Weed

[GodCubed]

But surely the criminals won't let their business die down, I mean that'd mean they'd have to work with like, society! I just can't imagine legalising weed being a solution to less crime, just a re-distribution of where the crime is. If they make less money from weed, they may well just choose to exploit other areas of crime i.e Loan sharks, prostitution etc. If you think of a regular business, say a dairy farmer, if they have less demand for milk, will they just stand to lose their profit or re-distribute their resource to cheese? I have no statistics to back myself up on this, just makes sense in my head.

I'm also not saying I'm necessarily against legalisation, since Chaz made some sound arguments against me in the other thread so now I'm not sure, but I don't use nor plan on using it, so it has little effect anyway.

Fair point you're making, but if that was the case there'd be no point trying to stop any single crime, because surely they'd just move on to another one? No point trying to stop rapists, they'll move on to money laundering! Whilst I'm exaggerating slightly, you can see my point: no two crimes are necessarily homogenous. Loan sharking is a completely different ball game to dealing in drugs. For starters, you need at least a rudimentary knowledge of your and everyone else's legal rights. Dealers would stay dealing because it's the only thing they know how to do: they're not well educated, they probably don't have a job (generalising slightly, yes, but mostly true too) and they'd find it a struggle to move onto another crime.

If I was being a ****, I could say the money being raised from the taxing of weed could be put into the police force to combat crime. I'm feeling like a **** today, so you could do just that.

Also, I give you the Dutch, ladies and gentlemen. They've managed to deal with it pretty **** well.

 

[curtis290]

Out of curiosity what's with all of the negative responses? I mean if you don't smoke it, why come to the thread and be like "WEED IS EVIL!!!!" Is Britain particularly anti-marijuana? I've never been there and am unfamiliar with their cannabis culture. But it could be because the average poster age is really young.

For those of you that do smoke, every time you do count your lucky stars that you can. Because in some countries in the world it's absolutely impossible to get.

 

[ajt09]

You guys all know, that cigarettes and alcohol are 10x worse than weed. Its just because weed is illegal that everyone feels so negatively about it.

I don't feel negative about it cause its illegal. Just when I tried it years back I felt physically sick, the room span round and I felt absolutely awful. Thats why I never smoked it-had 2 draws and that was enough for me to make my mind up. Like i said before though, peoples choice. Just dont smoke it around me and my family.

 

[Clarky.]

Alot of people saying you can go to prison for it! Which is true, but alot of my close mates smoke it every weekend, and nearly all of them have been caught by the police with it on them. All they got was a warning. You get two warnings before your even put to a trial.

I have tried it before, and some people saying its really addictive , its not. You only gain a mental addiction to smoking it and if not its the tobbacco which goes with the joint.

Im not a huge fan of it but understand why people take it, alot of my freinds are genrally nicer when high and even when not. All i'd say its a bit of waste of money to do it every weekend. Special Occasions are fine IMO.

 

[ajt09]

Out of curiosity what's with all of the negative responses? I mean if you don't smoke it, why come to the thread and be like "WEED IS EVIL!!!!" Is Britain particularly anti-marijuana? I've never been there and am unfamiliar with their cannabis culture. But it could be because the average poster age is really young.

For those of you that do smoke, every time you do count your lucky stars that you can. Because in some countries in the world it's absolutely impossible to get.

Because it's freedom of speech, right to voice an opinion. But both sides make intelligent points so......

 

[Joel`]

You guys all know, that cigarettes and alcohol are 10x worse than weed. Its just because weed is illegal that everyone feels so negatively about it.

Why should we legalise Weed just because cigarettes and alcohol are legal? Two wrongs don't make a right. Cigarettes and alcohol have negative externalities, doesn't mean we should allow weed because it's slightly better than those, It's not possible to de-legalise something like alcohol that has been in our society so long (See prohibition), doesn't mean we should just allow weed in too.

Kitchen knives can be used to kill people too, probably more than guns do. Does that mean we should legalise guns too?

