England not ready yet!
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We were awful, the only players who did anything in my eyes were James, Cole, Barry and Defoe, everyone else was rubbish, Lampard is just ***** for England, Capello needs to show some balls and just drop him
i undertsand some of what you say, but part of it tonight was the formation, it wasnt all on their heads.
look at this:
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the left is how we should have played, the right is how we played (algeria are in white, dont ask why, i just did it that way!)
with the 4-4-2, they always a spare man in midfield and defence, why made it easy to nullify our already shoddy moves and break away easily. a better team playing 3-5-2 would have shredded us tonight.
on the right shows how they would be stretched. we have god passing options trough the midfield, when the full back gets forward the wingback has to commit, which means when the wide players and rooney get forward, the centre backs have to stretch put the front three one on one with the defender, and iback our three to take theirs. also gerrards positions immediately pins back the very central midfielder, as he has to stay with him or leave him in acres of space in the whole, again barry and lampard have just two players to pass around, giving them more time to pick their options
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Rooney needs to be dropped aswell, who cares if hes arguably our best player, hes been ****, you should be in the england team on merit, not reputation, and not taking a NATURALLY left footed winger has bit capello in the ***, Johnson or A Young should have gone
Maybe defoe should be in and it might stop them looking for the easy pass to heskey all the time maybe then they would it get on the floor and play proper football , who knows though so many questions so little answers
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Its a grassroots problem imo. Other nations are taught to get the ball down and play it. Here its lump it forward quick and if you try and play it but make a mistake you get crucified even at under age level.
I may be biased but Paul Scholes would have made a massive difference in the WC. If you have the ball its much harder for the opposition to score (unless Rob Green is doing nets of course
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I may be biased but Paul Scholes would have made a massive difference in the WC. If you have the ball its much harder for the opposition to score (unless Rob Green is doing nets of course
)the system was flawed from the start, doubt young or johnson would have made the difference
I get you totally madsheep i think the formation is wrong myself , for other games id just drop a dm and play one up top behind the strikers
2nite with them playing the 352 formation we were always gonna be outnumbered in midfield and midfield which hurts me to say it because they aren't playing well the midfield is the best part of the team i think the strongest section , what u say is spot on m8 never argued with that point just believe the players no matter what formation wouldnt have performed tonight , they just looked tired , maybe they have over trained for this world cup and its taking a bit out of them , i wonder if capello has been working on a plan b also if he hasnt i cant see us doing anything in this world cup although i said at the start before any games i had a feeling england were gonna under perform due to all these expectations all over the media , leave them alone let them play then have your say and see what happens .
2nite with them playing the 352 formation we were always gonna be outnumbered in midfield and midfield which hurts me to say it because they aren't playing well the midfield is the best part of the team i think the strongest section , what u say is spot on m8 never argued with that point just believe the players no matter what formation wouldnt have performed tonight , they just looked tired , maybe they have over trained for this world cup and its taking a bit out of them , i wonder if capello has been working on a plan b also if he hasnt i cant see us doing anything in this world cup although i said at the start before any games i had a feeling england were gonna under perform due to all these expectations all over the media , leave them alone let them play then have your say and see what happens .
i agree with some of the mental stuff. england need a man-manager coach, someone like redknapp,who is very good at drawing players together. look at argentina, we have all mocked him (myself included) but the players love playing for him and it shows in how they play.
Could be another aspect , maradona has a crazy personality and he is a generally bubbly guy , capello at times seems motionless and just doesn't seem like he would let it go to the players he seems like the kind of guy even though he is grumpy he would just say in a soft voice , that was terrible , the players need someone like fergie to throw some boots at them and kick them up the **** , the warnings were there really against Japan 1st half and other warm up games i could see something wasn't right , if i remember before the croatia game that we won 5 - 1 a lot of the media were nervous expecting the worse and putting the team down , they went out performed and blew a very good side away that night , maybe after the slating later today it will wake them up a bit lol (HOPE SO)
I said it before the game had started I think, that we really needed Barry to play well otherwise we'd struggle to keep the ball. Barry played okay, but sadly not good enough but we cant just look at him for the lack of ability at keeping hold of the ball, so many misplaced passes by Gerrard, Lampard, Lennon, and Rooney a lot aswell. Heskey's passing was okay but he didnt manage to stay on his feet long enough afterwards to do anything else. :S
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I thought England were going to be on fire for the world cup, just like qualifying, but they're even worse now than they were under Sven. I can't believe we're in the situation where the team can't even score against weaker opposition (with all do respect) and now they're on the edge of being out of the tournament.
That's what's confusing me. Capello's not an idiot so why has he gone for the 'comfort' of 4-4-2. Beckenbauer's criticisms were pretty much spot on - England have reverted to type and they're looking darned awful as a result. Question's got to be 'why?'.
Graham Taylor got pulled into speaking his mind tonight on 5Live - now he's a good man and he doesn't put the boot in lightly and it was obvious that he really didn't want to expand on what he meant about things not being 'right' behind the scenes. But he came out with the explanation that England aren't actually training together as a 'team' with things like shadow play and that Capello is currently relying on the players' own ability to pull them through rather than more in-depth preparation.
That's a massive problem if true and would explain the disjointed displays we've seen so far.
I think Capello may have overestimated the 'natural ability' of the team after the qualification went to so well and this team isn't actually able to function as a team (some journos are hinting that there are various players in the squad who don't get on). Is he playing 4-4-2 because he thinks that will help them as they'll have to focus less on the tactical side? Is he playing his best eleven rather than his best team in the hope that their natural ability will mean that the basics will come more easily? Has he underestimated substantially how fragile the confidence of the English team is given the pressure that ludicrously high expectations generates?
It's all most bizarre. Especially given how the Egypt friendly was intended to provide a dress rehearsal for the Algeria game and yet neither Capello nor the players seem to have learned anything from it.
One thought I had is that perhaps it's the lack of pace at centreback which is the problem and Terry and Carra playing so deep out of necessity (plus their equal lack of ability to, erm, let's say pass more than 5 yards accurately) might have meant reverting to something a little more basic. But if that's the issue, why not drop Lampard and put Carrick in to help shield the defence?
Confuzzling to say the least.
Its unbelievable how wasted you are on this forum, Zeb.
this.
on the deep centrebacks, i agree you could play carrick and barry almost as two dmcs, they both have great passing ability, and in gerrard rooney, lennon cole, you have willing runners, might not be pretty but it would be stable
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im not sure why he would think 4-4-2 though, none of the big players, bar rooney occaisonally, play it for their clubs. in fact starting tonigh dont only lennon and heskey consistently play in 4-4-2?
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zonalmarking has just done their article on tonight, and EVERYTHING we've all just been going on about has been mentioned. if we can all see it, surely capello does?
http://www.zonalmarking.net/2010/06/19/england-0-0-algeria-tactics/