Wenger named best manager of the decade

[Jemstar]

1.. why didn't fergie win???
2.. why is fabio capello 4th???

coz capello wins a title at every club hes at

 

[HibernianBoy]

As a Gunner I am pleasantly surprised to hear this. Clearly the voting team consisted of those who see the devolopment of youth more important. Also for everybody saying this is a load of rubbish, please remember over the past 10 years this panel have voted, each manager being awarded seperate points, obviously Wenger has been the most consistent, still baffled as I would rate both Ferguson and Mourinho above Wenger. Interesting to see who will feature next year, I have a feeling that, if he stays in the game Mr Mourino may very well want to add this to his list of honours.

 

[Raphael.]

As a Gunner I am pleasantly surprised to hear this. Clearly the voting team consisted of those who see the devolopment of youth more important. Also for everybody saying this is a load of rubbish, please remember over the past 10 years this panel have voted, each manager being awarded seperate points, obviously Wenger has been the most consistent, still baffled as I would rate both Ferguson and Mourinho above Wenger. Interesting to see who will feature next year, I have a feeling that, if he stays in the game Mr Mourino may very well want to add this to his list of honours.

If we go on youth is SAF not in there with a shout too?

 

[Frank]

Not true, this is probably the first season where has put up a realistic title challenge since Chelsea & United started to increase their expenditure.

We were top numerous times last year, and definatley in the race.

 

[Alcaraz]

We were top numerous times last year, and definatley in the race.

you guys would have won it last season had it not been Fabregas's horrific injury and RVP's loss of form

 

[Billy]

Tottenham would have won the title if our strikers scored over 40 goals each and we conceded less than 10.

See what I did there?

 

[CtPauley]

you guys would have won it last season had it not been Fabregas's horrific injury and RVP's loss of form

Man Utd would have won the league if we didn't sell Ronaldo, if Tevez didn't reject us and if Rooney didn't get injured. **** Happens.

 

[pistolped7]

But whose fault is it that they don't have experience and strong players?
Hmmmmm........ I think Arsene, he could of bought a decent player instead of Squicallci, no?

And so what if they play better football, it's like saying Millwall play beautiful football so Kenny Jackett should of won the award....
You're logical is, well, sorry to be blunt but awful.

You have shot yourself in the foot there no? If Arsene has put this squad together, why is it not his fault that they are inexperienced?
And also, people are saying its due to an inexperience squad, did Sir Alex not win a title with an inexperienced squad no?
Also I would hardly call Arsenals squad highly inexperienced e.g Fabregas, Arshavin, Nasri, RVP, Chamack, Clichy.......

No, it's not Arsene's fault. I've said too many times already that the inexperience is something that comes with buying young players. It's nothing like saying that. My logic is fine, as it's my opinion. I personally prefer nice football like Arsenal's to your team's.

Er...point out where I've shot myself in the foot. Arsenal's squad is inexperienced in EPL terms. And no, when have Man Utd ever had a side as inexperienced as Arsenal's this year? They've always spent cash to bring in players who know how to win leagues. Arsenal bring in players from lower level teams and nurture them into top-class players. This is another reason I prefer Arsene to Alex.

 

[Raphael.]

No, it's not Arsene's fault. I've said too many times already that the inexperience is something that comes with buying young players. It's nothing like saying that. My logic is fine, as it's my opinion. I personally prefer nice football like Arsenal's to your team's.

Er...point out where I've shot myself in the foot. Arsenal's squad is inexperienced in EPL terms. And no, when have Man Utd ever had a side as inexperienced as Arsenal's this year? They've always spent cash to bring in players who know how to win leagues. Arsenal bring in players from lower level teams and nurture them into top-class players. This is another reason I prefer Arsene to Alex.

You say inexperience is something that comes with buying young players..Who bought the young players......? ARSENE, so he bought the youth, and he bought the inexperience.

Nice football only works if you can use it to win like Barca, Arsenal cant win with it though.
Also it's not that Man U play awful football is it..?