 

[Deleted member 79730]

I don't feel negative about it cause its illegal. Just when I tried it years back I felt physically sick, the room span round and I felt absolutely awful. Thats why I never smoked it-had 2 draws and that was enough for me to make my mind up. Like i said before though, peoples choice. Just dont smoke it around me and my family.

Im not just talking about that. People come in here like "Weed is the worst thing ever, youre a loser if you do it" but they dont realise that its not as bad as cigarettes and alcohol. I have never heard of anyone dying from weed, but i personally know people who have died from alcohol in the long term and straight away. This is also coming from someone who would never touch weed.

 

[frederickooo]

I tried it years back I felt physically sick, the room span round and I felt absolutely awful. Thats why I never smoked it-had 2 draws and that was enough for me to make my mind up.

Lightweight.
but seriously doesnt mean its bad just cuz you cant handle it

 

[Deleted member 79730]

Why should we legalise Weed just because cigarettes and alcohol are legal? Two wrongs don't make a right. Cigarettes and alcohol have negative externalities, doesn't mean we should allow weed because it's slightly better than those, It's not possible to de-legalise something like alcohol that has been in our society so long (See prohibition), doesn't mean we should just allow weed in too.

Kitchen knives can be used to kill people too, probably more than guns do. Does that mean we should legalise guns too?

When did i ever say we should legalise it? people just think because its illegal that its terrible and worse than everything else. People dont look at facts.

 

[khemo]

And that might be why I feel so positive about it, as it is legal here. And never do I hear stuff in the news about people dying from weed, people killing others while under the influence of weed or anything about weed actually.

EDIT: To GodCubed underneath me, hail the Dutch indeed

it's because you can't do **** under the influence of weed,you're to slow <)

 

[Jak]

Lightweight.
but seriously doesnt mean its bad just cuz you cant handle it

he's not saying it's bad he's just saying he doesn't like it. He has said in previous posts that it's up to individual opinion

 

[beng1250]

Fully against weed, in any quantity or use in any situation whether stressed/bored etc but i really am struggling to find a reason as to why its worse than alcohol and cigarettes (except the fact you have more chance of future mental illness)

I can't see why anyone would want to **** there life and money away by over-use of this substance though, in my opinion weed is a bigger problem in youth than alcohol because its seen as illegal and people think its 'cool' to use it in excess...when really there just lowlifes.

 

[Deleted member 79730]

Fully against weed, in any quantity or use in any situation whether stressed/bored etc but i really am struggling to find a reason as to why its worse than alcohol and cigarettes (except the fact you have more chance of future mental illness)

I can't see why anyone would want to **** there life and money away by over-use of this substance though, in my opinion weed is a bigger problem in youth than alcohol because its seen as illegal and people think its 'cool' to use it in excess...when really there just lowlifes.

Its near impossible to die from a weed overdose. But alcohol on the other hand....

 

[Joel`]

Fair point you're making, but if that was the case there'd be no point trying to stop any single crime, because surely they'd just move on to another one? No point trying to stop rapists, they'll move on to money laundering! Whilst I'm exaggerating slightly, you can see my point: no two crimes are necessarily homogenous. Loan sharking is a completely different ball game to dealing in drugs. For starters, you need at least a rudimentary knowledge of your and everyone else's legal rights. Dealers would stay dealing because it's the only thing they know how to do: they're not well educated, they probably don't have a job (generalising slightly, yes, but mostly true too) and they'd find it a struggle to move onto another crime.

If I was being a ****, I could say the money being raised from the taxing of weed could be put into the police force to combat crime. I'm feeling like a **** today, so you could do just that.

Also, I give you the Dutch, ladies and gentlemen. They've managed to deal with it pretty **** well.

Yes, but I doubt rapists are in the business of money laundering though. It's why I used an example of milk to cheese, they already have the resources available, they're just moving resources from one area of production to another. And I don't think we're talking about your average street corner dealer, more the mass underground operations that occur. I highly doubt it takes much training or talent/skill to move into other areas of crime, I mean, how hard can it be to intimidate people into paying you large sums of interest to you, or to get girls to ***** themselves out for you?

