Sports that Kun Aguero's (Atletico Madrid) representatives have started listening to negotiations. Balague also thinks that Real Madrid and Juventus are the only clubs who would be willing to bid his buyout clause as well. Guillem Balague also thinks that the only team he can see Aguero at in the premier league is Manchester City but still thinks that he will most likely go to Juventus or Real Madrid.
Guillem Balague has also indicated on Sky Sports that Kun Aguero's (Atletico Madrid) representatives have started listening to negotiations. Balague also thinks that Real Madrid and Juventus are the only clubs who would be willing to bid his buyout clause as well. Guillem Balague also thinks that the only team he can see Aguero at in the premier league is Manchester City but still thinks that he will most likely go to Juventus or Real Madrid.
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The Metro are claiming that Sturridge is "to opt for Newcastle transfer despite Spurs interest", however the article has been pulled. May be intended for tomorrow or just retracting it altogether.
Managed to find two segments of it, unfortunately google hasn't cached it.
Managed to find two segments of it, unfortunately google hasn't cached it.
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Hmm bit strange seeming Sturridge has been saying he can't wait for next season to try and break in to the Chelsea team. However if he doesn't get in the team next year he said he'll want to look elsewhere.
Man United Certain to Complete £17m Signing, Liverpool Target Top Notch Playmaker, Arsenal Place £60m Price On Fabregas, Stoke City to Bid £9m for West Ham Striker, Sunderland Want Aston Villa Star and Tottenham Defender Wants to Leave White Hart Lan
Lots of... I find it interesting
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Yea, best thing i've ever read. I would love to see this happen ^^)
Liverpool Close In On Supremely Talented But Flawed £9m Brazilian Playmaker | CaughtOffside
It's CaughtOffside, ewww
thought this was transfer rumour thread not past transfer discussion thread
It's a "branch off to other discussion subjects thread".
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