And Man U have played an inexperienced squad, an even more inexperienced one. It wasn't in the last decade but Fergie's Fledgings and then teams like Arsenal was spending big money.

And you shot your self in the foot here "I know Wenger put this squad together, but it isn't his fault that they are too inexperienced", that is an exact quote. If the manager put together a squad is it not his fault if it is inexperienced?

 

[HibernianBoy]

If we go on youth is SAF not in there with a shout too?

yup, meant to include that in my post but forgot, like i said SAF definately deserves it over Wenger, id have to say Arsenal's invincible season must've been the decider, although i believe Man Utd certainly seem like equalling that feat, hope not though >.<

 

[pistolped7]

You say inexperience is something that comes with buying young players..Who bought the young players......? ARSENE, so he bought the youth, and he bought the inexperience.

Nice football only works if you can use it to win like Barca, Arsenal cant win with it though.
Also it's not that Man U play awful football is it..?

And Man U have played an inexperienced squad, an even more inexperienced one. It wasn't in the last decade but Fergie's Fledgings and then teams like Arsenal was spending big money.

And you shot your self in the foot here "I know Wenger put this squad together, but it isn't his fault that they are too inexperienced", that is an exact quote. If the manager put together a squad is it not his fault if it is inexperienced?

Yes, I'm aware Arsene bought them, and he knew full well they are inexperienced. However, he has a knack of getting inexperienced players and making them superstars (a la Fabregas, RVP, Walcott).

Nice football is nice football, to me, I don't care who has won what title, I care if they play good football. This is why I was never as keen on Martin O'Neill when he was Celtic boss: he won titles, yes, but played a long-ball game. I didn't like that.

Man Utd don't have a more inexperienced squad. Van Der Sar, Rio, Vidic, Evra, Nani, Giggs, Scholes, Berba, Rooney and Fletcher are inexperienced then?

That isn't shooting myself in the foot. Inexperience isn't something that blame is given out for. It's not a failure, but an obstacle.

 

[Raphael.]

Yes, I'm aware Arsene bought them, and he knew full well they are inexperienced. However, he has a knack of getting inexperienced players and making them superstars (a la Fabregas, RVP, Walcott).

Nice football is nice football, to me, I don't care who has won what title, I care if they play good football. This is why I was never as keen on Martin O'Neill when he was Celtic boss: he won titles, yes, but played a long-ball game. I didn't like that.

Man Utd don't have a more inexperienced squad. Van Der Sar, Rio, Vidic, Evra, Nani, Giggs, Scholes, Berba, Rooney and Fletcher are inexperienced then?


That isn't shooting myself in the foot. Inexperience isn't something that blame is given out for. It's not a failure, but an obstacle.

I never said this squad was inexperience, please read my post properly. I said past sqauds likr the 1996 squad I think with players like Beckham, Neville and what not was highly inexperienced but they managed to win.

Also I never said inexperience wasn't an obstacle, you said "I know Wenger put this squad together, but it isn't his fault that they are too inexperienced", I said you have shot yourself in the foot as it is his fault as the squad is inexperienced but the manager bought it so it is his fault.

Also SAF isn't too bad with youngsters either, and it's only since about 2006 really that Wenger has started nurturing the youth, previous season he had just bought players.

 

[pistolped7]

I never said this squad was inexperience, please read my post properly. I said past sqauds likr the 1996 squad I think with players like Beckham, Neville and what not was highly inexperienced but they managed to win.

Also I never said inexperience wasn't an obstacle, you said "I know Wenger put this squad together, but it isn't his fault that they are too inexperienced", I said you have shot yourself in the foot as it is his fault as the squad is inexperienced but the manager bought it so it is his fault.

Also SAF isn't too bad with youngsters either, and it's only since about 2006 that he has started nurturing the youth, previous season he had just bought players.

Yes, but it's for this decade. Please read the OP properly.

No I haven't, as it is no-ones fault. Blame isn't something that should be given out for that, because it isn't failure, it's choice. Please read my post properly.