If I was being a ****, I could say the money raised from the taxing of weed would be put into the NHS to cope with the increased usage, with the increased amount of rehabilitation units and mental health wards needed, and then more money needs to be paid into the police to help combat increased anti-social behaviour from people high. Representing a huge opportunity cost for the police and NHS, and a loss in specialisation in far more important areas of their respective units. And then I could question the amount of tax revenue that would be created, considering there is already a market established for weed, and the cost of taxed weed would be far higher than the equilibrium black market price. Hey, guess I felt like being a **** today.

Also, I have a ton more faith in the dutch being sensible with weed than our society.

 

[GodCubed]

Its near impossible to die from a weed overdose. But alcohol on the other hand....

Rubbish. Completely possible to die from a weed overdose.

Also, your sig needs changing.

EDIT: Played Joel. I'll find some time to reply to that at some point.

 

[beng1250]

Its near impossible to die from a weed overdose. But alcohol on the other hand....

I challenge you to pick out a point in my post where i claim a person can die from a weed overdose ?

 

[Bouwzie]

Also, why does everybody always **** on weed, but they don't care about hash? It's both legal here and nobody cares about it either, but still.

 

[Joel`]

Rubbish. Completely possible to die from a weed overdose.

Also, your sig needs changing.

EDIT: Played Joel. I'll find some time to reply to that at some point.

Will reply back if/when I can. Got an exam tomorrow, got to do some work.

 

[curtis290]

Because it's freedom of speech, right to voice an opinion. But both sides make intelligent points so......

Obviously, but I'm curious as to why so many people on the thread are so passionately against it...if you don't like it, whatever, don't do it, but no reason to get mad at others for enjoying it. It would be like if I want on to the FM general discussion forum and made a bunch of posts saying how bad computer games are and how they waste your time and how they're addicting, etc.

Anyways, what I was more curious about was the number of negative responses as well as the passion...I have this perception that Europeans are really liberal with this kind of thing, but from what it looks like, Britain isn't. Even in the States most people have come around and don't really care too much whether it's legal or not (a recent Gallup poll showed that 80% of Americans thought it should be legal for medical purposes, and 48% thought it should be legal in general).

So I'm just curious as to what Britain's attitude is on the subject...but from what it sounds like, you guys are more conservative than Americans, which is a bit of a shock to me. Kind of a contradiction, Andy Gray makes a sexist remark off-air and should be crucified for it yet if I want to do something in the privacy of my own home the same people are up in arms about it. Not a criticism of the anti-weed people here, to each his own, I was just curious about what Britain's attitude is on it, and am surprised at what I'm seeing.

 

[ajt09]

Obviously, but I'm curious as to why so many people on the thread are so passionately against it...if you don't like it, whatever, don't do it, but no reason to get mad at others for enjoying it. It would be like if I want on to the FM general discussion forum and made a bunch of posts saying how bad computer games are and how they waste your time and how they're addicting, etc.

Anyways, what I was more curious about was the number of negative responses as well as the passion...I have this perception that Europeans are really liberal with this kind of thing, but from what it looks like, Britain isn't. Even in the States most people have come around and don't really care too much whether it's legal or not (a recent Gallup poll showed that 80% of Americans thought it should be legal for medical purposes, and 48% thought it should be legal in general).

So I'm just curious as to what Britain's attitude is on the subject...but from what it sounds like, you guys are more conservative than Americans, which is a bit of a shock to me. Kind of a contradiction, Andy Gray makes a sexist remark off-air and should be crucified for it yet if I want to do something in the privacy of my own home the same people are up in arms about it. Not a criticism of the anti-weed people here, to each his own, I was just curious about what Britain's attitude is on it, and am surprised at what I'm seeing.

To be honest, when it comes to the legalising part, I'm in two minds. Obviously, what happened to my brother made firmly anti-drug, but at the same time I can see the benefits in medicinal uses. People can be against it for so many reasons, it would be impossible to list them all. But if it was to be legalised, it could potentially open a can of worms of major proportions.