Yes, but he has done incredibly well in that respect. And that isn't true, he didn't just buy players. And anyway, I said he buys youth and nurtures them into superstars.

 

[Raphael.]

Yes, but it's for this decade. Please read the OP properly.

No I haven't, as it is no-ones fault. Blame isn't something that should be given out for that, because it isn't failure, it's choice. Please read my post properly.

Yes, but he has done incredibly well in that respect. And that isn't true, he didn't just buy players. And anyway, I said he buys youth and nurtures them into superstars.

Yes, and in a couple of posts back I did say that my example was not in the last decade

And I do think the inexperience was Wenger's fault, when he was buying the players he surely knew they were inexperience, no? So yes it is his fault.

IMO Wenger didn't deserve to win it. IMO it would be a close battle between SAF & Mourinho.
Arsenal were only really good around 2000-2004 and has not been consistent now really (trophy wise), where as Man U has and they have been winning trophies consistently.

 

[pistolped7]

Yes, and in a couple of posts back I did say that my example was not in the last decade

And I do think the inexperience was Wenger'sfault, when he was buying the players he surely knew they were inexperience, no? So yes it is his fault.

IMO Wenger didn't deserve to win it. IMO it would be a close battle between SAF & Mourinho.
Arsenal were only really good around 2000-2003 and has not been consistent, where as Man U has and they have been winning trophies consistently.

No, it's not his fault! He hasn't accidentally bought inexperienced players, he has bought players who are not experienced at big clubs, nurturing them into big names. Blame doesn't come into it! Do you understand what I mean?

Well, that's fair enough, but I prefer Wenger as a manager, for reasons I have already stated.

 

[Raphael.]

No, it's not his fault! He hasn't accidentally bought inexperienced players, he has bought players who are not experienced at big clubs, nurturing them into big names. Do you understand what I mean?

Well, that's fair enough, but I prefer Wenger as a manager, for reasons I have already stated.

I understand but if he has bought players that are intentionally inexperienced with the view of nurturing them, is it then not his fault if they are inexperienced?

 

[pistolped7]

I understand but if he has bought players that are intentionally inexperienced with the view of nurturing them, is it then not his fault if they are inexperienced?

No, this is my point. He hasn't intentionally bought inexperienced players, but the players he has bought have proven themselves at a lower level, he gives them a chance at a higher level. It usually succeeds, and then he continues the process again. IMO this is a great system as it bring the game a lot more star names that might go unnoticed in lower leagues. Blame doesn't come into it, as it is a process.

 

[Calum]

Arsenal were only really good around 2000-2003 .

oO) We won the league in 2004 won the fa cup in 2005

that not sucess?

 

[Raphael.]

oO) We won the league in 2004 won the fa cup in 2005

that not sucess?

Lol, yeh sorry, but you still get what I mean, good at one period then inconsistent after.

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No, this is my point. He hasn't intentionally bought inexperienced players, but the players he has bought have proven themselves at a lower level, he gives them a chance at a higher level. It usually succeeds, and then he continues the process again. IMO this is a great system as it bring the game a lot more star names that might go unnoticed in lower leagues. Blame doesn't come into it, as it is a process.

If a player is good in the lower leagues, and then comes to the top flight would you not say he is inexperienced.
If he is buying players who have been good at the lower level of course they are gonna be inexperienced in the top flight of course and the manager knows this but he still buys them...so it sorta is his fault, but anyways I'm not gonna drag this on lets just agree to disagree

 

[CtPauley]

Yes, and in a couple of posts back I did say that my example was not in the last decade

And I do think the inexperience was Wenger's fault, when he was buying the players he surely knew they were inexperience, no? So yes it is his fault.

IMO Wenger didn't deserve to win it. IMO it would be a close battle between SAF & Mourinho.
Arsenal were only really good around 2000-2004 and has not been consistent, where as Man U has and they have been winning trophies consistently.

You must be quite young as arsenal have always been in the title race since the beginning of the premier league and always been one of the top teams so if that is not being consistent then I don't know what is.